Too many Items Mafia (4/14) Endgame: I Confess

[pershy]

Oh screw it I HAVE to answer now or I'll never sleep!

[pershy]

IN MY OPINION THAT IS A MAYOR SCUMSLIP, HERE'S WHY:
a major scum slip pah! This should be good

Typical - I KNEW that would happen - check in and then get voted.

SO YOU WERE ACTUALLY CONSIDERING FLYING LOW.
No! I was not! That's why I checked in as soon as I could and even warned you guys before that I was busy but would check in as soon as I could. I am usually v vocal and active in mafia (more so as town obviously) and that's what I intend to be this game. I'll prob get lynched though and town'll lose an inquisitive townie. You saying I was considering flying low looks very scummy to me. In lawyer speak that's leading the witness - or in this case the jury. If I had wanted to lie low I would have kept my mouth shut. I wasn't getting any attention and votes were flying all over the place. However I wanted to participate and I STILL wanna participate in the debate that was going on but now I have to do this. Still if it clears me then that's a good result for town.

well, the way i interpret the quote (you 'knew' that would happen, which obviously means that you thought about the consequences before you posted, the only reason one would think about the consequences of not hiding versus hiding is if someone actually has something to hide, hence, you had a motive to fly low, otherwise you wouldn't even consider it, making previous quote totaly invalid). Also, can you point me one constructive post you made before the one i'm currently quoting? also, what debate are you talking about? i can't recall you, or anyone else for that matter leading a serious non-joke case on anyone.

That's an interpretation of yours exactly. No - I posted wanting to be part of the game but at the same time I thought - I hope that doesn't jinx me and town on D1 by speed posting something very shallow and coming back to it later. When I cam back and saw a load of FOSSING and votes I thought "I KNEW IT!" I didn't really know it but it's typical. I always get heat for some reason with the best intentions.

Spent yesterday and this morning catching up.

SINCE WE ALL KNOW CATCHING UP ON 10 PAGES OF JOKES (AND PROBABLY THE FIRST 3 TO 6 PAGES ARE FILLED WITH SIGNUPS AND CONFIRMATIONS ANYWAYS) IS A LOT OF WORK. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE JOKES REALLY MATTER A LOT FOR GAMEPLAY. THE TREAT ONLY RECENTLY GOT SERIOUS, SO DOES IT REALLY TAKE 2 DAYS TO READ UP ON 1 PAGE OF RELEVANT INFO?
No - I was busy for those 2 days - that's why I had to do it in my 10 minute break. Didn't have time to post anything significant either but at least I got up to speed - although I have to go over some of it because I need to read it with more attention.

so you readed up in a 10 minute break, ánd posted 2 times with 10 minutes in between them? implying in itself that you were unhappy about the way the first post made you look, than decided you wanted to add something in an attempt to hide a possible 'mistake' in the first post. you had time to tell us redundant and trivial things that mostly hardly even make sense anyway, yet you didn't have even 20 seconds to voice your opinion on anything serious? funny how you keep saying i'm silencing you from your case, yet you never presented any in the first place. and besides, let's assume you DID have a (solid) case on anyone, wouldn't i just make it worse for both myself ánd whoever i'm 'protecting' if i made such a fuzz about you? think about it, do i look that stupid to you?

No - I posted once and then came back after work and posted again, then went out and posted when I came back and now am posting when I should be sleeping. You call my posts redundant and trivial. Time will tell.
I didn't say you're silencing me.
I have presented a case now. I wanted to go back and look at other cases too but every time I'm on this forum I find myself having to defend myself. That's fine. But yes it's preventing me from looking at the other cases. Still we're on a new tack. I'm ok with that.

lthough I thought people were taking some of the pressure too seriously as we don't know anything yet.

LOOK WHO'S TALKING
What is that supposed to mean? I was saying that I was seeing votes flying all over the place with not much to go on. The joking was great but when it got serious I was thinking woah - how can he be so sure? It's too early to tell. But yeah - I AM taking this seriously...and IGMEOY!!!

what i mean with that is that you're accusing people to take their votes against them too seriously, yet you look like the worst case. in other words, you are saying some people are looking scummy because of their behavior, while you do exactly the same thing but even worse. and btw OMGUS.
No - things have progressed a lot since then. What has happened in the last 2 pages IS more serious than what was said in the joke voting stage.

That's ok we've still got a couple of days and I promise to be active now.

