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BigBallinStalin wrote:Symmetry, you seem to be a man interested in ideas, and if I'm not mistaken, you enjoy the art of arguing. Perhaps, you even strive to reach mutual understanding in order to clarify another's position and then make a well-founded criticism of it, but I could be completely mistaken.
Nevertheless, why is Hasnas' article the "daftest bloody thing [you've] read in a long time"?
As a matter of courtesy, please respond here.
Symmetry wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Symmetry, you seem to be a man interested in ideas, and if I'm not mistaken, you enjoy the art of arguing. Perhaps, you even strive to reach mutual understanding in order to clarify another's position and then make a well-founded criticism of it, but I could be completely mistaken.
Nevertheless, why is Hasnas' article the "daftest bloody thing [you've] read in a long time"?
As a matter of courtesy, please respond here.
Look, as a quick heads up, if you're reading an essay that starts with a pop quiz, you're likely likely into magazine territory, kiddo. Then you've got the premise that misunderstands "divine right of kings", and has no idea when and where it applied, but apparently the author thinks it stops at some at some point.
Symmetry wrote:Then something called "rule of law" happened, and that lasted, according to the essay, 100 years (funny how nice round numbers turn up like that in idiot history).
After that nice round number was over, we're over the lies of the rule of law, as demonstrated with a lovely historical narrative from who knows when, through Ghandi, Nixon, and then now.
Yeah dude, some solid thinking.
This is a corporate coup d'etat where the citizen is rendered impotent. It's a disastrous bill. It was written by corporate lobbyists - 2,000 pages of it. It's essentially the equivalent of the bank bailout bill for the pharmaceutical and insurance industries - $400 billion in subsidies. Meanwhile, the Obama administration handed out exemptions so corporations don't have to insure chronically ill children.*
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Phatscotty wrote:Nothing is free. It always has to be paid for by someone else. Just because you vote the government to steal from one person to give to another person does not make it right, and it doesn't matter what bleeding heart reason to come up with.
AndyDufresne wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Nothing is free. It always has to be paid for by someone else. Just because you vote the government to steal from one person to give to another person does not make it right, and it doesn't matter what bleeding heart reason to come up with.
Think of the poor words and letters in this post, that laid down their lives to be paid to Phatscotty from some unknown donor. Godbless.
--Andy
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Neoteny wrote:What if what I want done is to force other people to do things for me. Can I vote for that?
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Phatscotty wrote:You cannot create opportunity or fairness for some while destroying opportunity and fairness for others.
natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
Phatscotty wrote:
Yup, Obama lied all along about the mandate not being a tax all along.
Neoteny wrote:No, since I manage well enough on my own to not require government assistance. I would be interested in hearing some more vague catchphrases that are as vapid as they are misleading. Could you give me more of those? Or do I have to vote to have them taken from you?
Night Strike wrote:Symmetry wrote:Night Strike wrote:Symmetry wrote:The interesting question is what they'll do next. Opposition to the Individual Mandate was kind of a recent thing for Republicans- not so long ago it was widely supported within the party. Will they return to that position, and work bipartisanly to get the law running efficiently, or will they sabotage its effective running at every opportunity and make it more costly?
Only recently did conservatives and libertarians start remaking the Republican party, that's why only recently did the Republican party decide not to support individual mandates. But it does demonstrate why we must continue to remove progressives of all parties from positions of power in the government.
To be fair, the guy running for the Republican Presidency is probably the most famous implementer of the individual mandate system of healthcare prior to Obamacare.
I'm not sure the "conservatives and libertarians" are doing a great job if they're trying to elect one of those old-guard individual mandate supporters to the highest office in the land.
That's why myself and many others did not vote for him in the primaries. But he is the person who was chosen as the nominee, and he will be the person to sign the repeal if we provide him with a conservative super-majority. There's no way Obama will repeal the massive tax increase he has pushed onto the American people, so Romney is the only option available in 2012.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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BigBallinStalin wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:I'm saying when does it bite us in the ass?
An excellent question!
No one really knows when the increasing deficit spending, increasing federal government expenditures, and further hampering regulation will eventually lead to the next recession or massive social unrest.
What is certain is this: the current situation is unsustainable in the long-run.
john9blue wrote:Phatscotty wrote:You cannot create opportunity or fairness for some while destroying opportunity and fairness for others.
i disagree.
taking 1 million dollars from donald trump and giving it to ten poor people will generate much more opportunity and fairness than it destroys.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
Juan_Bottom wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:I'm saying when does it bite us in the ass?
An excellent question!
No one really knows when the increasing deficit spending, increasing federal government expenditures, and further hampering regulation will eventually lead to the next recession or massive social unrest.
What is certain is this: the current situation is unsustainable in the long-run.
One clarification, this bill is already paid for.
Juan_Bottom wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:I'm saying when does it bite us in the ass?
An excellent question!
No one really knows when the increasing deficit spending, increasing federal government expenditures, and further hampering regulation will eventually lead to the next recession or massive social unrest.
What is certain is this: the current situation is unsustainable in the long-run.
One clarification, this bill is already paid for.
GreecePwns wrote:Of course you can, but that is not nearly the same situation. Donald Trump feels less hurt losing $1 million dollars than the person in your example, because Trump has much more than $1 million and wouldn't be losing a big percentage of his money, while the other person would lose literally everything.
And before this becomes a flat tax proponent argument, taking $500,000 from a person with $1 million to his name affects said person less than if you were to take $1 from a person that has $2 to his name.
Phatscotty wrote:We have one more chance to stop this, in November.
Nobunaga wrote:Phatscotty wrote:We have one more chance to stop this, in November.
I won't be holding my breath.
C'mon Phatty, join me in the awakening here. We tried, man, we tried. But the nation is falling apart in spite of it. Join the wave, man. Sign up for all the free stuff you can get and milk the system for all you can. This is America, man - the new America. Screw the founders, the constitution, personal responsibility and all that shite. Just too damned much work.
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