Promotions and Demotions ???

[Mr Changsha]

I believe there is a "slippery slope" in CC for points and rank around the time players reach officer rank, lieutenant 1600 points and starts to cross over to captain. 1800 points, The "slippery slope" comes into play based on the scoring system:

The points to be awarded is calculated as (loser's score / winner's score) * 20, up to a maximum of 100 points from each opponent.

Given that there are far more players above 1000 than there are players below 1000 and far more players above 1200 than there are players below 1200, if opponents are picked at random, the odds are a lower ranked player, say around 1000 or 1200 will end up in most games, 1 v 1 or standard, against higher ranked players and need only a relatively low percentage or wins to rise in points and rank. So a player at private, around 1000, or corporal , around 1200, will probably see the score and rank go up. even though losing most games as they will u
uusally be playing higher ranked players, As the lower ranked advances, there will be a smaller pool of higher ranked players and a growing pool of lower ranked players so there will be a gradual decrease in the amount of points to be gained in a win, whether 1 v 1 or standard, and a need to get a higher percentage of wins to advance, And there will be more points to lose and more opportunity to drop in points and rank. once you are the higher ranked player v lower ranked, you need to win more than 50% of your 1 v 1 to have your score increase, and even winning more than 50% of your games, your score and rank will at times drop.

For rough math, consider a 6 player standard games with two players at about 1000 points,two players about 1400 points and two players about 1600 points. If the 1000 ranked player loses, and the winner is the other 1000 ranker, the loss is 20 points, if the winner is a 1200 ranked player, the loss is only about 18 points and if the winner is a 1600 ranked player the loss is only about 14 points, All numbers are approximate, but let us say on average the lowest ranked player will only lose about 18 points if there is a loss in a standard game with most players being higher ranked..

But if the low ranked player wins, there are 20 points from the other 1000 rankre, , 48 points from the 1200 ranked players and 64 points from the 1600 ranked player- on average let us say 132 points to gain and only 18 to lose . Win 20% of these games and your points and rank skyrocket .. 20 wins out of 100 = 20 X 132, 2640 points gained minus 80 X 18 lost 1440,= net gain about 1200 points. ou are on your way to colonel in 100 games.

BUT as your points and rank increase, toward the 2000 points of a major and 2500 points of a colonel, you have more to lose and less to gain. In that 6 player game , 2 at 1000, 2 at 1200 and 2 at 1600. If you are now one of the 1600 rankers, lose to a 1000 ranker, 32 points to a 1200 ranker about 27 points and to the other 1600 ranker 20. Let us say on average a loss means a loss of 25 points. What is a win worth? - 20 points from the other 1600 ranker, about 30 points from the 1200 rankers and about 25 points form the 1000 rankers- on average let us say 75 points to be won. . Having moved from 1000 points to about 1600 you now need to win about 25 % of your standard games just to stay even- win 1 out of 4 = 255 points gained minus 225 points lost- and you have to win over 50% of your 1 v 1 if you play against those even a few hundred points lower than you.

As a rough guess based on crude math and my own experience, around the time players reach officer rank, lieutenant 1600 points and starts to cross over to captain. 1800 points, the "slippery slope" comes into play and they start sliding. Lose 3 or 4 games in a row to lower ranked can cost you 100 points and your rank, and to climb back up may take you half a dozen or a dozen wins.. And once you have dropped once in rank, say from a captain to a lieutenant, you find yourself still sliding, lose 5 of you next 10 games and you are back to sarge 1st class, ready to try for the heights again. And then to slip again.

There are different strategies to deal wit this slippery slope including avoiding playing people too far below you in rank, playing team games with partners of lower rank than you so your average score is lower, a :farming: seeking lower ranked players you can beat on a map and settings to your choosing, being more selective on the maps and setting you play so you have a better percentage of wins/points gained and increasing the quality of your play.

Good luck !!