YOU CLAIM TO BE A 'REGULAR' OR AT LEAST HAVE PLAYED ACTIVELY WITH EPI AND DAZZA, SO YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT 2 DAYS IS NOT REALLY PLENTY OF TIME TO START A CASE, PRESSURE SOMEONE, GET INFORMATION OUT, AND POSSIBLY SWITCH A TARGET IN CASE THE INITIAL TARGET ACTUALLY HAS A SOLID DEFENSE.
I am a regular - and I don't agree. It's rarely b4 D3 that we start lynching scum.
so you think a no-lynch and no pressure is a good start for town on day 1, 2 and 3? which will ultimately result in no discussion and an easy time hiding? i never played with you before, so i don't know if you're usually this skilled in the arts of logic, but seriously discussion is always pro-town

NO! PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!!! I prefer a lynch on every day because it gives information. What I meant was that it's rare to lynch scum on D1 and D2.

Will chip in again later with a better analysis of what I think is going on.

LOL, YOU HAVE READ TWO DAYS+ ON INFORMATION THAT IS MOSTLY TRASH AND JOKES, AND YOU STILL DELAY YOUR OPINION, TRYING TO BUY YOURSELF SOME TIME WHILE TIME IS ALLREADY SHORT BY MAKING TWO LENGTHY POSTS, WHICH IN ITSELF IS SCUMMY BECAUSE THAT IMPLIES YOU WERE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE WAY YOU MADE YOURSELF LOOK AFTER THE FIRST POST, AND YOUR INSECURITY MADE YOU POST TWICE, AND EACH OF THE TWO POSTS IS WAY DIFFERENT THAN YOUR INITIAL TWO POSTS. JUDGING ABOUT THE INSECURITY ABOUT HOW YOU COME OVER TO US AFTER THIS SMALL AMOUNT OF PRESSURE MAKE ME THINK YOU'RE REALLY SCUM.
Yawn.

really?
Too ridiculous to answer. I could rebut it but it's just accusatory nonsense. Insecurity? Unhappy with the way I made myself look? There is not a well put together argument here and doesn't deserve a defense

Voting for quiet players is always a very easy option for scum btw.

AGREED, BUT LYNCHING INACTIVES OR AT LEAST FORCING THEM TO PARTICIPATE IS A REQUIREMENT TO FIND MAFIA, OTHERWISE ALL MAFIA HAS TO DO IS NOTHING, LITERALLY. ESPECIALLY EARLY IN THE GAME, WHERE THE GAME CAN GO EITHER WAY AND THERE'S NOT MUCH INFO ON ANYTHING (SO WHAT EXACTLY WERE YOU LOOKING UP ANYWAY, NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED YET ANYWAY), SO INACTIVETY CASES ARE THE BEST THING WE CAN MAKE ON DAY 1. AND EVEN LATER ON, INACTIVENESS IS ALWAYS MORE HURTING TOWN THAN IT HURTS MAFIA.
I said the same thing in the same sentence. You just took part of my sentence and quoted it. I'm sorry but I'm seeing some major scummy behaviour here.

so, that means that if anyone else would be voted for the same reasons i vote for you, you'd agree with the votes?
I don't understand the question or it's relation to my point. My point was - misquoting to arouse suspicion.

ALL IN ALL, THIS IS A VERY SOLID DAY 1 CASE I BELIEVE. YOU BETTER HAVE A GOOD DEFENSE.
Yeah? Well I've got a better one now! And I do have a good defense. Hope you do.

where is it? and i mean both the case and the defense. oh and if i'm your case, than make sure you make it EXTRA good, because OMGUS is usually not received very well around here.
glad to hear it. My defense hasn't come out yet obviously. You're not my case. Are you? I'm confused. Why is Zim getting all in my face when I was FOSing Neb?

I'm glad that a couple of cases have been made as tenuous as they might be and I wanna look into 'em.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON SAID CASES? EVEN IF IT'S JUST A HUNCH OR FIRST IMPRESSION. AFTER DAYS OF THINKING ABOUT IT YOU SURE HAVE SOME OPINION, DON'T YOU?
(P.S. IT'S INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY TODAY)

Well as I say I have to go back. There were a couple of things that stood out...but nothing as much as what I'm seeing now.

you're being quite vague all this time, as if things are buried 50 pages deep and you have to dig your way through all of your notes from previous scenes, night actions and statements. post something specific or don't claim you have any information you don't have. sometimes you say more by saying less, this is such a case. you are trying not to say too much, or so it seems, but the very fact that you are seemingly trying to say as little as you can get away with is a strong indication that you may be trying to hide something.

