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[SirSebstar]

You were swindled. Aluminium doesn't rust.
That's a fake prosthetic foreskin.

Aluminum does rust. Not as quickly as ferrous metals, but it does.

Aluminium does NOT rust.
Aluminum corrodes but it does not rust. Rust refers only to iron and steel corrosion.

Aluminum is actually very prone to corrosion. However, aluminum corrosion is aluminum oxide, a very hard material that actually protects the aluminum from further corrosion. Aluminum oxide corrosion also looks a lot more like aluminum, so it isn't as easy to notice as rusted iron.

When iron corrodes the color changes and it actually expands. This expanding and color change can produce large red flakes that we all know as rust. Unlike aluminum oxide, the expanding and flaking off of rust exposes new metal to further rusting. This why it is so important to provide a barrier so rust doesn't start.

[natty dread]

Aluminum is actually very prone to corrosion. However, aluminum corrosion is aluminum oxide, a very hard material that actually protects the aluminum from further corrosion. Aluminum oxide corrosion also looks a lot more like aluminum, so it isn't as easy to notice as rusted iron.

This is true. Aluminum oxidizes instantly in contact with air, but only the outer layer oxidizes and the oxide layer keeps the air away from the aluminum inside it. Any aluminum that is in contact with air has an outer layer of aluminum oxide.

[keiths31]

I had my son circumsized when he was born. That was over 11 years ago. I did it because I had it done when I was a baby. If I was to have another son today, I wouldn't have it done.

[natty dread]

If I was to have another son today, I wouldn't have it done.

I can dig that, man

[Army of GOD]

I've never actually seen an uncircumcised penis up close, but I've seen it in pornos and such and I like having the tip of mine chopped off. It seems more clean and orderly.

natty's just ascurred because he lives in the forest and he knows that if he wants the tip of his penis cut off they'd have to use an axe.

[nagerous]

I had one when I was 10, it was bloody painful!

I do not think you can have do-overs.

What? I didn't ever have one as a kid, they are less common in the UK.

[saxitoxin]

I've never actually seen an uncircumcised penis up close

Seriously, AOG? Considering all the schlongs you've seen up close I'm surprised you've never seen that kind.

LMAO, J/K AOG!

It seems more clean and orderly.

Anywho, in ol' Saxi's opinion, the body of argument against this cosmetic procedure is of a nature that's more graphic than is appropriate for this forum so ol' Saxi chooses to self-censor his comments and defer this thread to others.

[saxitoxin]

That said, while I'm opposed to the procedure I do believe that - in the few industrial countries left that still perform it (US, Australia), a compromise can at least be reached to limit it to males 6 months and older due to the high risk of accident that occurs when performed immediately after birth. In '05 or '06 the Irish NHS authorized hospitals to perform it for the first time for religious reasons under caveat it occur after that age which mitigates much of the potential for (unintended) disfigurement. Eire also conducted the first assessment into the anecdotal evidence of future personality aggression resulting from neonatal circumcision and required anaesthesia or use of the clamping method which can arrest those problems.

I think this is a transient, but realistic, compromise for a procedure that is at its sunset. Most Australian and US states have outlawed docking the tails of dogs for cosmetic reasons and I'm confident the Australian parliament and US Congress will eventually get around to legislating the same consideration to newborn humans they do to dogs. I hold both of those countries in higher regard than a shithole like Portugal so if the latter doesn't do it I'm confident the former will stop. J/K, Portugal!*



* but not really ... (just kidding!**)

** seriously though, I'm not ... (but I am really!***)

*** not in the least ... (total joshing!****)

**** yeah, right ... (J/K*****)

**** hate Portugal ... (but seriously I don't******)

[Symmetry]

I've never actually seen an uncircumcised penis up close, but I've seen it in pornos and such and I like having the tip of mine chopped off. It seems more clean and orderly.

If you like having the tip of your penis chopped off, you should consider doing it more often.

natty's just ascurred because he lives in the forest and he knows that if he wants the tip of his penis cut off they'd have to use an axe.

Are you complimenting the size and girth of Natty's member? What did they have to use on you? A teeny tiny scalpel? An itty bitty knife?

Real men do it themselves with axes in the heart of an ancient forest, usually after losing a drunken bet to a viking. The foreskin is then preserved and cured for use as a cloak against the harsh European winters.

Doing it to a baby just seems barbaric.

[Army of GOD]

What did they have to use on you?

Yes, we paid to have Mel Gibson to do it too.

[Symmetry]

I've never actually seen an uncircumcised penis up close, but I've seen it in pornos and such and I like having the tip of mine chopped off. It seems more clean and orderly.

If you like having the tip of your penis chopped off, you should consider doing it more often.

natty's just ascurred because he lives in the forest and he knows that if he wants the tip of his penis cut off they'd have to use an axe.

Are you complimenting the size and girth of Natty's member? What did they have to use on you? A teeny tiny scalpel? An itty bitty knife?

Real men do it themselves with axes in the heart of an ancient forest, usually after losing a drunken bet to a viking. The foreskin is then preserved and cured for use as a cloak against the harsh European winters.