Very good post. From personal experience of large standard no cards flat games I found my own breaking point was in the 2600 to 2800 range. An 8 man win was netting me around 50-60 points and a loss taking 40+. Even with a 40%+ win rate on 6-8 man games it was impossible to progress playing sequentially. More importantly, there was no satisfation in the win and teeth-grinding annoyance in the loss.

I dropped my rank back to major in an attempt to make standard fun again, but would creep back over 2500 and face the same issue. So i'd drop it again...it was no way to play.

The happiest standard player is the one who wins these kinds of games 25 to 30% of the time. They'll hover around captain to major and I think get continuous enjoyment from then game.

[JBlombier]

The happiest standard player is the one who wins these kinds of games 25 to 30% of the time. They'll hover around captain to major and I think get continuous enjoyment from then game.

That's what I'm trying to do, with a lot of team games on the side. That's why I'll probably always be about Major rank and that's cool. The moment I went for Brigadier just made me nervous and ultimately I didn't even enjoy my wings that much. I still like my swords, though.

Assuming that the fault is with the site, or cheaters etc is no way to solve your problems. I promise you there is no 'special deal' for anyone. You must accept that before you will even begin to improve. Don't live through your delusions. In actuality the issue is that (more than likely) 1. You aren't paying enough attention to your games and 2. You haven't yet fully understood how to play the game. I know the games seems simple, but it is actually deceptively complicated. If you put your mind to it, read some of the excellent strategy threads - as I did when I joined - and I'm sure you will see your rank improve.

This message should be PM'ed to a lot of people on this site.

Fewnix, that was a very well-written post. A bit long, but I'm glad I read it.

[Dibbun]

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In games of randomness - random always has the most influence and final say but it takes being more than a corporal to realize that..

Did you find your eagle rank insignia in the ground, you know, while you were farming?

Game 11196906 Game 10945489

Wow. 2 games out of 2700. I made both these public games. Diff maps - diff team size. 1 of these games is currently active. Yep. It takes a Corporal to think I'm a farmer.

Here's a game you can help fill dibbun Game 11267403. Be sure to ask the cook for instructions..

Unfoe me and I'd be happy to take you on in a best of 7 1v1 on random maps. But you won't accept, you hide behind your farmed rank.

[jefjef]

Unfoe me and I'd be happy to take you on in a best of 7 1v1 on random maps. But you won't accept, you hide behind your farmed rank.

LMAO!!!!!!!!

Educate yourself before you vomit shit. 99.9% of my games are all public or clan. 98+% of my opponents are functionally literate. I play many many maps of every team size with many many different partners and also use varied settings. My games played list is one of the best examples of non-farming.

As for unfoeing you. I don't think so. I'm not even going to display any more of your posts.

Good bye.

[Dibbun]

Unfoe me and I'd be happy to take you on in a best of 7 1v1 on random maps. But you won't accept, you hide behind your farmed rank.

I refuse to accept your challenge because I fear your abilities

Fixed that for you.

[Darthakian]

I believe there is a "slippery slope" in CC for points and rank around the time players reach officer rank, lieutenant 1600 points and starts to cross over to captain. 1800 points, The "slippery slope" comes into play based on the scoring system:

The points to be awarded is calculated as (loser's score / winner's score) * 20, up to a maximum of 100 points from each opponent.

Given that there are far more players above 1000 than there are players below 1000 and far more players above 1200 than there are players below 1200, if opponents are picked at random, the odds are a lower ranked player, say around 1000 or 1200 will end up in most games, 1 v 1 or standard, against higher ranked players and need only a relatively low percentage or wins to rise in points and rank. So a player at private, around 1000, or corporal , around 1200, will probably see the score and rank go up. even though losing most games as they will u
uusally be playing higher ranked players, As the lower ranked advances, there will be a smaller pool of higher ranked players and a growing pool of lower ranked players so there will be a gradual decrease in the amount of points to be gained in a win, whether 1 v 1 or standard, and a need to get a higher percentage of wins to advance, And there will be more points to lose and more opportunity to drop in points and rank. once you are the higher ranked player v lower ranked, you need to win more than 50% of your 1 v 1 to have your score increase, and even winning more than 50% of your games, your score and rank will at times drop.