Wow...that was a lot of shouty caps. But I like it. Zimmah is right, we don't have a whole lot of time left. it is the 28th where I am...leaving 2 days. I did have a small voice nagging me about Pershy, but I ignored it. Zimmah has basically spelled out what I was thinking. I'm buying this line of thinking, so here I go again...

UNVOTE VOTE Pershy

I'm not changing anymore...let's at least get a claim.

OK - Zim is agreeing with Neb. i believe it's the other way around actually Now the way things are going I'll probably be forced to claim. I'm ok with that but to be honest it's not in town's interests if I do on D1. Also there is no case here i believe this is one of the best day 1 cases i have ever seen in fact. it's way up there at least, tell me if i'm wrong. - just a lot of hot air and bandwagoning. I think I'm onto a scummy here so wait, you're asking everyone who agreed with my logic to agree with yours to lynch me without any form of process just because you feel like i may be scummy because i accused you of something pretty solid, while all you have in defense is some very general dodgy lines, and all you have in offense is a 'gut-feeling'? and what do you do when they actually do lynch me and i turn up town, would you claim full responsibility, would you take the 1 for 1? and you really think that even if they do follow you and lynch me and i turn up town, that they'll even bother looking at your claim?- and I wanna lynch him and find out. Get behind me on this. I think I might be right and this will also clear me on D2 if I am. If not then I'm happy to claim - but I think we should look at the facts and go after the scummiest player you do realize that is you, right?. I think that's Neb. And I know what people will say - it's OMGUS etc. It's not. right, so than what makes him so scummy?

I think there is evidence you don't THINK there's evidence, you GATHER evidence and SHOW it. would be funny if anyone could just walk up to court and say well i think there's evidence on his shirt but it may also just be tomato soup. - what he has just said - putting words in my mouth and twisting - fogging basically COUPLED WITH THIS -

Hey guys - sorry had a busy couple of days. Will check in later.

Lol...typical scummy/submariner one liner.

When I first saw this I thought , but now in context I think it's majorly scummy. Neb was trying to find an easy lynch, sewed the seed and then made a BS case. On the contrary I was erring on caution before - that's why I posted the way I did early on. I am usually quite a cautious townie. But I think Neb is an aggressive mafia player. I don't have much to go on, but I think it's better than other cases that have been presented. Get behind me on this. If I'm right then I'll be cleared hopefully on D2 and if not I'll happily face the music.

vote Neb

oh sorry it's caps lock day

VOTE NEB!!!

fastposted by vodean. That was my original point. There wasn't enough of a case against yomiel. That's why I FOSed and was looking at the aggressive players- Now I'm lookin at Neb

Long story short - that was a very defensive rant. I'm not quite sure where it came from. And think Zim does now deserve my finger of suspicion.....Although I would be surprised if scum were playing that badly to gang up on one player and openly defend each other - even to the point of getting confused who was being FOSed in the first place. Let's just say IGMEOY - all of you crazy dudes. Still confused tho What do the rest of you think? Did that seem like some crazy scum slip - "you FOSed him so therefore you are FOSing me and take that!"

[zimmah]

holy freaking crap... Walls of chat... cant tell whats a vote

i did not change my vote in my last post

[pershy]

holy freaking crap... Walls of chat... cant tell whats a vote

i did not change my vote in my last post

and I didn't FOS you in the first place you over defensive person.

[zimmah]

and why exactly did you FOS neb again?

i thought your post was an attempt to defend against my vote/fos on you but apparently is was a case on neb somehow. are you a girl by any chance, cuz i can't follow your way of thinking.

[zimmah]

holy freaking crap... Walls of chat... cant tell whats a vote

i did not change my vote in my last post

and I didn't FOS you in the first place you over defensive person.

fastposted, i'm not defensive, noone presented a case on me. i'm aggressive, i presented a case on you, remember?

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Basically the notes was to do with what I thought to be aggressive scummy behaviour. I haven't shared them yet cause we're on another tack but funnily enough - you're not gonna believe this - you featured /

This post caught my attention as an aggressive post among others. Not FOSSING ya yet - but it did get my attention

Vote Epitaph1 in an attempt to break this crazy chain. He is a dick too and probably scum.

I was just about to get on and vote dazza because I'm a noob and thought this was signups to launder money. But now he's hurt my feelings and I'm only voting for him the entire game.

Thanks for the welcome, vodeon! I've only played in 2 main forum games.

