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Re: Mormons

Postby daddy1gringo on Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:54 pm

natty dread wrote:But what if in the future when we live in a post-scarcity society, and we can upload education to peoples brains, and then everyone would be too smart to be religious?
...and too humble as well, no doubt.
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Re: Mormons

Postby Lootifer on Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:59 pm

Arguably in a post scarcity society egos would be irrelevant outside of sports and entertainment.
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Re: Mormons

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:28 pm

I got an ant farm. Those motherfuckers didn't grow shit
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Re: Mormons

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:31 pm

natty dread wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
natty dread wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:However, this entire argument, spurned on by natty, is silly because "a world without religion" would be extremely unlikely


y



What benefits do the many religions provide to their adherents, and can such benefits be perfectly substituted by non-religious groups/organizations?


Also, even if science were to somehow answer the most fundamental questions, I doubt everyone would find them satisfying; therefore, they'd still seek substitutes, e.g. religion.


But what if in the future when we live in a post-scarcity society, and we can upload education to peoples brains, and then everyone would be too smart to be religious?


Oh, so assume away the demand for finding a satisfactory answer, even after the "correct" one is discovered? Okay then. Let's just homogenize human preferences!

I mean, sure, that's one way around my questions, but it doesn't really apply to people in the near future as I understand them. Of course, people in the future could be extremely different, or not at all, but at that extremely far point of speculation, I lose interest because it's no longer practical.
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Re: Mormons

Postby natty dread on Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:01 am

What if people in the future all find the opportunity cost of religion waaaaaaay too high?
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Re: Mormons

Postby Woodruff on Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:11 am

john9blue wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:The Crusades are the most overrated thing in history.


except for nirvana


Yeah, that band sucks.
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Re: Mormons

Postby Woodruff on Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:13 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
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Lootifer wrote:Hitler would have a hard time rising to power in 2012 Germany for instance; .

Maybe not in Germany, but a slight change in wording and a lot of the rhetoric in the US can seem not so different from that of Germany at the time.

Except.. its not "dirty jews" its "dirty liberals" that are "ruining society"


This is a ludicrous minimizing of the potency of National Socialism. To say the Republican Party is two steps away from launching a global holocaust is the same kind of rhetoric you're screeching about.


I see.. and where, exactly, did I mention Republicans in the above quoted post?


Uh...that's a pretty Phatscottyish post, right there.
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Re: Mormons

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:22 am

natty dread wrote:What if people in the future all find the opportunity cost of religion waaaaaaay too high?


Since you've been correctly exposed as a bigot in this thread, what steps will you take toward becoming less bigoted?
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Re: Mormons

Postby natty dread on Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:23 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
natty dread wrote:What if people in the future all find the opportunity cost of religion waaaaaaay too high?


Since you've been correctly exposed as a bigot in this thread, what steps will you take toward becoming less bigoted?


Sorry, the opportunity cost for bigotry is waaaaay too high for me, so naturally I can't be a bigot. Economy says so.
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Re: Mormons

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:28 am

natty dread wrote:Seriously, f*ck mormons.

http://www.thetwentyfirstfloor.com/?p=4329

Religion is a disease.


What a bigot. And a hypocrite too!

"YOU"RE A BIGOT, NS!@!! YOU"RE A BIGOT, AOG!!! SEXIST< RACIST< DURR DURR DURR!!"


It's okay, natty. You can at least concede your initial positions, but if not, then we have to assume that you really meant what you said. I guess you really are a bigot.
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Re: Mormons

Postby natty dread on Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:16 am

I'm sorry, I don't understand your post.

Can you explain it in economical terms?
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Re: Mormons

Postby Crazyirishman on Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:10 pm

natty dread wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
natty dread wrote:What if people in the future all find the opportunity cost of religion waaaaaaay too high?


Since you've been correctly exposed as a bigot in this thread, what steps will you take toward becoming less bigoted?


Sorry, the opportunity cost for bigotry is waaaaay too high for me, so naturally I can't be a bigot. Economy says so.


Yes but the Marginal Propensity to be an Asshole (MPTBAA) and the expected ultility maximization of the entertainment value that you gain from bigotry negates the opportunity cost.
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Re: Mormons

Postby natty dread on Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:50 am

Crazyirishman wrote:
natty dread wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
natty dread wrote:What if people in the future all find the opportunity cost of religion waaaaaaay too high?


Since you've been correctly exposed as a bigot in this thread, what steps will you take toward becoming less bigoted?


Sorry, the opportunity cost for bigotry is waaaaay too high for me, so naturally I can't be a bigot. Economy says so.


Yes but the Marginal Propensity to be an Asshole (MPTBAA) and the expected ultility maximization of the entertainment value that you gain from bigotry negates the opportunity cost.


No it doesn't. You forgot to carry the one
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Re: Mormons

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:15 am

Woodruff wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Lootifer wrote:Hitler would have a hard time rising to power in 2012 Germany for instance; .

Maybe not in Germany, but a slight change in wording and a lot of the rhetoric in the US can seem not so different from that of Germany at the time.

Except.. its not "dirty jews" its "dirty liberals" that are "ruining society"


This is a ludicrous minimizing of the potency of National Socialism. To say the Republican Party is two steps away from launching a global holocaust is the same kind of rhetoric you're screeching about.


I see.. and where, exactly, did I mention Republicans in the above quoted post?


Uh...that's a pretty Phatscottyish post, right there.

