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Btw, the "way-back machine" is pretty cool even now. Can you image what it'll be like to go through internet archives from 50+ years ago.BigBallinStalin wrote:"Look at these barbarians. They had to type and point-and-click to navigate through CC, (a.k.a. Cyber Consciousness, or to use the archaic term, the Internet). Today, we navigate with NervDat (some futuristic Plug and Play hardware that connects the brain to a computer). Those poor, poor moles (formerly know as, "the victims of carpal tunnel syndrome," but they appear to apply this term to all barbaric Internet users)."
The future will be full of jerks. Calling us barbarians and moles.I hope I can live to 200, so I can bitch at them in my old man's voice.
toilets ?Army of GOD wrote:I would say pretty much everything...fashion, social values, economics, technology, etc.
I mean, think back to the year 1900. What's stayed the same since then?
I'm sure death will still be relatively common, even if aging is cured.TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Death and aging (hopefully).
-TG
I'm way ahead of the curve on this one.jonesthecurl wrote:As will the idea of ironing clothes. Who wants flat clothes? Flat people?

Yeah it used to be my unfavorite chore. So we just stopped, about two years ago. If anyone needs a particular piece of clothing ironed for a particular reason, that happens. Otherwise, no - and so far I am unable to detect any "down" side to it.Haggis_McMutton wrote:I'm way ahead of the curve on this one.jonesthecurl wrote:As will the idea of ironing clothes. Who wants flat clothes? Flat people?

Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
If you sincerely care about that kind of subject matter, then you'd enjoy Tyler Cowen's Creative Destruction: How Globalization Is Changing the World's CulturesUpgrayedd wrote:Multiculturalism.
If leftists were smart and not retarded they'd realise that the trend over the past thousands of years has been a homogenizing of cultures. As technology grows, distances vanish and invariably one culture begins to spread, dominating all others. Today this culture is Westernism - characterized by it's value of material wealth, leftism and rejection of higher ideals.
Book description makes author sound clueless.BigBallinStalin wrote:If you sincerely care about that kind of subject matter, then you'd enjoy Tyler Cowen's Creative Destruction: How Globalization Is Changing the World's CulturesUpgrayedd wrote:Multiculturalism.
If leftists were smart and not retarded they'd realise that the trend over the past thousands of years has been a homogenizing of cultures. As technology grows, distances vanish and invariably one culture begins to spread, dominating all others. Today this culture is Westernism - characterized by it's value of material wealth, leftism and rejection of higher ideals.
(pm me for details).
So music becomes more vibrant when based on Western music theory? Indian handweaving more vibrant when done in sweatshops (and not by hand)?Scrutinizing such manifestations of "indigenous" culture as the steel band ensembles of Trinidad, Indian handweaving, and music from Zaire, Cowen finds that they are more vibrant than ever
saxitoxin wrote:Your position is more complex than the federal tax code. As soon as I think I understand it, I find another index of cross-references, exceptions and amendments I have to apply.
Timminz wrote:Yo mama is so classless, she could be a Marxist utopia.
Well, if you're willing to base your assumptions on a paragraph summarizing 190 pages, then what does that say about you?Upgrayedd wrote:Book description makes author sound clueless.BigBallinStalin wrote:If you sincerely care about that kind of subject matter, then you'd enjoy Tyler Cowen's Creative Destruction: How Globalization Is Changing the World's CulturesUpgrayedd wrote:Multiculturalism.
If leftists were smart and not retarded they'd realise that the trend over the past thousands of years has been a homogenizing of cultures. As technology grows, distances vanish and invariably one culture begins to spread, dominating all others. Today this culture is Westernism - characterized by it's value of material wealth, leftism and rejection of higher ideals.
(pm me for details).
