rMoney commits felony

[Juan_Bottom]

Reid is sticking by his comment.

Rumor has it that the leak could be inside of the Church.

Awesome if true.

[kentington]

This is now the 2nd claim of an outright crime being committed by Romney, and both have been roundly refuted as being completely unfounded (timeline at Bain) or completely made-up (Harry Reid's comments). They're just trying to throw out all this made-up trash to completely distract from every policy that Obama enacted but doesn't want to run on.

No, this hasn't been roundly refuted as being completely made-up. There has been no proof either way. It's still unknown. If Romney released his returns, and show that he has been paying taxes, that would be refuting it and proving it's made up. Just say "Not so" doesn't prove a fucking thing.

God damn you surprise me. Open your mind and think.

Do you think Obama should show his birth certificate, taxes, and college records that have all been questioned?

I think they both should. They want to run our country they don't really get any privacy from the past. Unfortunate as that may seem it is to protect the people and it would help ensure you don't have as many problems.

[bedub1]

This is now the 2nd claim of an outright crime being committed by Romney, and both have been roundly refuted as being completely unfounded (timeline at Bain) or completely made-up (Harry Reid's comments). They're just trying to throw out all this made-up trash to completely distract from every policy that Obama enacted but doesn't want to run on.

No, this hasn't been roundly refuted as being completely made-up. There has been no proof either way. It's still unknown. If Romney released his returns, and show that he has been paying taxes, that would be refuting it and proving it's made up. Just say "Not so" doesn't prove a fucking thing.

God damn you surprise me. Open your mind and think.

Do you think Obama should show his birth certificate, taxes, and college records that have all been questioned?

I think they both should. They want to run our country they don't really get any privacy from the past. Unfortunate as that may seem it is to protect the people and it would help ensure you don't have as many problems.

Yes I do. We call this portion "Discovery".

[kentington]

This is now the 2nd claim of an outright crime being committed by Romney, and both have been roundly refuted as being completely unfounded (timeline at Bain) or completely made-up (Harry Reid's comments). They're just trying to throw out all this made-up trash to completely distract from every policy that Obama enacted but doesn't want to run on.

No, this hasn't been roundly refuted as being completely made-up. There has been no proof either way. It's still unknown. If Romney released his returns, and show that he has been paying taxes, that would be refuting it and proving it's made up. Just say "Not so" doesn't prove a fucking thing.

God damn you surprise me. Open your mind and think.

Do you think Obama should show his birth certificate, taxes, and college records that have all been questioned?

I think they both should. They want to run our country they don't really get any privacy from the past. Unfortunate as that may seem it is to protect the people and it would help ensure you don't have as many problems.

Yes I do. We call this portion "Discovery".

Awesome. I can't stand it when it someone says to require something from one person and not the other. Just because they may find one more trustworthy than the other.

[Symmetry]

This is now the 2nd claim of an outright crime being committed by Romney, and both have been roundly refuted as being completely unfounded (timeline at Bain) or completely made-up (Harry Reid's comments). They're just trying to throw out all this made-up trash to completely distract from every policy that Obama enacted but doesn't want to run on.

No, this hasn't been roundly refuted as being completely made-up. There has been no proof either way. It's still unknown. If Romney released his returns, and show that he has been paying taxes, that would be refuting it and proving it's made up. Just say "Not so" doesn't prove a fucking thing.

God damn you surprise me. Open your mind and think.

Do you think Obama should show his birth certificate, taxes, and college records that have all been questioned?

I think they both should. They want to run our country they don't really get any privacy from the past. Unfortunate as that may seem it is to protect the people and it would help ensure you don't have as many problems.

Given that Obama showed his birth certifcate, and tax records while running for president, why do you think he hasn't done so?

[patrickaa317]

PUT UP OR SHUT UP



Refuses to release tax returns.

And I assume you were this active trying to get Obama's birth certificate as well?

[Juan_Bottom]

Yeah it was a long time ago so I can understand no one remembering, but I got all the credit for the birther threads when the MODs merged them. That's because I was first in calling for his Birth Certificate.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=78747

[patrickaa317]

Yeah it was a long time ago so I can understand no one remembering, but I got all the credit for the birther threads when the MODs merged them. That's because I was first in calling for his Birth Certificate.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=78747

Awesome. Glad to see the consistency. And I don't even think i was a member on the site when you posted that!

