Do you know anyone who hates someone based on their skin colour? I dont Do you know anyone who hates someone based on their sexuality? I dont Do you know anyone who hates someone based on their religion? Haha, as a Mormon I know loads...
To me that is implying that religion, specifically mormonism - a sect of christianity, is far more commonly persecuted than race/sexuality.
Well...Glenn Beck IS a Mormon. You know how much hate mail he gets? He provides his own past, full of bigotry against him for his religion. That's why he said he knows "loads".... and then he goes on to say "but none of them are my friends, and if you have friends that hate like that, GET NEW FRIENDS!"
Yeah I understand that; but its that kind of media optics I dislike - hes appealing to the religious right who believe that religion is far more persecuted than any other group out there.
It screams of group think; and hence bugged me enough to close the window and write a snarky remark (see: my first post).
I go to the gym to justify my mockery of fat people.
Lootifer wrote:Yeah I understand that; but its that kind of media optics I dislike - hes appealing to the religious right who believe that religion is far more persecuted than any other group out there.
It screams of group think; and hence bugged me enough to close the window and write a snarky remark (see: my first post).
his entire rant is about group think (hence 2+2=5), and how it closes down diversity and tolerance of thought. He's not appealing to anyone religious anything, he just talking about different forms of bigotry.
Also: ThomasPaine3 - the youtuber, is a birther. Yes. A birther.
I was hoping that somebody would explain exactly what the f*ck Beck was saying, and I figured the viewers there might have been just crazy enough to translate without devolving into non sequitors. Checking the response, I see I was hoping for too much.
I can't believe I watched this BS. He talks about diverse thought then clearly attack the "left." Saying they don't allow for diverse thought. Aren't they allowed their opinions too. As far as Chick-I-Don't-Give-A-Fuck, no being pro-gay marriage is bigotry. People have the right to oppose bigotry. There was a time in the US when black and whites weren't allowed to be married. There was a time when blacks weren't allowed to marry their own. It is a shame that we have sheep who follow shepherds to wolves.
Nola_Lifer wrote::lol: I can't believe I watched this BS. He talks about diverse thought then clearly attack the "left." Saying they don't allow for diverse thought. Aren't they allowed their opinions too. As far as Chick-I-Don't-Give-A-f*ck, no being pro-gay marriage is bigotry. People have the right to oppose bigotry. There was a time in the US when black and whites weren't allowed to be married. There was a time when blacks weren't allowed to marry their own. It is a shame that we have sheep who follow shepherds to wolves.
that's what this is all about, their opinions, as well as the opinions of the CEO.... as for his attack on the "left" he clearly stated he was judging these individuals, in this instance, by their actions....which is still okay, isn't it?
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Nola_Lifer wrote::lol: I can't believe I watched this BS. He talks about diverse thought then clearly attack the "left." Saying they don't allow for diverse thought. Aren't they allowed their opinions too. As far as Chick-I-Don't-Give-A-f*ck, no being pro-gay marriage is bigotry. People have the right to oppose bigotry. There was a time in the US when black and whites weren't allowed to be married. There was a time when blacks weren't allowed to marry their own. It is a shame that we have sheep who follow shepherds to wolves.
that's what this is all about, their opinions, as well as the opinions of the CEO....
Nola_Lifer wrote::lol: I can't believe I watched this BS. He talks about diverse thought then clearly attack the "left." Saying they don't allow for diverse thought. Aren't they allowed their opinions too. As far as Chick-I-Don't-Give-A-f*ck, no being pro-gay marriage is bigotry. People have the right to oppose bigotry. There was a time in the US when black and whites weren't allowed to be married. There was a time when blacks weren't allowed to marry their own. It is a shame that we have sheep who follow shepherds to wolves.
that's what this is all about, their opinions, as well as the opinions of the CEO....
Nola_Lifer wrote::lol: I can't believe I watched this BS. He talks about diverse thought then clearly attack the "left." Saying they don't allow for diverse thought. Aren't they allowed their opinions too. As far as Chick-I-Don't-Give-A-f*ck, no being pro-gay marriage is bigotry. People have the right to oppose bigotry. There was a time in the US when black and whites weren't allowed to be married. There was a time when blacks weren't allowed to marry their own. It is a shame that we have sheep who follow shepherds to wolves.
that's what this is all about, their opinions, as well as the opinions of the CEO....
Not if your opinion is bigotry, buddy.