Example:So music becomes more vibrant when based on Western music theory? Indian handweaving more vibrant when done in sweatshops (and not by hand)?Scrutinizing such manifestations of "indigenous" culture as the steel band ensembles of Trinidad, Indian handweaving, and music from Zaire, Cowen finds that they are more vibrant than ever
He's a typical Westerner looking at things through Disney goggles. As long as he gets to have fondue parties with his limp wristed, all white, "cosmopolitan" friends the world is the most vibrant culturally alive place of all time... so he claims. Best way to know the truth about something is to take the opposite stance of a leftist.
You chastise me for making assumptions after reading the introduction? What do you think the introduction is there for?BigBallinStalin wrote:Well, if you're willing to base your assumptions on a paragraph summarizing 190 pages, then what does that say about you?Upgrayedd wrote:Book description makes author sound clueless.BigBallinStalin wrote:If you sincerely care about that kind of subject matter, then you'd enjoy Tyler Cowen's Creative Destruction: How Globalization Is Changing the World's CulturesUpgrayedd wrote:Multiculturalism.
If leftists were smart and not retarded they'd realise that the trend over the past thousands of years has been a homogenizing of cultures. As technology grows, distances vanish and invariably one culture begins to spread, dominating all others. Today this culture is Westernism - characterized by it's value of material wealth, leftism and rejection of higher ideals.
(pm me for details).
Example:So music becomes more vibrant when based on Western music theory? Indian handweaving more vibrant when done in sweatshops (and not by hand)?Scrutinizing such manifestations of "indigenous" culture as the steel band ensembles of Trinidad, Indian handweaving, and music from Zaire, Cowen finds that they are more vibrant than ever
He's a typical Westerner looking at things through Disney goggles. As long as he gets to have fondue parties with his limp wristed, all white, "cosmopolitan" friends the world is the most vibrant culturally alive place of all time... so he claims. Best way to know the truth about something is to take the opposite stance of a leftist.
He talks about cross-cultural exchange, which when introduced in many places, it produces changed forms of music or even new music--like the steel band ensembles of Trinidad and music from Zaire. It's not just Western music theory, which IIRC he doesn't even mention. It's about the development of markets and seemingly unrelated markets across countries which stimulates change and new forms of cultural products.
The steel drums of Trinidad didn't grow out of the ground; it come from petroleum companies, whose metal barrels were re-purporsed for making music. Zaire music, which developed alongside the introduction of new instruments from the West or Middle East, expanded greatly beyond Zaire, and into other cultures, which took it and changed it. This happens through trade, whether it's trade in ideas, instruments, theories, or whatever.
You wouldn't even have reggae and dub if Jamaica existed in autarky.
Indian handweaving expanded with an increase in trade with European and Middle Eastern markets--before it wasn't much, and without trade, we'd never know about Indian handweaving and what India would have to offer us. When machines replaced manual labor, it didn't replace all of handweaving (which some neglect to mention). It expanded greatly in the low-quality markets and fared poorly in the higher quality markets. This enabled developers to seek a comparative advantage in development of higher quality products. When the machines outsourced the production process for most basic parts of production (making wool, yarn, etc.), this left more time for handweavers to increase quality or produce higher quality goods because they didn't have to spend countless hours producing basic materials. New dyes were also introduced through trade. Without the trade, they would be left with the same range of colors (or lack of colors). The fact is that all this trade developed the handweaving industry, increased quality, and enabled many people around the world to enjoy these products--contrary to other opinions.
If you want to read the book, see the index, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
this is the only thing in the thread so far that i am confident will NOT change in 100 yearsnotyou2 wrote:Persecution of minorities whether they are visible or invisible minorities.
natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
Heyyy! Now at least you're admitting that you're previous claims have lost serious traction by now shifting to completely different topics. I'll take what I can!Upgrayedd wrote:You chastise me for making assumptions after reading the introduction? What do you think the introduction is there for?BigBallinStalin wrote:Well, if you're willing to base your assumptions on a paragraph summarizing 190 pages, then what does that say about you?Upgrayedd wrote:Book description makes author sound clueless.BigBallinStalin wrote:If you sincerely care about that kind of subject matter, then you'd enjoy Tyler Cowen's Creative Destruction: How Globalization Is Changing the World's CulturesUpgrayedd wrote:Multiculturalism.