For rough math, consider a 6 player standard games with two players at about 1000 points,two players about 1400 points and two players about 1600 points. If the 1000 ranked player loses, and the winner is the other 1000 ranker, the loss is 20 points, if the winner is a 1200 ranked player, the loss is only about 18 points and if the winner is a 1600 ranked player the loss is only about 14 points, All numbers are approximate, but let us say on average the lowest ranked player will only lose about 18 points if there is a loss in a standard game with most players being higher ranked..

But if the low ranked player wins, there are 20 points from the other 1000 rankre, , 48 points from the 1200 ranked players and 64 points from the 1600 ranked player- on average let us say 132 points to gain and only 18 to lose . Win 20% of these games and your points and rank skyrocket .. 20 wins out of 100 = 20 X 132, 2640 points gained minus 80 X 18 lost 1440,= net gain about 1200 points. ou are on your way to colonel in 100 games.

BUT as your points and rank increase, toward the 2000 points of a major and 2500 points of a colonel, you have more to lose and less to gain. In that 6 player game , 2 at 1000, 2 at 1200 and 2 at 1600. If you are now one of the 1600 rankers, lose to a 1000 ranker, 32 points to a 1200 ranker about 27 points and to the other 1600 ranker 20. Let us say on average a loss means a loss of 25 points. What is a win worth? - 20 points from the other 1600 ranker, about 30 points from the 1200 rankers and about 25 points form the 1000 rankers- on average let us say 75 points to be won. . Having moved from 1000 points to about 1600 you now need to win about 25 % of your standard games just to stay even- win 1 out of 4 = 255 points gained minus 225 points lost- and you have to win over 50% of your 1 v 1 if you play against those even a few hundred points lower than you.

As a rough guess based on crude math and my own experience, around the time players reach officer rank, lieutenant 1600 points and starts to cross over to captain. 1800 points, the "slippery slope" comes into play and they start sliding. Lose 3 or 4 games in a row to lower ranked can cost you 100 points and your rank, and to climb back up may take you half a dozen or a dozen wins.. And once you have dropped once in rank, say from a captain to a lieutenant, you find yourself still sliding, lose 5 of you next 10 games and you are back to sarge 1st class, ready to try for the heights again. And then to slip again.

There are different strategies to deal wit this slippery slope including avoiding playing people too far below you in rank, playing team games with partners of lower rank than you so your average score is lower, a :farming: seeking lower ranked players you can beat on a map and settings to your choosing, being more selective on the maps and setting you play so you have a better percentage of wins/points gained and increasing the quality of your play.

Good luck !!

Wow, after reading your post and picking my dummy up of the floor I think you may have a good valid point. It looks to me that the scoring system is let's say not the best and is what is failing so many people in this game.

Looking more into it, I've noticed that most games being initiated are by those of lower ranks. All high ranks hang back and try to join higher ranked games.

Obviously this is because a major doesn't want to play a cook for fearing the points lost and not worth the gamble for the points to be gained.

Maybe the way forward is to close ranks and don't play lower ranked people, but this would change the whole game play. The fairest way surely would be to make all scoring the same no matter what rank you are, that way we are all at the same advantage/disadvantage ?

Great post though mate, you have made me realise some good points.

Cheers

Darthakian.

[chang50]

I believe there is a "slippery slope" in CC for points and rank around the time players reach officer rank, lieutenant 1600 points and starts to cross over to captain. 1800 points, The "slippery slope" comes into play based on the scoring system:

The points to be awarded is calculated as (loser's score / winner's score) * 20, up to a maximum of 100 points from each opponent.

