Another mafia game Town and Lyncher win!!!

[LSU Tiger Josh]

since no one else has really said much to make me suspicious of them

[Aimless]

The point is, speed lynches are bad for the town. Even if you are right, we need to give Neutrino a chance to defend himself. Since you are convinced, we'll still probably lynch him anyway, but he should be given a chance to roleclaim.

Unless you are scum, and are trying to force a speed lynch down our throats.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

If i wanted a speed lynch i could've had it day one with OID by voting on him instead of holding it off. Like i said his actions to me tell me that he is scum. if he hadn't done that at the beginning than i wouldn't think so, but that was his fatal flaw.

[Aimless]

Then why do you want to lynch Neutrino without giving him a chance to claim?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

because he is going to say the exact same thing he said before on his "explanation" which i see right through. like i said if i'm wrong i'm lynched but it's worth a shot to me since i wouldn't feel right voting on anyone else since i don't feel comfortable with any of them being possible scum

[Aimless]

So what if he says the exact same thing. If he does, we lynch him.

You are looking at this the wrong way. The point of letting someone roleclaim is to keep the town from making mistakes. Here's an example :

Suppose Neutrino claims he's a vanilla townie. That's an unverifiable claim (there are usually many townies), but it also means he's unimportant. The town should go ahead and lynch him, because if the town didn't think he was suspicious he wouldn't be at the point of needing to roleclaim in the first place.

Suppose he claims doctor or cop (or some other important role). First off, if there is a doctor or cop, they can counter-claim and we can lynch Neutrino. If their is no counter-claim, though, then there is a chance Neutrino is telling the truth, in which case lynching him is a big mistake. So, the town lynches whoever they think the second-scummiest player in the game is. If Neutrino is telling the truth, he gets night-killed. If he was lying, then he lives, and we lynch him tomorrow. Either way, this is a better outcome than lynching him ourselves today and letting the mafia get a free kill tonight.

Letting the lynchee roleclaim is always beneficial to the town, because it gives the town more information to work with.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

and of course the person that counter claims it gets scum killed right afterwards. that is stupid to do.

[Aimless]

Wrong.

Trading a townie for a mafia is always a good deal for the town, even if the townie is a power role.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

not when it leaves the rest of the town helpless in figuring out the other scumballs. town would be left with at least one probably 2 scums while if he claims cop then the cop that counters it is dead same thing with healer whom can help keep a townie alive. Anyway you shake it, I disagree with doing a counter claim. As I've said before I'm 99.99999% sure of neutrino being scum from what he's said and to me no matter what comes out of his mouth I'll call bs on. you may think that you may get enough votes on the 2nd most scummiest person in town, but being that no one else to me is suspicious enough to get it, I for one won't change my vote and the only way you might get a lynch is if neut and the other one or two scums also votes for the lynch of an innocent person.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

as i said before i do believe you are a townie and interested in trying to find the scum, but giving scum a chance to trick the town again into a no lynch is goofy for my 2 cents. at worst if you lynch neut which is a townie that is an idiot while at best and most likely you lynch a scum since no one but scum would need to know why a vote at night went a certain way on who was killed unless they specifically voted for someone else and wanted to know if it needed to be unaminous or not

[Aimless]

I'm not asking you to change your vote! I'm just asking everyone else to wait a day or so before they drop the hammer on Neutrino. He's at lynch -1 right now. The deadline is still a ways away. We don't have to kill him immediately.

And, whether or not you think a counter-claim is a good idea, there's still no argument against letting him claim. Even if there is no counter-claim, there are ways to determine if he's lying (although they generally involve waiting a day).

You seem to be reacting as if letting Neutrino off the hook was a fait accompli. I don't see why you're so paranoid about not wanting to give him a chance to defend himself. To me, that paranoia screams "scum."

[LSU Tiger Josh]

if he hadn't asked about the unaminous part of the question then I wouldn't be as nearly suspicious of him since using logic is smart to do but the unaminous part is irrelevent to logic on who is scum or not.

[Aimless]

Tell me - is that the only reason you're suspicious of him, or do you have concrete evidence against him? I won't ask you to say what that evidence is, but I just want to know if you have it.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

b/c i'm not going to be here for 2 days to point out the obvious scum as I'll be leaving to go to Talledega tomorrow evening and won't be back til Sunday night very late. the healer already died the first day and as far as the other goes, he hasn't shown any signs of trying to say if someone is or isn't scum which to me tells me that even if he had a power role he isn't very good at it.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

my concrete evidence is in everything I've said and pointed out that he said and what my gut tells me.

[Aimless]

my concrete evidence is in everything I've said and pointed out that he said and what my gut tells me.

So, I take this to mean no.

Unvote

[LSU Tiger Josh]

take it how you want but my gut tells me that he is SCUM and that you are a townie like I am.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

but like i said I will not change my vote b/c i'm 99.999999999999999% sure of his guilt and if you or the rest of the town wants to keep on letting a scum live it's off my hands as I warned you even knowing that if I'm wrong about it i'm lynched the next day.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

although it would be quite amusing to have the truth staring at you straight in the face and not want to accept it whe it is offered

[Aimless]

Frankly, my gut has been twigging you and Exile as scum since the end of day 1. At the beginning of this day, I was leaning towards Exile, but I'm leaning a lot harder towards you at the moment.

However, you said something earlier which made me believe you had hard evidence against Neutrino (and by hard evidence, I mean role-based). I was willing to go along with it, until you started pressing for a speed lynch. Now, you tell me that all you have is a gut feeling.

If your only evidence is based upon what Neutrino said on day one, then I strongly disagree, and feel the odds are much stronger that you are scum than that he is.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

All I will say to this is if you decide to lynch me the town very well may lose. If I was one to go around tossign factless accusations around at people why would I claim 99.99999999999999999% sure that he is in fact scum while refusing to vote for anyone else because I am unsure about anyone else other than you being a townie. Besides the fact that this will prove to you whether I need to be lynched the next day or not based upon his being the scum that I am stating that he is. As I stated a few minutes ago the healer was killed on night 1 and neut hasn't done anything that a decent cop would have done in this game in regards to claiming anyone was or wasn't scum so he isn't a power role at all.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

as they state in the movie Think McFly Think

[LSU Tiger Josh]

blah it was the movie Back to the Future that had that quote

[Aimless]

Damn it. You keep contradicting yourself. You say that you are 99% sure, but then you say that it's based on a gut feeling.

Fine, I'll trust you, once. If your wrong, I will press for your lynch tomorrow.

Vote: Neutrino

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Fair enough as I said earlier if I'm wrong I deserve to be lynched, but if I'm right then the mayor can give this townie a gold star for using logic and evidence presented on the board of this guilt.