Anyone who disliked Prometheus is a cunt

[gradybridges]

Like when the surgery machine (which could only do surgery for males despite being owned by Vickers, a female) finished the C-section by stapling Shaw's stomach the f*ck shut. By the way, how the hell was Shaw still walking after that anyways? Not only should she have had massive blood loss, she had shot herself up with three(?) shots of painkillers. She should have been unconscious or completely stoned, and she's doing action hero stuff maybe fifteen minutes later.

The machine was for Weyland but the rest of the points are another example of bull shit.

That and when she walked into the room nobody seemed to care she had blood all over her.

[The Bison King]

didn't realize everyone was going to get sand in their pussies by me saying that "if you didn't like prometheus, you're a cunt". If I recall correctly, there were multiple threads in which _______ was a cunt. I was merely riffing on that.

Oh I don't actually care that you called me a cunt. Had you called me a blood belching canine vagina... well then... then we'd have some actual beef.

The main point that I made, was that the movie was enjoyable, and that rather than being a scrooge about it and my spent money, I'd take what was enjoyable out of it moreso than the things that detracted from it.

I recognize that, and I think that's a respectable mind set to walk into a theater with. Apparently it's Quentin Tarinto's advice that you should never hate a movie, and that even bad movies are there to be enjoyed. Sadly I can't do that, I don't have that off switch. Especially when millions of dollars are being pumped into these projects and no one decides to take a second pass at the script. I can be hyper critical, yes, but I've kind of been trained that way. It's part of what I went to school for, and presumably one day I'll actually have a job in media.

And I don't necessarily agree that it's solely on the movie to provide the suspension of belief. If that were the case, why would anyone ever want to watch a sci-fi, fantasy, alternate history, whatever movie? You go into it knowing that you're not seeing anything that's realistic, therefore you shouldn't expect every single detail of the film to be realistic.

I agree that it falls a little on you to suspend your disbelief with the aliens, and space travel, but it should not fall on you to suspend your disbelief that the characters are actual human beings. That's the writers job, not mine.

Did you really want to add an extra 10 minutes to the movie that showed the background story and rationale for all of these characters going on this mission? How do you know that there are better ways of making money in 2093, in a universe completely made up?

No, I don't want 10 extra minutes but I don't think he needed to add anything to make the characters work. He just needed to write them better, and in some instances it would have been better to take stuff out. Did we really need to get to know the Biologist and Geologist? As an audience we hated those characters, they were down right un-likable and believable. I for one was glad to see them die, not because they deserved it, but because I was just glad they weren't going to be in the movie anymore. If we had seen less of them their death would have probably meant more to us.

(Also how did he get lost? it was his fucking "pup" cave explorers that made the map of the cave?????)

I'll just pose a question to those who have had the opposite opinion of mine: Did every little detail in the Avengers suit your liking? Weren't some of the character flaws in that movie a bit baffling as well? Did you still like that movie? If you didn't, well then I don't really have much else to say, because it's obvious that you have no ability for enjoyment and brain-numbing activity, and you're that much smarter and cooler than me for it.

Avengers was a lot more fun of a movie. It didn't ask to be taken seriously and ponder the meaning of existence like Prometheus did. It was all just ass kicking and quick dialogue. Also the characters were better written. So yes I enjoyed Avengers more.

[whitestazn88]

@gradybridges I'm just going to throw this out there. Ridley Scott = hype, and it should be a good movie, which it was. Alien Prequel? It never was meant to be that. In fact it has clearly stated that it was supposed to be on its own, but only in the universe of Alien. It's like saying that the Hobbit is a prequel to the Lord of the Rings. It's not, but it's in the same universe (although in that case, it's meant to be very similar, whereas Prometheus and Alien are tangentially related).

I'm aware of all of those "questions" that are unanswered or are stupid. Here's my quick response: everything having to do with the 2 guys in the pyramid was fucked up. But all they had to do was scramble the screens/maps/arm "pup" tracking device/etc more, because they were in the middle of a sand/silica storm. For all I know, the map that Janek is looking at when he bones Charlize Theron is inaccurate because they've lost signal, therefore any of the trackers are inaccurately placed. But yes, that could have been improved.

As for the Weyland question? I dunno. Maybe because he hates his daughter or some shit, but they just scrape through that. And maybe because if people knew he was on the ship, then they would/wouldn't have supported the decision to spend a trillion bucks on the mission. I don't really know why it was a secret. Maybe it was a last minute decision on his part instead of dying. A final wish for his "son" to accomplish for him. Again, wouldn't have been a problem if we knew the whole time that he was on the ship, which we kinda did.... but it doesn't ruin the movie by any means.

The engineer going berzerk is odd, but AFAIK, maybe these engineers aren't aware of where the other ships are, since they might have been developing different "f*ck planet up" creatures and wanted to keep them separate by design. Kinda like how one dude with nuclear codes doesn't necessarily know where the bombs are or where the launch device is at all times. And of course there was going to be a chest burster scene in this movie. That was obviously for the fanboys. Directors do that all the time, although they do it more discretely, but what did you expect? A poster of Russel Crowe in Gladiator as Ridley Scott's egotistical homage to himself?