If leftists were smart and not retarded they'd realise that the trend over the past thousands of years has been a homogenizing of cultures. As technology grows, distances vanish and invariably one culture begins to spread, dominating all others. Today this culture is Westernism - characterized by it's value of material wealth, leftism and rejection of higher ideals.
(pm me for details).
Example:So music becomes more vibrant when based on Western music theory? Indian handweaving more vibrant when done in sweatshops (and not by hand)?Scrutinizing such manifestations of "indigenous" culture as the steel band ensembles of Trinidad, Indian handweaving, and music from Zaire, Cowen finds that they are more vibrant than ever
He's a typical Westerner looking at things through Disney goggles. As long as he gets to have fondue parties with his limp wristed, all white, "cosmopolitan" friends the world is the most vibrant culturally alive place of all time... so he claims. Best way to know the truth about something is to take the opposite stance of a leftist.
He talks about cross-cultural exchange, which when introduced in many places, it produces changed forms of music or even new music--like the steel band ensembles of Trinidad and music from Zaire. It's not just Western music theory, which IIRC he doesn't even mention. It's about the development of markets and seemingly unrelated markets across countries which stimulates change and new forms of cultural products.
The steel drums of Trinidad didn't grow out of the ground; it come from petroleum companies, whose metal barrels were re-purporsed for making music. Zaire music, which developed alongside the introduction of new instruments from the West or Middle East, expanded greatly beyond Zaire, and into other cultures, which took it and changed it. This happens through trade, whether it's trade in ideas, instruments, theories, or whatever.
You wouldn't even have reggae and dub if Jamaica existed in autarky.
Indian handweaving expanded with an increase in trade with European and Middle Eastern markets--before it wasn't much, and without trade, we'd never know about Indian handweaving and what India would have to offer us. When machines replaced manual labor, it didn't replace all of handweaving (which some neglect to mention). It expanded greatly in the low-quality markets and fared poorly in the higher quality markets. This enabled developers to seek a comparative advantage in development of higher quality products. When the machines outsourced the production process for most basic parts of production (making wool, yarn, etc.), this left more time for handweavers to increase quality or produce higher quality goods because they didn't have to spend countless hours producing basic materials. New dyes were also introduced through trade. Without the trade, they would be left with the same range of colors (or lack of colors). The fact is that all this trade developed the handweaving industry, increased quality, and enabled many people around the world to enjoy these products--contrary to other opinions.
If you want to read the book, see the index, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
And listen: using oil drums as makeshift instruments isn't a significant aspect of culture. If you want significant cultural differences look at ancient Greece - you have Athens a state dedicated to trade and democracy, Sparta a state dedicated to brutality and physical prowess, Thebes a state dedicated to spiritual fulfilment, and more. These pathetic little "cultural exchanges" in today's world pale in comparison to what took place thousands of years ago, even in such a small region as Greece.
Whoa, settle down there, tough guy!Upgrayedd wrote:The author of that book ......
.
If you wish to challenge yourself, you can have a gander at his sources, which say otherwise. I'll just take your opinions as entertaining tidbits until then.Upgrayedd wrote:As for Indian handweaving, you are completely wrong about everything you said.
My claim was that multiculturalism has declined over the past thousands of years due to advancement in communication technology. Ancient Greece was far more isolated and it's means of communication far more primitive than any country in today's world, and yet it produced some of the most diverse and enduring cultural legacies the world has ever known. So contrary to what you think it actually supports my notion and defeats yours.BigBallinStalin wrote:Heyyy! Now at least you're admitting that you're previous claims have lost serious traction by now shifting to completely different topics. I'll take what I can!Upgrayedd wrote:You chastise me for making assumptions after reading the introduction? What do you think the introduction is there for?BigBallinStalin wrote:Well, if you're willing to base your assumptions on a paragraph summarizing 190 pages, then what does that say about you?Upgrayedd wrote:Book description makes author sound clueless.BigBallinStalin wrote:If you sincerely care about that kind of subject matter, then you'd enjoy Tyler Cowen's Creative Destruction: How Globalization Is Changing the World's CulturesUpgrayedd wrote:Multiculturalism.