[Night Strike]

This is now the 2nd claim of an outright crime being committed by Romney, and both have been roundly refuted as being completely unfounded (timeline at Bain) or completely made-up (Harry Reid's comments). They're just trying to throw out all this made-up trash to completely distract from every policy that Obama enacted but doesn't want to run on.

No, this hasn't been roundly refuted as being completely made-up. There has been no proof either way. It's still unknown. If Romney released his returns, and show that he has been paying taxes, that would be refuting it and proving it's made up. Just say "Not so" doesn't prove a fucking thing.

God damn you surprise me. Open your mind and think.

If Romney had committed a crime, the IRS would have already known about it and already arrested him for it. You don't skip paying taxes for 10 years as a public figure with 6 years of that running for president without the IRS being aware of it. This is all just a ploy to force Romney to release tax returns while both he and the public should come out and forcefully reject this constant notion of being guilty until proven innocent. This mentality is sending our country down a dangerous road. If someone has an accusation against another person, prove the accusation before demanding the accused respond to it.

[Woodruff]

Ok, I'm already on record as saying I don't buy this one. But if Romney is saying "put up or shut up"...what exactly is he expect Reid to put up? Does he believe that Reid has access to Romney's tax returns?

He expects Reid to put up nothing, which is why he said it. Romney should continue to attack harshly against all of these baseless attacks.

You don't seem to have understood my question (or you're ignoring it).

Well the only two possibilities are that he has nothing or he has something. If he has something that shows that a crime was committed, why hasn't Romney already been arrested? If Reid has Romney's tax returns, that itself is a crime, and if he releases them without Romney's approval, that is also a crime. So if Reid actually does have something, he's obtained it illegally and would be the one who has committed a crime, not Romney.

My point is that Romney should be saying things like that, not "put up or shut up", which just sounds childish.

Every single thing they've attempted to pin on him has been roundly refuted

That's really not true, you know.

This is now the 2nd claim of an outright crime being committed by Romney, and both have been roundly refuted as being completely unfounded (timeline at Bain) or completely made-up (Harry Reid's comments). They're just trying to throw out all this made-up trash to completely distract from every policy that Obama enacted but doesn't want to run on.

Perhaps regarding outright crimes, but I maintain that your previous statement is not true.

I agree that he shouldn't have spoken like that. I think the whole point of this is to get Romney to release tax records. They will apologize and say they thought the source was reputable. But all the while, his tax records are now open for conversation.
I think they just want to further divide him from ordinary people.

That would not surprise me in the least.

[Woodruff]

This is now the 2nd claim of an outright crime being committed by Romney, and both have been roundly refuted as being completely unfounded (timeline at Bain) or completely made-up (Harry Reid's comments). They're just trying to throw out all this made-up trash to completely distract from every policy that Obama enacted but doesn't want to run on.

No, this hasn't been roundly refuted as being completely made-up. There has been no proof either way. It's still unknown. If Romney released his returns, and show that he has been paying taxes, that would be refuting it and proving it's made up. Just say "Not so" doesn't prove a fucking thing.

God damn you surprise me. Open your mind and think.

Isn't this the same argument used for Obama's college transcripts (or whatever the hell it was)?

[Woodruff]

This is now the 2nd claim of an outright crime being committed by Romney, and both have been roundly refuted as being completely unfounded (timeline at Bain) or completely made-up (Harry Reid's comments). They're just trying to throw out all this made-up trash to completely distract from every policy that Obama enacted but doesn't want to run on.

No, this hasn't been roundly refuted as being completely made-up. There has been no proof either way. It's still unknown. If Romney released his returns, and show that he has been paying taxes, that would be refuting it and proving it's made up. Just say "Not so" doesn't prove a fucking thing.

God damn you surprise me. Open your mind and think.

If Romney had committed a crime, the IRS would have already known about it and already arrested him for it. You don't skip paying taxes for 10 years as a public figure with 6 years of that running for president without the IRS being aware of it. This is all just a ploy to force Romney to release tax returns while both he and the public should come out and forcefully reject this constant notion of being guilty until proven innocent. This mentality is sending our country down a dangerous road. If someone has an accusation against another person, prove the accusation before demanding the accused respond to it.