It's not bigotry. You are wrong about that
How is it not bigotry? "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"
Nola_Lifer wrote::lol: I can't believe I watched this BS. He talks about diverse thought then clearly attack the "left." Saying they don't allow for diverse thought. Aren't they allowed their opinions too. As far as Chick-I-Don't-Give-A-f*ck, no being pro-gay marriage is bigotry. People have the right to oppose bigotry. There was a time in the US when black and whites weren't allowed to be married. There was a time when blacks weren't allowed to marry their own. It is a shame that we have sheep who follow shepherds to wolves.
that's what this is all about, their opinions, as well as the opinions of the CEO....
Not if your opinion is bigotry, buddy.
It's not bigotry. You are wrong about that
How is it not bigotry? "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"
all that proves is that everyone is a bigot, or else nobody has an opinion or a prejudice.....
For you to say that anyone who does not support your agenda is a bigot, is pretty damn bigoted. Not everybody who recognizes marriage is a union between a man and a woman hates gay people, in fact, most do not. Many think this is an extremist movement and people think you are going way too far, especially when you go around calling people bigots when they aren't. If I could pick one single thing that will devastate your agenda, it's falsely accusing non-bigoted people of being bigots.
It is the devotion not the opinions or prejudices that makes a bigot. I disagree with many of things but I don't call them bigots, and what is my agenda, seeing that you know so much about me? How is a marriage between a woman and a man not an opinion. As I stated before, interracial marriages weren't allowed and so were marriages of black skin. To deny someone their right to marriage is bigotry.
Nola_Lifer wrote:It is the devotion not the opinions or prejudices that makes a bigot. I disagree with many of things but I don't call them bigots, and what is my agenda, seeing that you know so much about me? How is a marriage between a woman and a man not an opinion. As I stated before, interracial marriages weren't allowed and so were marriages of black skin. To deny someone their right to marriage is bigotry.
Does this fit into your statement then....(anyone who supports traditional marriage is a bigot) that anyone who is religious, and tries to follows the tenets of their religion, and so long as the religion officially says that marriage is a union between a man and a woman (every major religion??)...then, that all religious people are bigots? In a country where freedom of religion is in our very first amendment of our Constitution?
btw, I have no interest in acknowledging that race and sex are interchangeable terms. I do not
Nola_Lifer wrote:It is the devotion not the opinions or prejudices that makes a bigot. I disagree with many of things but I don't call them bigots, and what is my agenda, seeing that you know so much about me? How is a marriage between a woman and a man not an opinion. As I stated before, interracial marriages weren't allowed and so were marriages of black skin. To deny someone their right to marriage is bigotry.
Does this fit into your statement then....(anyone who supports traditional marriage is a bigot) that anyone who is religious, and tries to follows the tenets of their religion, and so long as the religion officially says that marriage is a union between a man and a woman (every major religion??)...then, that all religious people are bigots? In a country where freedom of religion is in our very first amendment of our Constitution?
btw, I have no interest in acknowledging that race and sex are interchangeable terms. I do not
Seeing that there is a separation from church and state, yes. Same with abortion. If your a christian and you don't believe in these things then good for you. Don't practice it, but you shouldn't deny the right to others. It isn't that race and sex are interchangeable terms, it is the fact that marriage isn't just your religious ideology. Interracial marriages and racial marriages were banned not because of religion but because of bigotry. How can I make this clearer?
Nola_Lifer wrote:It is the devotion not the opinions or prejudices that makes a bigot. I disagree with many of things but I don't call them bigots, and what is my agenda, seeing that you know so much about me? How is a marriage between a woman and a man not an opinion. As I stated before, interracial marriages weren't allowed and so were marriages of black skin. To deny someone their right to marriage is bigotry.
Does this fit into your statement then....(anyone who supports traditional marriage is a bigot) that anyone who is religious, and tries to follows the tenets of their religion, and so long as the religion officially says that marriage is a union between a man and a woman (every major religion??)...then, that all religious people are bigots? In a country where freedom of religion is in our very first amendment of our Constitution?
btw, I have no interest in acknowledging that race and sex are interchangeable terms. I do not
Seeing that there is a separation from church and state, yes. Same with abortion. If your a christian and you don't believe in these things then good for you. Don't practice it, but you shouldn't deny the right to others. It isn't that race and sex are interchangeable terms, it is the fact that marriage isn't just your religious ideology. Interracial marriages and racial marriages were banned not because of religion but because of bigotry. How can I make this clearer?