Intersting, either you know dazza will not be killed the entire game (You Scum!)
Or you will stop voting once he's dead, making lynches harder (You Scum!)
unvote vote epitaph

You scum twice??? That's a bit strong. We don't know who's scum yet. That's why I was suspicious of people gunning hard against another. That's why Neb got my attention too when he made that "case"

Ha, well, I had to say it twice, I did say "or", meaning they were two distinct possibilities, that both meant epitaph is scum.

But seriously, do you guys not do joke votes?
I don't see any way you could have interpreted that as serious, I am nearly certain you just came up with that now.
my gut feeling: lied about notes, very good BSer
unvote vote pershy

[Iron Butterfly]

Now we have stuff to work with.

This is the way I see the game.

several of us tried to teach/reason with Yumial with a same od same old result.

Vodean was acting scummy with his bouncing around jokey style that set several radars off.

For the most part the game consisted of Vodean defending himself and Yumiel being Yumiel.

All in all weak day one cases...but then again most usually are.

Neb I have played with before, on several occasions and he seems to be playing his style. He was trying to get somthing to happen so he went after who he has perceived as inactive. He started with Pershy, Pershy responds in his defense, Neb switches to vote Happyfeet, Zimmah tears into Pershy and makes a fairly good day one case. neb switches his vote back to Pershy and now Zimmah and Pershy are going back and forth.

For the moment I am reserving my vote. If Neb really wanted to lay into pershy I do not beleive he would switch attention to Happyfeet. In my eyes Neb is playing to his Meta, at least in my book. Nothing scummy there.

On day one we need at a minimum some claims. Pershy has raised the most eyebrows so far.

Vote pershy

I will add this though. I find it odd that Happyfeet has not responded. If he doesnt he is either AWOL or submarining.

[Iron Butterfly]

LOL sorry my son was being a pain in the ass in the background so I did not "reserve my vote" on Pershy. sorry lost my train of thought.

He is the strongest case so far for pressure but appears to be making a defense.

[spiesr]

funny how you keep saying i'm silencing you from your case, yet you never presented any in the first place. and besides, let's assume you DID have a (solid) case on anyone, wouldn't i just make it worse for both myself ánd whoever i'm 'protecting' if i made such a fuzz about you? think about it, do i look that stupid to you?

Zimmah is basically making a strawman argument here. I don't believe that Pershy, or anyone else, ever really indicated that he thought Zimmah was trying to tie him up by making a case on him so he couldn't make a case a against a scum mat or something.

i believe this is one of the best day 1 cases i have ever seen in fact. it's way up there at least, tell me if i'm wrong.

This is interesting. It seems to me like you are tying to win support for your case by simply saying it is awesome, and in my opinion you aren't really able to back this claim up at all. This case has non-trivial flaws that pershy has pointed out, and which you seem to be completely missing the point of.

[shieldgenerator7]

i joked around for too long, and people thought that was scummy. whatever. building a case on that is scummier than any of the other cases at the time, but i couldnt say so because thats OMGUS, and then i look even scummier. ive got my eyes on spiesr and yomiel. but mostly shield. as i recall, he was the initial leader.

lshicastr, did you not recall that I voted you solely because you counter-claimed me as Mafia Godfather? I didn't start a case on you at all, (even tho my votes still on you) and you think I'm the initial leader. skimmah!

However, I do tend to agree with Slash. Pershy is pulling out some BS and trying to look town by saying things like "Trust me, he's scum, and if he's not, you can lynch me tomorrow." We've been over this in Pokemon Chap 2 between ghostly and Captain Planet, this kind of thing doesn't usually tend to work because Town does not take kindly to it, because there's too big of a chance both days will end in mislynch. It also looks like he's trying to gain town cred, tho I haven't payed with him before so I don't know his meta. But wow, you sure started with a bang, huh prshy?
BTW [b][color=#FF0000]VOTE PERSHY------- actually, not voting until I'm sure I'm not hamering him. VC please

-SG7 ( )

[crazymilkshake5]

Vote count!

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is July 1st.

1.pershy-zim, neb, epit1, /, IB- L-2 1/2 (SG7?)
2.Shieldgenerator7
3.jonty125
4.vodean-spiesr, SG7, yomiel
5.thehippo8
6.zimmah-
7.dazza2008-
8.Iron Butterfly-
9./
10.happyfeet-
11.Yomiel-vodean
12.Epitaph1-dazza, Jonty
13.spiesr-happy, hippo
14.Nebuchadnezer-pershy

[Yomiel]

I'm still here. Just dealing with computer issues. Stupid power outages.>_<

[pershy]

More votes on me argh.
I must be getting close to lynch so here is my soft claim b4 I go to work. I have no items but each night I can find out which item one person has. Figure it could be helpful to town. And it's something that can be verified on subsequent days. Now there's not much time, I hope we can still concentrate on who is truly being scummy. As has been mentioned players are slipping under the radar now and this attention on me is the perfect cover for them.