Given that there are far more players above 1000 than there are players below 1000 and far more players above 1200 than there are players below 1200, if opponents are picked at random, the odds are a lower ranked player, say around 1000 or 1200 will end up in most games, 1 v 1 or standard, against higher ranked players and need only a relatively low percentage or wins to rise in points and rank. So a player at private, around 1000, or corporal , around 1200, will probably see the score and rank go up. even though losing most games as they will u
uusally be playing higher ranked players, As the lower ranked advances, there will be a smaller pool of higher ranked players and a growing pool of lower ranked players so there will be a gradual decrease in the amount of points to be gained in a win, whether 1 v 1 or standard, and a need to get a higher percentage of wins to advance, And there will be more points to lose and more opportunity to drop in points and rank. once you are the higher ranked player v lower ranked, you need to win more than 50% of your 1 v 1 to have your score increase, and even winning more than 50% of your games, your score and rank will at times drop.

For rough math, consider a 6 player standard games with two players at about 1000 points,two players about 1400 points and two players about 1600 points. If the 1000 ranked player loses, and the winner is the other 1000 ranker, the loss is 20 points, if the winner is a 1200 ranked player, the loss is only about 18 points and if the winner is a 1600 ranked player the loss is only about 14 points, All numbers are approximate, but let us say on average the lowest ranked player will only lose about 18 points if there is a loss in a standard game with most players being higher ranked..

But if the low ranked player wins, there are 20 points from the other 1000 rankre, , 48 points from the 1200 ranked players and 64 points from the 1600 ranked player- on average let us say 132 points to gain and only 18 to lose . Win 20% of these games and your points and rank skyrocket .. 20 wins out of 100 = 20 X 132, 2640 points gained minus 80 X 18 lost 1440,= net gain about 1200 points. ou are on your way to colonel in 100 games.

BUT as your points and rank increase, toward the 2000 points of a major and 2500 points of a colonel, you have more to lose and less to gain. In that 6 player game , 2 at 1000, 2 at 1200 and 2 at 1600. If you are now one of the 1600 rankers, lose to a 1000 ranker, 32 points to a 1200 ranker about 27 points and to the other 1600 ranker 20. Let us say on average a loss means a loss of 25 points. What is a win worth? - 20 points from the other 1600 ranker, about 30 points from the 1200 rankers and about 25 points form the 1000 rankers- on average let us say 75 points to be won. . Having moved from 1000 points to about 1600 you now need to win about 25 % of your standard games just to stay even- win 1 out of 4 = 255 points gained minus 225 points lost- and you have to win over 50% of your 1 v 1 if you play against those even a few hundred points lower than you.

As a rough guess based on crude math and my own experience, around the time players reach officer rank, lieutenant 1600 points and starts to cross over to captain. 1800 points, the "slippery slope" comes into play and they start sliding. Lose 3 or 4 games in a row to lower ranked can cost you 100 points and your rank, and to climb back up may take you half a dozen or a dozen wins.. And once you have dropped once in rank, say from a captain to a lieutenant, you find yourself still sliding, lose 5 of you next 10 games and you are back to sarge 1st class, ready to try for the heights again. And then to slip again.

There are different strategies to deal wit this slippery slope including avoiding playing people too far below you in rank, playing team games with partners of lower rank than you so your average score is lower, a :farming: seeking lower ranked players you can beat on a map and settings to your choosing, being more selective on the maps and setting you play so you have a better percentage of wins/points gained and increasing the quality of your play.

Good luck !!

Wow, after reading your post and picking my dummy up of the floor I think you may have a good valid point. It looks to me that the scoring system is let's say not the best and is what is failing so many people in this game.

Looking more into it, I've noticed that most games being initiated are by those of lower ranks. All high ranks hang back and try to join higher ranked games.

Obviously this is because a major doesn't want to play a cook for fearing the points lost and not worth the gamble for the points to be gained.

Maybe the way forward is to close ranks and don't play lower ranked people, but this would change the whole game play. The fairest way surely would be to make all scoring the same no matter what rank you are, that way we are all at the same advantage/disadvantage ?

Great post though mate, you have made me realise some good points.

Cheers

Darthakian.