Well, they CAN'T PROVE it...so I think that's an unreasonable expectation. However, the actual accuser (who is not Reid) should be coming forth and making the argument for why he believes it is true, rather than this behind-the-scenes-bullshit.

[patrickaa317]

This is now the 2nd claim of an outright crime being committed by Romney, and both have been roundly refuted as being completely unfounded (timeline at Bain) or completely made-up (Harry Reid's comments). They're just trying to throw out all this made-up trash to completely distract from every policy that Obama enacted but doesn't want to run on.

No, this hasn't been roundly refuted as being completely made-up. There has been no proof either way. It's still unknown. If Romney released his returns, and show that he has been paying taxes, that would be refuting it and proving it's made up. Just say "Not so" doesn't prove a fucking thing.

God damn you surprise me. Open your mind and think.

If Romney had committed a crime, the IRS would have already known about it and already arrested him for it. You don't skip paying taxes for 10 years as a public figure with 6 years of that running for president without the IRS being aware of it. This is all just a ploy to force Romney to release tax returns while both he and the public should come out and forcefully reject this constant notion of being guilty until proven innocent. This mentality is sending our country down a dangerous road. If someone has an accusation against another person, prove the accusation before demanding the accused respond to it.

Well, they CAN'T PROVE it...so I think that's an unreasonable expectation. However, the actual accuser (who is not Reid) should be coming forth and making the argument for why he believes it is true, rather than this behind-the-scenes-bullshit.

Agreed. (And that is assuming that there is an actual accuser and not just a political ploy by the senate leader.)

[Woodruff]

This is now the 2nd claim of an outright crime being committed by Romney, and both have been roundly refuted as being completely unfounded (timeline at Bain) or completely made-up (Harry Reid's comments). They're just trying to throw out all this made-up trash to completely distract from every policy that Obama enacted but doesn't want to run on.

No, this hasn't been roundly refuted as being completely made-up. There has been no proof either way. It's still unknown. If Romney released his returns, and show that he has been paying taxes, that would be refuting it and proving it's made up. Just say "Not so" doesn't prove a fucking thing.

God damn you surprise me. Open your mind and think.

If Romney had committed a crime, the IRS would have already known about it and already arrested him for it. You don't skip paying taxes for 10 years as a public figure with 6 years of that running for president without the IRS being aware of it. This is all just a ploy to force Romney to release tax returns while both he and the public should come out and forcefully reject this constant notion of being guilty until proven innocent. This mentality is sending our country down a dangerous road. If someone has an accusation against another person, prove the accusation before demanding the accused respond to it.

Well, they CAN'T PROVE it...so I think that's an unreasonable expectation. However, the actual accuser (who is not Reid) should be coming forth and making the argument for why he believes it is true, rather than this behind-the-scenes-bullshit.

Agreed. (And that is assuming that there is an actual accuser and not just a political ploy by the senate leader.)

Correct.

[Woodruff]

This is now the 2nd claim of an outright crime being committed by Romney, and both have been roundly refuted as being completely unfounded (timeline at Bain) or completely made-up (Harry Reid's comments). They're just trying to throw out all this made-up trash to completely distract from every policy that Obama enacted but doesn't want to run on.

No, this hasn't been roundly refuted as being completely made-up. There has been no proof either way. It's still unknown. If Romney released his returns, and show that he has been paying taxes, that would be refuting it and proving it's made up. Just say "Not so" doesn't prove a fucking thing.

God damn you surprise me. Open your mind and think.

If Romney had committed a crime, the IRS would have already known about it and already arrested him for it. You don't skip paying taxes for 10 years as a public figure with 6 years of that running for president without the IRS being aware of it. This is all just a ploy to force Romney to release tax returns while both he and the public should come out and forcefully reject this constant notion of being guilty until proven innocent. This mentality is sending our country down a dangerous road. If someone has an accusation against another person, prove the accusation before demanding the accused respond to it.

Huh...http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/16/1110448/-Romney-Demanded-to-See-Ted-Kennedy-s-Tax-Returns

Awesome. I can't stand it when it someone says to require something from one person and not the other. Just because they may find one more trustworthy than the other.

Speaking of inconsistency (NOT on your part, please understand, I respect your ability to support your positions)...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/16/1110448/-Romney-Demanded-to-See-Ted-Kennedy-s-Tax-Returns

(Yes, it's the same link, so sue me.) Those of us who love Ron Paul for his consistency must be questioning this. At least, those of us who are willing to look past party affiliation.