??
Not sure what you mean by that.
In truth, my comment was about other groups, some of which have decided that the Republican Party is "their" party, but some have also taken the Tea Party and some tak other groups as well.
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Re: Mormons

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:17 am

natty dread wrote:What if people in the future all find the opportunity cost of religion waaaaaaay too high?

Religions is inherent to humanity. You like to pretend, for example, you have none.. but that belief, itself, is a religion.

Now, it is possible we might get away from organized, structural religions. I doubt it, (and honestly don't think it would be a good thing), but it is possible.
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Re: Mormons

Postby natty dread on Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:43 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:
natty dread wrote:What if people in the future all find the opportunity cost of religion waaaaaaay too high?

Religions is inherent to humanity. You like to pretend, for example, you have none.. but that belief, itself, is a religion.

Now, it is possible we might get away from organized, structural religions. I doubt it, (and honestly don't think it would be a good thing), but it is possible.


Redefining words again, are we?
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Re: Mormons

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:38 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Lootifer wrote:Hitler would have a hard time rising to power in 2012 Germany for instance; .

Maybe not in Germany, but a slight change in wording and a lot of the rhetoric in the US can seem not so different from that of Germany at the time.

Except.. its not "dirty jews" its "dirty liberals" that are "ruining society"


This is a ludicrous minimizing of the potency of National Socialism. To say the Republican Party is two steps away from launching a global holocaust is the same kind of rhetoric you're screeching about.


I see.. and where, exactly, did I mention Republicans in the above quoted post?


Uh...that's a pretty Phatscottyish post, right there.


??
Not sure what you mean by that.


It means that while you may not have specifically used the word "Republicans", nobody in the fora had any doubt who you were referring to. So to try to claim that you didn't use that word seems very disengenuous.

PLAYER57832 wrote:In truth, my comment was about other groups, some of which have decided that the Republican Party is "their" party, but some have also taken the Tea Party and some tak other groups as well.


For instance? Again, like Phatscotty, you seem to be trying real hard to be intentionally vague.
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Re: Mormons

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:39 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
natty dread wrote:What if people in the future all find the opportunity cost of religion waaaaaaay too high?


Religions is inherent to humanity. You like to pretend, for example, you have none.. but that belief, itself, is a religion.


That's really a terrible assumption and frankly does the term "religion" a disservice. It makes no sense at all.
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Re: Mormons

Postby john9blue on Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:28 pm

belief in no gods isn't really a religion, it's just a belief. religions are more complex and complete worldviews
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Re: Mormons

Postby Symmetry on Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:38 pm

john9blue wrote:belief in no gods isn't really a religion, it's just a belief. religions are more complex and complete worldviews


If by "more complete", you mean all the gaps are filled in with saying "God can explain that", perhaps.
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Re: Mormons

Postby john9blue on Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:52 pm

Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:belief in no gods isn't really a religion, it's just a belief. religions are more complex and complete worldviews


If by "more complete", you mean all the gaps are filled in with saying "God can explain that", perhaps.


religion does explain things, and many explanations are far more rational than you'd like to believe.

but feel free to keep reducing anything that you disagree with to a ridiculously simplified statement in order to straw-man your way out of any actual debate or critical thought. works for everyone else.
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Re: Mormons

Postby natty dread on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:06 am

john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:belief in no gods isn't really a religion, it's just a belief. religions are more complex and complete worldviews


If by "more complete", you mean all the gaps are filled in with saying "God can explain that", perhaps.


religion does explain things, and many explanations are far more rational than you'd like to believe.

but feel free to keep reducing anything that you disagree with to a ridiculously simplified statement in order to straw-man your way out of any actual debate or critical thought. works for everyone else.


Translation: I cannot argue with that, so I'm just going to bitch and moan about popular fallacies and hope no one will notice
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Re: Mormons

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:08 am

john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:belief in no gods isn't really a religion, it's just a belief. religions are more complex and complete worldviews


If by "more complete", you mean all the gaps are filled in with saying "God can explain that", perhaps.


religion does explain things, and many explanations are far more rational than you'd like to believe.


That's a really strange way to use the term "rational", I must tell you.
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Re: Mormons

Postby Symmetry on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:10 am

john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:belief in no gods isn't really a religion, it's just a belief. religions are more complex and complete worldviews


If by "more complete", you mean all the gaps are filled in with saying "God can explain that", perhaps.


religion does explain things, and many explanations are far more rational than you'd like to believe.

but feel free to keep reducing anything that you disagree with to a ridiculously simplified statement in order to straw-man your way out of any actual debate or critical thought. works for everyone else.


I sort of feel that you didn't apply any degree of critical thought to your post, and were attacking a straw man. Have you ever thought that it might be a little bit odd that "a ridiculously simplified statement i order to staw-man your way out of any debate or critical thought" seems to be something that "works for everyone else".

Dude, you ain't the Messiah, beyond everyone else, much as you seem to hold your own peculiar claim to the mysteries of life, the universe, and everything.
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Re: Mormons

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:07 am

Woodruff wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:belief in no gods isn't really a religion, it's just a belief. religions are more complex and complete worldviews


If by "more complete", you mean all the gaps are filled in with saying "God can explain that", perhaps.


religion does explain things, and many explanations are far more rational than you'd like to believe.


That's a really strange way to use the term "rational", I must tell you.


In john's defense, a more general definition of "rational" is choosing the means which attains one's ends. Irrational would be continually choosing a means which fails to attain one's ends.

Other than that, I got nothing left for john.
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