What's fair about the same points for beating a cook and a conqueror,and who would ever want to play against higher ranks if this happened?

[mr. CD]

Darthakian, let me shortly explain why you have been dropping points. Not because you spoke out against CC, but because you have been joining a lot of games (mostly speed games) on either expert settings (fs and trench) or expert maps (I've seen Feudal Epic, Battle for Iraq and more) There is no way you can win that often when not experienced yourself and playing an experienced player.

[Darthakian]

As per Cnang50 comment, the fairness is, it makes everything equal, just because your a higher rank doesnt mean your better than a lower rank. At the end of the day its still all about choice, in that you choose who to play against unless you create a game where anyone can join, but as mentioned earlier the higher ranks dont want to initiate games due to fear of a cook joining and taking greater points to that that a higher rank would gain should they win. Also higher ranks generally play against higher ranks unless they want to farm, lower ranks will always try to play agianst higher ranks as there is more to gain. Hope this clarifys it for you Chang50

[Darthakian]

Darthakian, let me shortly explain why you have been dropping points. Not because you spoke out against CC, but because you have been joining a lot of games (mostly speed games) on either expert settings (fs and trench) or expert maps (I've seen Feudal Epic, Battle for Iraq and more) There is no way you can win that often when not experienced yourself and playing an experienced player.

Fair comment MR.CD, im still learning I guess but I get frustrated with the dice rolls where they should really go in your favour. Still, ive got to get over and carry on

[chang50]

As per Cnang50 comment, the fairness is, it makes everything equal, just because your a higher rank doesnt mean your better than a lower rank. At the end of the day its still all about choice, in that you choose who to play against unless you create a game where anyone can join, but as mentioned earlier the higher ranks dont want to initiate games due to fear of a cook joining and taking greater points to that that a higher rank would gain should they win. Also higher ranks generally play against higher ranks unless they want to farm, lower ranks will always try to play agianst higher ranks as there is more to gain. Hope this clarifys it for you Chang50

I get what you are saying but don't agree,sorry .I think the higher ranks are better players.If I thought this game was mostly chance I would pack it in,there would be no point in playing for me.

[Riskmaster101]

Ive seen many comments and basically the only people who think its random are those you have found a way to break the pattern and get promoted highly, off course they will say its random because its in there interest to say that.

So basically, the top 100 players broke the pattern. How do you think this works, exactly?

Yes the top 100 broke the pattern cheap tricks always win. Dont bring the high ranks into this there not really playing the game.

Cheap tricks my ass. I work hard to keep my rank... grow a brain and get fast. Learn a map and kick some ass. That's all this site is anyway haha

[SaviorShot]

If it was that easy everyone would be doing it

And from the look at risk masters medals he has played the game. A lot more of it then most of us

When u start buying everyone's premium then u can tell us what games to play

[Dibbun]

Darthakian, let me shortly explain why you have been dropping points. Not because you spoke out against CC, but because you have been joining a lot of games (mostly speed games) on either expert settings (fs and trench) or expert maps (I've seen Feudal Epic, Battle for Iraq and more) There is no way you can win that often when not experienced yourself and playing an experienced player.

Since when is feudal epic an expert map?

[AndyDufresne]

Darthakian, let me shortly explain why you have been dropping points. Not because you spoke out against CC, but because you have been joining a lot of games (mostly speed games) on either expert settings (fs and trench) or expert maps (I've seen Feudal Epic, Battle for Iraq and more) There is no way you can win that often when not experienced yourself and playing an experienced player.

Since when is feudal epic an expert map?

Mr. CD might mean that there are players who specialize and become an expert on the Feudal maps? I am not sure.


--Andy

[jefjef]

All high ranks hang back and try to join higher ranked games.

This is certainly a bull shit and inaccurate assessment. 98% of my public games (which are the majority of my games) are created by myself or my team and the vast majority are filled by competent players most of whom bring their regular team with them AND I know I am NOT the only player of high rank that play team 1 public games on a wide variety of maps, varied settings and with a variety of partners...