rMoney commits felony

[bedub1]

Nobody really gives a F about Bain, just like many don't give a shit about Haliburton anymore. It's a losing talking point

Lol. Let me translate this for everybody:

It's completely true. It's horribly damaging. We have no way to refute it. Hopefully it'll just go away and people will stop talking about it.

[Woodruff]

Should politicians be charged with libel and/or slander when they commit such an act against other politicians or political candidates?

Absolutely. It doesn't make sense to me that they shouldn't be.

[Phatscotty]

At least Romney has private sector experience, experience in the "real world" economy, as well as executive experience in politics (governor).

Oh, and he's not a Socialist...

[GreecePwns]

And Obama is with his socialist forcing you to buy private healthcare, and his socialist bailouts to private institutions and his socialist wars on other socialist countries and his socialist donors doing socialist things like AARP and Aetna.

[Woodruff]

At least Romney has private sector experience, experience in the "real world" economy, as well as executive experience in politics (governor).

So do all of those individual that headed the corporations that needed bailouts...does that actually strike you as a positive quality for a President?

Oh, and he's not a Socialist...

Romney's healthcare program at the state level is very similar to Obama's healthcare program at the Federal level. And yes, I recognize the difference and what it means as far as the Constitution goes, but how can you view one program as socialist and one program as not socialist?

It's amazing to me that you think Obama is a Socialist.

[Phatscotty]

Nobody really gives a F about Bain, just like many don't give a shit about Haliburton anymore. It's a losing talking point

Lol. Let me translate this for everybody:

It's completely true. It's horribly damaging. We have no way to refute it. Hopefully it'll just go away and people will stop talking about it.

What I meant was to look at Haliburton. I know you remember how everybody thought it was the devil, and it was mentioned on the news all the time, and the company is evil and Dick Cheney was granting no-bid contracts to his buddies etc etc. So, did Haliburton go out of business? Did they stop getting no-bid contracts from the federal government? No, Haliburton is sitll there doing exactly what it has always done, but now nobody could give a shit less.

[bedub1]

Nobody really gives a F about Bain, just like many don't give a shit about Haliburton anymore. It's a losing talking point

Lol. Let me translate this for everybody:

It's completely true. It's horribly damaging. We have no way to refute it. Hopefully it'll just go away and people will stop talking about it.

What I meant was to look at Haliburton. I know you remember how everybody thought it was the devil, and it was mentioned on the news all the time, and the company is evil and Dick Cheney was granting no-bid contracts to his buddies etc etc. So, did Haliburton go out of business? Did they stop getting no-bid contracts from the federal government? No, Haliburton is sitll there doing exactly what it has always done, but now nobody could give a shit less.

Nobody gives a shit about Bain Capital. They care about a presidential candidate committing a felony and lying. They care about him shipping jobs overseas.

[Night Strike]

Nobody gives a shit about Bain Capital. They care about a presidential candidate committing a felony and lying. They care about him shipping jobs overseas.

Except Romney hasn't done any of those things. Every single one of those accusations have been debunked by liberal publications.

[Symmetry]

The gist of his big media interviews today is explained thus:

Mitt Romney on Friday night demanded an apology from President Obama for making what he called “reckless” and “absurd” allegations about his record while repeating his insistence that he left Bain Capital in 1999 to run the Olympics.

He then attacked the president personally:

“What kind of a president would have a campaign that says something like that about the nominee of another party?” Mr. Romney asked during a brief interview with CBS News. Earlier, on CNN, Mr. Romney called the accusation of criminal behavior — which came on Thursday from Mr. Obama’s deputy campaign manager — “disgusting” and “demeaning” and said it was destructive to the political process.

“It’s something that I think the president should take responsibility for and stop it,” Mr. Romney said.

This is another lurch downward for Romney in this cycle, I'd say. For a simple reason. We have documentary proof that Romney told the SEC he was CEO of Bain through 2002, and that he drew a salary of more than $100,000 for doing that job. So was he telling the truth on television today when he insisted that “I left any responsibility whatsoever, any effort, any involvement whatsoever in the management of Bain Capital after February of 1999” - or when the company he solely owned filed with the SEC, and when Bain itself called him the CEO in July 1999, and when he testified under oath in 2002 that he was involved in many business and board meetings of Bain companies in the period in question?