If leftists were smart and not retarded they'd realise that the trend over the past thousands of years has been a homogenizing of cultures. As technology grows, distances vanish and invariably one culture begins to spread, dominating all others. Today this culture is Westernism - characterized by it's value of material wealth, leftism and rejection of higher ideals.
(pm me for details).
Example:So music becomes more vibrant when based on Western music theory? Indian handweaving more vibrant when done in sweatshops (and not by hand)?Scrutinizing such manifestations of "indigenous" culture as the steel band ensembles of Trinidad, Indian handweaving, and music from Zaire, Cowen finds that they are more vibrant than ever
He's a typical Westerner looking at things through Disney goggles. As long as he gets to have fondue parties with his limp wristed, all white, "cosmopolitan" friends the world is the most vibrant culturally alive place of all time... so he claims. Best way to know the truth about something is to take the opposite stance of a leftist.
He talks about cross-cultural exchange, which when introduced in many places, it produces changed forms of music or even new music--like the steel band ensembles of Trinidad and music from Zaire. It's not just Western music theory, which IIRC he doesn't even mention. It's about the development of markets and seemingly unrelated markets across countries which stimulates change and new forms of cultural products.
The steel drums of Trinidad didn't grow out of the ground; it come from petroleum companies, whose metal barrels were re-purporsed for making music. Zaire music, which developed alongside the introduction of new instruments from the West or Middle East, expanded greatly beyond Zaire, and into other cultures, which took it and changed it. This happens through trade, whether it's trade in ideas, instruments, theories, or whatever.
You wouldn't even have reggae and dub if Jamaica existed in autarky.
Indian handweaving expanded with an increase in trade with European and Middle Eastern markets--before it wasn't much, and without trade, we'd never know about Indian handweaving and what India would have to offer us. When machines replaced manual labor, it didn't replace all of handweaving (which some neglect to mention). It expanded greatly in the low-quality markets and fared poorly in the higher quality markets. This enabled developers to seek a comparative advantage in development of higher quality products. When the machines outsourced the production process for most basic parts of production (making wool, yarn, etc.), this left more time for handweavers to increase quality or produce higher quality goods because they didn't have to spend countless hours producing basic materials. New dyes were also introduced through trade. Without the trade, they would be left with the same range of colors (or lack of colors). The fact is that all this trade developed the handweaving industry, increased quality, and enabled many people around the world to enjoy these products--contrary to other opinions.
If you want to read the book, see the index, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
And listen: using oil drums as makeshift instruments isn't a significant aspect of culture. If you want significant cultural differences look at ancient Greece - you have Athens a state dedicated to trade and democracy, Sparta a state dedicated to brutality and physical prowess, Thebes a state dedicated to spiritual fulfilment, and more. These pathetic little "cultural exchanges" in today's world pale in comparison to what took place thousands of years ago, even in such a small region as Greece.
But you're right to mention another example of cross-cultural exchange: the ancients civs around the Mediterranean! Darn that globalization and all that trade with its classical philosophy, epic stories, and other great pieces of literature!
re: underlined. It depends on how you wish to measure the significance of value of these cross-cultural exchanges. For some, "reggae is totes more awesome than stuff written by old stuffy Greek guys, banging at away at the butts of little slave boys."
Whoa, settle down there, tough guy!Upgrayedd wrote:The author of that book ......
.
If you wish to challenge yourself, you can have a gander at his sources, which say otherwise. I'll just take your opinions as entertaining tidbits until then.Upgrayedd wrote:As for Indian handweaving, you are completely wrong about everything you said.