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That’s a soft claim? It sounded like everything but a name...
It sounds quite plausible anyhow, just to confirm, you don't steal these items do you?
unvote

[pershy]

just to confirm, you don't steal these items do you?
unvote

valid question.
I am not a thief if that's what ur thinking. Although judging by the theme of the game - I'll bet we have one

[Yomiel]

Something that stood out to me trying to read all that-Iron talks about people trying to reason with me and failing. Maybe it's just me, but that never happened, did it? I haven't actually made any real case against anyone.

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Something that stood out to me trying to read all that-Iron talks about people trying to reason with me and failing. Maybe it's just me, but that never happened, did it? I haven't actually made any real case against anyone.

huh, yeah, that is odd, and reading back to page 10, it seems almost as though iron was trying to push you to futher your vote into a full on case against vodean..

I find that suspicious, especially considering he wasn't voting vodean himself, vote IB

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I'm sorry if that wasn't coherent, it's late and I'm hyped up on coffee, feeling a bit jumpy and paranoid at the moment.
I meant to say that the only time anyone made any posts that can be interperated as trying to "reason with" yomiel this game was between pages 9 and 10
Ib on the other hand made this post in question

Now we have stuff to work with.

This is the way I see the game.

several of us tried to teach/reason with Yumial with a same od same old result.
Vodean was acting scummy with his bouncing around jokey style that set several radars off.

For the most part the game consisted of Vodean defending himself and Yumiel being Yumiel.

he tries to showcase vodean and yomiel as the large distractions of the game, on page 9 yomiel and vodean vote each other, putting the later at lynch minus two, IB pushes for elaboration and tries to steer yomiel to make a full case on vodean (the person with the second highest amount of votes), I believe possibly so it would make the OMGUS look stronger, get one of the two lynched and leave the other as a scapegoat.

[zimmah]

funny how you keep saying i'm silencing you from your case, yet you never presented any in the first place. and besides, let's assume you DID have a (solid) case on anyone, wouldn't i just make it worse for both myself ánd whoever i'm 'protecting' if i made such a fuzz about you? think about it, do i look that stupid to you?

Zimmah is basically making a strawman argument here. I don't believe that Pershy, or anyone else, ever really indicated that he thought Zimmah was trying to tie him up by making a case on him so he couldn't make a case a against a scum mat or something.

i believe this is one of the best day 1 cases i have ever seen in fact. it's way up there at least, tell me if i'm wrong.

This is interesting. It seems to me like you are tying to win support for your case by simply saying it is awesome, and in my opinion you aren't really able to back this claim up at all. This case has non-trivial flaws that pershy has pointed out, and which you seem to be completely missing the point of.

in fact he did, on several occasions. i can't blaim you for missing it, but he is ranting about me being foggy and trying to bury his so-called case (presumably on neb, although i didn't see any) more than once.

Figure it could be helpful to town.

so you're neutral? I don't outright disbelieve your claim, as it may be possible, to i do have my doubts about it. Any way, we do have a softclaim that we can actually test, we don't have much time either, so in my opinion, we should look at some others to prevent them flying low or getting away with possible slips, however brief.

IB looks like a good option to me, anyone else has suggestions?

[zimmah]

Who made holiday dedicated to a keyboard part?

no idea, but july 6th 2012 is comic sans day. though i don't think this forum supports font chances.

[Yomiel]

So, are people going to start voting Iron?

[zimmah]

unvote vote iron.

yes.

[Epitaph1]

I don't know the history between IB and Yomiel, but it seems like IB is referring to past events that I just don't get. I don't find IB to be particularly scummy at this point, I think his input on pages 9 and 10 was just trying to cut through the BS going on at that time.

Pershy's claim can be tested and verified in the days ahead. I'm satisfied with that. unvote

Where is happyfeet? vote happyfeet

[Yomiel]

Unvote: Vodean
Vote: Iron Butterfly

Do I have to put it in color? I'm on my 3DS, and it was hard enough bolding it.

And that's a pretty weak excuse you've conveniently provided there, Epi.