To put it more succinctly: how does this statement

[T]here were a number of social trips and business trips that brought me back to Massachusetts, board meetings, Thanksgiving and so forth... [I] remained on the board of the Staples Corporation and Marriott International, the LifeLike Corporation [all Bain companies]

and this excerpt from a press release from Bain in July 1999:

Bain Capital CEO W. Mitt Romney, currently on a part-time leave of absence to head the Salt Lake City Olympic Committee for the 2002 Games said ...

jibe with this one today:

“I left any responsibility whatsoever, any effort, any involvement whatsoever in the management of Bain Capital after February of 1999 ... I went on to run the Olympics for three years I was there full time after that I came back and ran in Massachusetts for governor. I had no role with regards to Bain Capital after February 1999.

and this recent statement from Bain itself, declaring Romney had:

"absolutely no involvement with the management or investment activities of the firm or with any of its portfolio companies."

My italics. He had "no role with regards to" Bain Capital after February 1999 (a very broad statement) - except for being the CEO, and repeatedly returning to Massachusetts for board meetings of Bain-owned companies, which he "attended by telephone if I could not return".

A false SEC filing is a serious offense; to say so is not disgusting. So is potential perjury in 2002 when Romney detailed his continued involvement in Bain-owned enterprises in the period he retained the CEO title and now says he had nothing whatsoever to do with Bain. The SEC filing rules apply to everyone - except, it seems, to Romney, and his well-paid legal and accounting team. They may have so internalized this immunity from any accountability that Romney may indeed genuinely feel disgusted by being called to follow the normal rules, or called out on logical inconsistencies.

I'm getting the feeling that Romney thinks he is above the level of accountability required in a presidential candidate or even in an average ethical businessman. He seems genuinely offended to be directly challenged with facts - which he still won't address or rebut in detail. So he simply huffs and puffs and uses words like "disgusting" for a perfectly valid charge in the big boy world of presidential politics.

This does not seem to me to be like a candidate ready for prime time.

Andrew Sullivan- The Daily Beast

[Night Strike]

Just curious to those liberals who want to keep pushing this "story", considering this was originally published by the Boston Globe (the ones who "broke" it this week) in 2002, why was it never brought up in the primary? We saw Gingrich putting up some extremely harsh and low attacks on Romney during the campaign, but none of this was never mentioned. It would have been plastered everywhere during the primary if there was truth to it.

[Symmetry]

Just curious to those liberals who want to keep pushing this "story", considering this was originally published by the Boston Globe (the ones who "broke" it this week) in 2002, why was it never brought up in the primary? We saw Gingrich putting up some extremely harsh and low attacks on Romney during the campaign, but none of this was never mentioned. It would have been plastered everywhere during the primary if there was truth to it.

Running for President brings a greater degree of scrutiny? Or are you saying that it shouldn't, or doesn't?

[Night Strike]

Just curious to those liberals who want to keep pushing this "story", considering this was originally published by the Boston Globe (the ones who "broke" it this week) in 2002, why was it never brought up in the primary? We saw Gingrich putting up some extremely harsh and low attacks on Romney during the campaign, but none of this was never mentioned. It would have been plastered everywhere during the primary if there was truth to it.

Running for President brings a greater degree of scrutiny? Or are you saying that it shouldn't, or doesn't?

I know you're British yet still like to comment on all things American-politics, but running in the presidential primary IS running for president.

[Symmetry]

Just curious to those liberals who want to keep pushing this "story", considering this was originally published by the Boston Globe (the ones who "broke" it this week) in 2002, why was it never brought up in the primary? We saw Gingrich putting up some extremely harsh and low attacks on Romney during the campaign, but none of this was never mentioned. It would have been plastered everywhere during the primary if there was truth to it.

Running for President brings a greater degree of scrutiny? Or are you saying that it shouldn't, or doesn't?

I know you're British yet still like to comment on all things American-politics, but running in the presidential primary IS running for president.

Lol, like anyone thought Gary Johnson was really in the running for President when he was running in the primary and deserved scrutiny.

Maybe it's just me being British, but I'm pretty sure that even the Repubs didn't consider him a serious candidate worthy of actually taking part in the early debates.

You willing to talk about the Romney stuff now? Or would you like to deflect a bit more until Fox comes on and tells you how to tow the party line.