And then you berate me on LOST. I said it's the best show I've seen. Please consider that I know everyone and their mother says that The Wire is the best show ever. Please consider that not everyone has HBO. Or access to AMC when Breaking Bad started, and being too lazy to catch up on it. Or that I've never even heard of Justified.

Plot holes? I have a plot hole for every fucking action movie ever then. Why is it that the protagonist can survive a barrage of thousands of bullets from guns with bottomless clips, but can take out every baddie with a single headshot? Damn, there goes my enjoyment of Rambo, Terminator, Predator, Spiderman, Batman, any Jackie Chan movie, Scarface, etc... AGAIN, you don't go into a movie wanting to hate it because you have the highest expectations.

And I'm not even going to get into you saying the ending of LOST is stupid, because the series ended years ago, and I've already debated plenty of people/friends as to why it was good.

@TBK, I didn't even go out of the movie thinking about the religious implications. I just thought it was a good sci-fi flick with a few stupid characters/decisions/plot holes, but for the most part "really, really good" (probably having a lot to do with the graphics, David, and Charlize being Charlize). And like I said previously about Avengers, we're obviously comparing apples to oranges, but if Ridley Scott had 5 (Iron Man 1&2, the Hulk, Thor, Captain America) movies to introduce every character in Prometheus, I think it would have been better too.

[pancakemix]

Throw me in with the cunts. Sorry, but if it quacks like a duck but smells like a rotting carcass, it's a zombie duck.

-Don't forget: Of those guys who got lost, one of them MADE THE MAPS. And had one on his arm computer.

-Why was Guy Pearce (as Benjamin Button)'s presence kept a secret from the crew? Not to mention that his reveal is so pedestrian as to warrant an "oh." (It's right after the the hilarious crane-game c-section) Not to mention you already knew he wasn't dead (see the "What did he say" scene).

-How did David know the goo was going to make Holloway sick? DID he know? Why'd he do that anyway?

-What was up with the Lawrence of Arabia crap? Like, how was that relevant to the film? It felt totally out of place in a sci-fi movie. (While I'm on the subject, I had a strong suspicion that I was the only person in the theatre who recognized Lawrence of Arabia. And I didn't even know why it was there. That made me sad.)

I'm gonna cut myself off and hand it over to these guys:

Moon is a great example of low budget sci fi.

This. So much.

FASTPOSTED: Your plothole point would be much more relevant if Prometheus was a dumb action movie. It isn't. It's far more pretentious than a film like, say, Battleship for example. Movies like that say: "I don't give a f*ck, EXPLOSIONS". Prometheus put on airs of being philosophical and having complexity. All we got were more questions than were initially asked, which only serve as sequel bait. People only want to see sequels they ask for.

[whitestazn88]

Throw me in with the cunts. Sorry, but if it quacks like a duck but smells like a rotting carcass, it's a zombie duck.

-Don't forget: Of those guys who got lost, one of them MADE THE MAPS. And had one on his arm computer.

-Why was Guy Pearce (as Benjamin Button)'s presence kept a secret from the crew? Not to mention that his reveal is so pedestrian as to warrant an "oh." (It's right after the the hilarious crane-game c-section) Not to mention you already knew he wasn't dead (see the "What did he say" scene).

-How did David know the goo was going to make Holloway sick? DID he know? Why'd he do that anyway?

-What was up with the Lawrence of Arabia crap? Like, how was that relevant to the film? It felt totally out of place in a sci-fi movie. (While I'm on the subject, I had a strong suspicion that I was the only person in the theatre who recognized Lawrence of Arabia. And I didn't even know why it was there. That made me sad.)

I'm gonna cut myself off and hand it over to these guys:

Moon is a great example of low budget sci fi.

This. So much.

FASTPOSTED: Your plothole point would be much more relevant if Prometheus was a dumb action movie. It isn't. It's far more pretentious than a film like, say, Battleship for example. Movies like that say: "I don't give a f*ck, EXPLOSIONS". Prometheus put on airs of being philosophical and having complexity. All we got were more questions than were initially asked, which only serve as sequel bait. People only want to see sequels they ask for.

OK, again, with the 2 guys getting lost. I think it's not uncommon, if you're in a strange land, and your fucking technology goes haywire (eg silica storm), then you can get lost. Please, let's get over this. It really doesn't add or subtract from the plot whether or not they died, got lost, whatever. And while I can agree with the criticism brought up previously, which was "why then even bother giving them lines if they're just gonna act stupid and die", the fact that it was included doesn't really detract from the film. It's rare that a movie only focuses on the 3-4 main characters the whole time. You need to include some random shit here and there. Does anyone complain that "The Thing" has random unimportant characters die because of stupid decisions? It's just 2 dudes that die. It happens all the time.