[kentington]

Awesome. I can't stand it when it someone says to require something from one person and not the other. Just because they may find one more trustworthy than the other.

Speaking of inconsistency (NOT on your part, please understand, I respect your ability to support your positions)...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/16/1110448/-Romney-Demanded-to-See-Ted-Kennedy-s-Tax-Returns

(Yes, it's the same link, so sue me.) Those of us who love Ron Paul for his consistency must be questioning this. At least, those of us who are willing to look past party affiliation.

That's pretty funny. Not that I expect politicians to follow this rule. Especially, Romney or Obama. But to see it with the exact same thing is amusing.

[Woodruff]

Awesome. I can't stand it when it someone says to require something from one person and not the other. Just because they may find one more trustworthy than the other.

Speaking of inconsistency (NOT on your part, please understand, I respect your ability to support your positions)...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/16/1110448/-Romney-Demanded-to-See-Ted-Kennedy-s-Tax-Returns

(Yes, it's the same link, so sue me.) Those of us who love Ron Paul for his consistency must be questioning this. At least, those of us who are willing to look past party affiliation.

That's pretty funny. Not that I expect politicians to follow this rule. Especially, Romney or Obama. But to see it with the exact same thing is amusing.

Yeah, I know. It's pretty sad. I still EXPECT them not to do this sort of thing, but I don't really expect them not to. If that makes sense. <sigh>

[kentington]

Awesome. I can't stand it when it someone says to require something from one person and not the other. Just because they may find one more trustworthy than the other.

Speaking of inconsistency (NOT on your part, please understand, I respect your ability to support your positions)...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/16/1110448/-Romney-Demanded-to-See-Ted-Kennedy-s-Tax-Returns

(Yes, it's the same link, so sue me.) Those of us who love Ron Paul for his consistency must be questioning this. At least, those of us who are willing to look past party affiliation.

That's pretty funny. Not that I expect politicians to follow this rule. Especially, Romney or Obama. But to see it with the exact same thing is amusing.

Yeah, I know. It's pretty sad. I still WISH them not to do this sort of thing, but I don't really expect them not to. If that makes sense. <sigh>

Fixed it! Now it makes sense.
I think what you mean is that you expect better of someone in their position, but given track records you don't expect it.

[Woodruff]

Awesome. I can't stand it when it someone says to require something from one person and not the other. Just because they may find one more trustworthy than the other.

Speaking of inconsistency (NOT on your part, please understand, I respect your ability to support your positions)...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/16/1110448/-Romney-Demanded-to-See-Ted-Kennedy-s-Tax-Returns

(Yes, it's the same link, so sue me.) Those of us who love Ron Paul for his consistency must be questioning this. At least, those of us who are willing to look past party affiliation.

That's pretty funny. Not that I expect politicians to follow this rule. Especially, Romney or Obama. But to see it with the exact same thing is amusing.

Yeah, I know. It's pretty sad. I still WISH them not to do this sort of thing, but I don't really expect them not to. If that makes sense. <sigh>

Fixed it! Now it makes sense.
I think what you mean is that you expect better of someone in their position, but given track records you don't expect it.

A'yup. Sad that's Ron Paul's biggest selling point, really, when it should be commonplace.

[kentington]

A'yup. Sad that's Ron Paul's biggest selling point, really, when it should be commonplace.

What's even worse is that the people voting on both sides don't really seem to care. Otherwise Ron Paul would have gone farther.

[Woodruff]

A'yup. Sad that's Ron Paul's biggest selling point, really, when it should be commonplace.

What's even worse is that the people voting on both sides don't really seem to care. Otherwise Ron Paul would have gone farther.

Indeed.

(Although Phatscotty's conspiracy theory says he will...just wait...you'll see...of course, that follows close on the heels of Phatscotty's claim that Ron Paul was going to win the nomination outright, so...just wait...you'll see!)

[Juan_Bottom]

I didn't fact-check this, but I believe.

[Woodruff]

I didn't fact-check this, but I believe.

You should've fact-checked it, but it does appear to be true (yet completely irrelevant and humorous).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Romney_%281762%29

[Juan_Bottom]

lol
I laughed a second time

[patrickaa317]

That is actually really funny.