'cause there's only so often you can say "na-uh", blame Obama, or attack other posters before people notice that you haven't really been addressing the problem with Willard.

[Night Strike]

Just curious to those liberals who want to keep pushing this "story", considering this was originally published by the Boston Globe (the ones who "broke" it this week) in 2002, why was it never brought up in the primary? We saw Gingrich putting up some extremely harsh and low attacks on Romney during the campaign, but none of this was never mentioned. It would have been plastered everywhere during the primary if there was truth to it.

Running for President brings a greater degree of scrutiny? Or are you saying that it shouldn't, or doesn't?

I know you're British yet still like to comment on all things American-politics, but running in the presidential primary IS running for president.

Lol, like anyone thought Gary Johnson was really in the running for President when he was running in the primary and deserved scrutiny.

Some people have no chance yet run to further their personal brand. For the record, Johnson is now running as the libertarian candidate for president.

[Symmetry]

Just curious to those liberals who want to keep pushing this "story", considering this was originally published by the Boston Globe (the ones who "broke" it this week) in 2002, why was it never brought up in the primary? We saw Gingrich putting up some extremely harsh and low attacks on Romney during the campaign, but none of this was never mentioned. It would have been plastered everywhere during the primary if there was truth to it.

Running for President brings a greater degree of scrutiny? Or are you saying that it shouldn't, or doesn't?

I know you're British yet still like to comment on all things American-politics, but running in the presidential primary IS running for president.

Lol, like anyone thought Gary Johnson was really in the running for President when he was running in the primary and deserved scrutiny.

Some people have no chance yet run to further their personal brand. For the record, Johnson is now running as the libertarian candidate for president.

Nobody cares. Stop deflecting.

[Phatscotty]

Romney is demanding an apology from Obama for calling him a felon. Will Obama apologize?

and Bedub why are you pumping Obama lies? What I don't get about this one, even if Romney was with Bain until 2002, wtf does that prove????? I can't believe the Obama campaign can't do any better than this! On the other hand I do not blame him, because it's apparent this kind of complete BS in a non-issue actually does work on a certain amount of people.

[Night Strike]

LOL.....troll hard? I have directly answered everything in this thread, including the actual allegations brought forth by the Obama administration and debunked in both 2002 and January 2012.

[Symmetry]

Romney is demanding an apology from Obama for calling him a felon. Will Obama apologize?

Already addressed-

Here

Do read a bit of the thread, you might be surprised to find some interesting arguments.

[Phatscotty]

Just curious to those liberals who want to keep pushing this "story", considering this was originally published by the Boston Globe (the ones who "broke" it this week) in 2002, why was it never brought up in the primary? We saw Gingrich putting up some extremely harsh and low attacks on Romney during the campaign, but none of this was never mentioned. It would have been plastered everywhere during the primary if there was truth to it.

It doesn't matter anything it's true or not. All that matters is if it works on the clueless.

With Obama, the ends ALWAYS justify the means.

[Symmetry]

ITT, Scotty and NS do their very best to stop anyone talking about Romney.

[Phatscotty]

ITT, Scotty and NS do their very best to stop anyone talking about Romney.

and....a lie is a lie

[Night Strike]

ITT, Scotty and NS do their very best to stop anyone talking about Romney.

You can talk about Romney all you want, just make sure you're dealing in facts. These accusations about Romney breaking the law were debunked in both 2002 and January 2012, way before the Obama campaign decided to trump it up.

[Symmetry]

ITT, Scotty and NS do their very best to stop anyone talking about Romney.

and....a lie is a lie

Thanks for getting back on topic- I agree that Romney clearly lied, and it's kind of frustrating that NS is holding out on accepting that too. It's possible for him to support a candidate who ain't a saint, but like you said,

a lie is a lie.

[Night Strike]

ITT, Scotty and NS do their very best to stop anyone talking about Romney.

and....a lie is a lie

Thanks for getting back on topic- I agree that Romney clearly lied, and it's kind of frustrating that NS is holding out on accepting that too. It's possible for him to support a candidate who ain't a saint, but like you said,

a lie is a lie.

You're delusional.

I clearly posted articles from liberal sources that debunked these accusations. You have yet to rationally disagree with those sources.

[Night Strike]

Speaking of liars though, it appears that Obama may finally start admitting that his Obamacare mandate IS in fact a massive tax: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-describes-individual-mandate-as-a-tax/