Again, already spoke about Weyland being on the ship, and yes, I agree that it's known that he's on board since the "what did he say" scene, but there are some stupid fucking people in this world, and sometimes things need to be made cut and dry for them (kinda like how I have to explain all of these things over and over again for you Anti-metheus folk).

David knew that there was something alive in the Vases. He is able to read the Engineers language. Maybe the doorway has something written on it that we aren't aware of. I agree that it kinda made no sense for him to kill Holloway, but he was a dick, and as I stated previously in this thread, there are questions regarding David's emotional intelligence. He acts like a jealous child, wanting the attention, but everyone, even the man who considers him a son, make fun of him for being not human enough. But him being spiteful and wanting revenge says otherwise. I just don't understand why people didn't say this during the Shining: Oh, well there's not really a rationale for Jack to go crazy aside from this ridiculous premise called "the shining". Come the f*ck on.

And I still don't know how this film can be considered more pretentious than any old action movie. This movie is the Ridley Scott and the production company jacking off on everyone because they know Ridley Scott and anything remotely related to Alien is going to make money, and that fanboys and people that like science fiction will want to see. You can't tell me that Avatar isn't the same exact thing. Or when people went crazy because "OMG look what Darren Aronofsky just did! He got Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis to make out!" or when people said "HOLY SHIT INCEPTION!!! OMG BEST MOVIE EVAR!!! NOLAN CAN DO NO WRONG".

Get off y'alls damn high horses and just admit the movie was enjoyable.

*sidenote, that inception quote is directly taken from me. And just because plenty of people have pointed out how that movie actually leaves LOTS of plot holes and uses LOTS of faulty logic, doesn't mean that I no longer enjoy the movie.

[pancakemix]

(kinda like how I have to explain all of these things over and over again for you Anti-metheus folk).

I got fastposted, I left my post how it was. Bite me.

David knew that there was something alive in the Vases. He is able to read the Engineers language. Maybe the doorway has something written on it that we aren't aware of. I agree that it kinda made no sense for him to kill Holloway, but he was a dick, and as I stated previously in this thread, there are questions regarding David's emotional intelligence. He acts like a jealous child, wanting the attention, but everyone, even the man who considers him a son, make fun of him for being not human enough. But him being spiteful and wanting revenge says otherwise. I just don't understand why people didn't say this during the Shining: Oh, well there's not really a rationale for Jack to go crazy aside from this ridiculous premise called "the shining". Come the f*ck on.

Is he spiteful though? Because if he was I'd have thought he'd have been more facetious when Weyland died. Remind me also what Shaw did for him to not want to show her the tentacle baby? Or leave it inside her? See, his motivations aren't clear enough to make those kinds of judgements. He does things of his own accord and explains them to no one while quoting films better than the one he's in.

And I still don't know how this film can be considered more pretentious than any old action movie. This movie is the Ridley Scott and the production company jacking off on everyone because they know Ridley Scott and anything remotely related to Alien is going to make money, and that fanboys and people that like science fiction will want to see. You can't tell me that Avatar isn't the same exact thing. Or when people went crazy because "OMG look what Darren Aronofsky just did! He got Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis to make out!" or when people said "HOLY SHIT INCEPTION!!! OMG BEST MOVIE EVAR!!! NOLAN CAN DO NO WRONG".

Asking questions about life's origins alone makes it more pretentious than the average action film. Drawing parallels to classic films for no apparent reason is pretty pretentious, too. The ad campaign makes it come off as a lot headier than it actually is as well. Check out "TED 2023" and "Happy Birthday David" to see what I mean, though the former makes it more evident.

Get off y'alls damn high horses and just admit the movie was enjoyable.

I'll admit it's got some strong points. Rapace, Elba, and Fassbender all gave great performances, especially Fassbender. The movie is also gorgeous to look at. But with the script as unpolished as it was, there was no saving it.

[The Bison King]

This guy does a pretty good job of nailing it. I suppose if you can ignore all of this you could still enjoy the movie.

[Pedronicus]

I managed to get to see this film last night.

Who in their right minds, on another planet, after finding out the atmosphere is breathable, takes off their helmet?
in 2091, have all copies of the war of the worlds been burnt? the martians were killed by the microscopic things that we have spent millennia building up resistance to?

Also, that C section scene. When ever I'm at the fair and i play the game where you have a 3 pronged crane that picks up teddy bears and shit (that don't move) it always drops them, but in that scene the crane only has 2 spoons but can hold a writhing squid

I enjoyed it, but please, do me a favour and keep your fucking helmets on!

[The Bison King]

Get off y'alls damn high horses and just admit the movie was enjoyable.

I'll get off my high horse when you get off your low horse, and admit that you enjoyed a shitty movie... Actually never mind, because even when you do that it'll still be a shitty movie that I didn't enjoy.

DEAL WITH IT.