Doing it to a baby just seems barbaric.

Yes, we paid to have Mel Gibson to do it too.

Controversial- bringing Mel Gibson into a thread about laws that potentially influence Judaic religious practice.

Uncontroversial- me restoring my post to all its zingy glory.

Undoubted- We can't continue using Mel Gibson for circumcisions. It may have been ok in your day, but now he wields a different weapon, and it bites.

[saxitoxin]

This week the High Court of North Rhine-Westphalia banned infant circumcision in the state as a violation of the Westphalian constitution's Bill of Rights which reads: "All children shall have the right to have their dignity respected as autonomous individuals and to the special protection of the state and society."

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com ... ision.html

[2dimes]

So what is the penalty for breaking this law? How can they justify shutting down the whole industry? Is the mohel union completely impotent in these dark days?

[Army of GOD]

wait, what's the argument against infant circumcision? I don't feel like reading this entire thread (again).

Like I said last year, I prefer to have a circumcised tallywhacker. The extra skin just looks weird. And it's not like I remember my circumcision at all...

[Symmetry]

wait, what's the argument against infant circumcision? I don't feel like reading this entire thread (again).

Like I said last year, I prefer to have a circumcised tallywhacker. The extra skin just looks weird. And it's not like I remember my circumcision at all...

That it's generally an unnecessary surgical cosmetic procedure performed on infants.

If you want one as an adult, go for it. Forcing your kid to undergo cosmetic surgery after birth seems a little wrong.

[2dimes]

I don't understand the people saying you need to let a boy grow up before they get a brit milah. How exactly would that work?

[natty dread]

wait, what's the argument against infant circumcision? I don't feel like reading this entire thread (again).

Like I said last year, I prefer to have a circumcised tallywhacker. The extra skin just looks weird. And it's not like I remember my circumcision at all...

That it's generally an unnecessary surgical cosmetic procedure performed on infants.

If you want one as an adult, go for it. Forcing your kid to undergo cosmetic surgery after birth seems a little wrong.

Exactly.

If there was a religious sect that amputated the middle fingers of babies, it'd be illegal. But somehow it's legal to remove a part of their penis?

Also, recent studies indicate that circumcision can reduce the sensitivity of the penis by as much as 75%.

[nietzsche]

Also, recent studies indicate that circumcision can reduce the sensitivity of the penis by as much as 75%.

If this is true I'm going to be really pissed at my parents.


I wouldn't care if my penis looked ugly like an uncircumcised penis if it had 75% more sensitivity.

[2dimes]

Except sometimes that means it's too sensitive to touch.

[natty dread]

If this is true I'm going to be really pissed at my parents.

Start getting pissed:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... x/abstract

OBJECTIVE

To map the fine-touch pressure thresholds of the adult penis in circumcised and uncircumcised men, and to compare the two populations.
SUBJECTS AND METHODS

Adult male volunteers with no history of penile pathology or diabetes were evaluated with a Semmes-Weinstein monofilament touch-test to map the fine-touch pressure thresholds of the penis. Circumcised and uncircumcised men were compared using mixed models for repeated data, controlling for age, type of underwear worn, time since last ejaculation, ethnicity, country of birth, and level of education.
RESULTS

The glans of the uncircumcised men had significantly lower mean (sem) pressure thresholds than that of the circumcised men, at 0.161 (0.078) g (P = 0.040) when controlled for age, location of measurement, type of underwear worn, and ethnicity. There were significant differences in pressure thresholds by location on the penis (P < 0.001). The most sensitive location on the circumcised penis was the circumcision scar on the ventral surface. Five locations on the uncircumcised penis that are routinely removed at circumcision had lower pressure thresholds than the ventral scar of the circumcised penis.
CONCLUSIONS

The glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The transitional region from the external to the internal prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis. Circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis.

[Haggis_McMutton]

inb4 someone says they're glad they were circumcised because less sensitivity means they can last longer.

[tkr4lf]

I'm glad I was circumcised because less sensitivity means I can last longer.

[Symmetry]

wait, what's the argument against infant circumcision? I don't feel like reading this entire thread (again).

Like I said last year, I prefer to have a circumcised tallywhacker. The extra skin just looks weird. And it's not like I remember my circumcision at all...

That it's generally an unnecessary surgical cosmetic procedure performed on infants.

If you want one as an adult, go for it. Forcing your kid to undergo cosmetic surgery after birth seems a little wrong.

Exactly.

If there was a religious sect that amputated the middle fingers of babies, it'd be illegal. But somehow it's legal to remove a part of their penis?

Also, recent studies indicate that circumcision can reduce the sensitivity of the penis by as much as 75%.

Meh, there are plenty of spurious studies on either side of the debate. Some saying it's medically good, some saying it's medically bad. Most involving sexual activity. Mutilating a baby based on their potential future sex life is a little disturbing.

[Nola_Lifer]

Circumcision decreases the chance of getting aids. It isn't just some religious fad.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Circumcision decreases the chance of getting aids. It isn't just some religious fad.

Even if that's true, you think it makes it ok for someone else to decide which bits of your body you keep and which you don't?