You could be more clear by stating that interracial marriage was only illegal in a few states. You make it sound like it was a Constitutional amendment. But how is that not solely a reflection of a non-segregated society becoming segregated? You guys always sound like there is some switch the government can just hit, and make things happen overnight. You gotta be real about it. History matters.
I don't deny anyone any rights, I simply deny marriage is a right that comes from the government. There are plenty of churches that will marry gays, and they can always still get a civil union (which I had thought was the agreed upon compromise?), so truly just being able to "get married" is not really the case.....is it? The issue, according to what I have seen, is that gays want their marriage to be recognized by society, and by the government, so they can be plugged into the exoskeleton of privileges and benefits built around marriage, by the government.
Obviously, American society has not recognized gay marriage. Collectively, our society and even our numerous cultures have united on this, and have spoken repeatedly. This isn't bigotry because none of us (that I know) hate on gays for the sake of being gay. For myself, they can be gay as the day is long, and love whoever they want, and make a civil union with whoever they want however many times they want, and I will shrug my shoulders. Nobody really views the issue as "the gays..." they view it as "marriage is......".
I'm quite sure in time there will be a few "gay" states, and that will be fine with me. My main problem with all this, from the very beginning, has been that judges have overruled the votes of some states (California for example) and what we have effectively is an unelected, unaccountable judge overturning the democratic will of the people, who said "No, that is not what marriage is. We aren't going to start doing it differently. We are going to hold to our traditions and our heritage and our culture, as we have the right to." This is what has happened. Marriage was not redefined.
I have always had a sneaking suspicion that many gay's are perfectly fine with the civil union, and what we have here is the extremist part of the movement, and gets major media coverage and sympathy.
I will let another say a few things that I agree with and maybe you can see into the prism from a slightly different slant. This is a great debate and good points are brought up no both sides.
InkL0sed wrote:He changes the title of threads so people will look at them, thinking they haven't seen them before. It's a very decent thing to do.
thats not the reason!
It evolved. And it's not like a huge change or anything...."2+2=5" and "group think".....
Does it really matter if that's the reason or not? That's what happens. I for one would not have wasted more time with this thread if not for the title change.
Not that this is an accusation or anything. Like I said, the trickery is very decent of you.
Seems like more bigotry. Women and men aren't the same? And the argument that marriage is about having kids is a fail too. Couples don't have to have children, nor do all couples have them. He may claim that he has compassion and doesn't hate gay men or women but that doesn't mean he isn't a bigot. Bigotry is about the devotion, devotion, to opinions and prejudices. That devotion maybe to marriage. Also, it is about more then just taxes when it comes to marriage.
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Nola_Lifer wrote:It is the devotion not the opinions or prejudices that makes a bigot. I disagree with many of things but I don't call them bigots, and what is my agenda, seeing that you know so much about me? How is a marriage between a woman and a man not an opinion. As I stated before, interracial marriages weren't allowed and so were marriages of black skin. To deny someone their right to marriage is bigotry.
Does this fit into your statement then....(anyone who supports traditional marriage is a bigot) that anyone who is religious, and tries to follows the tenets of their religion, and so long as the religion officially says that marriage is a union between a man and a woman (every major religion??)...then, that all religious people are bigots? In a country where freedom of religion is in our very first amendment of our Constitution?
btw, I have no interest in acknowledging that race and sex are interchangeable terms. I do not
Seeing that there is a separation from church and state, yes. Same with abortion. If your a christian and you don't believe in these things then good for you. Don't practice it, but you shouldn't deny the right to others. It isn't that race and sex are interchangeable terms, it is the fact that marriage isn't just your religious ideology. Interracial marriages and racial marriages were banned not because of religion but because of bigotry. How can I make this clearer?
You could be more clear by stating that interracial marriage was only illegal in a few states. You make it sound like it was a Constitutional amendment. But how is that not solely a reflection of a non-segregated society becoming segregated? You guys always sound like there is some switch the government can just hit, and make things happen overnight. You gotta be real about it. History matters.
I don't deny anyone any rights, I simply deny marriage is a right that comes from the government. There are plenty of churches that will marry gays, and they can always still get a civil union (which I had thought was the agreed upon compromise?), so truly just being able to "get married" is not really the case.....is it? The issue, according to what I have seen, is that gays want their marriage to be recognized by society, and by the government, so they can be plugged into the exoskeleton of privileges and benefits built around marriage, by the government.
Obviously, American society has not recognized gay marriage. Collectively, our society and even our numerous cultures have united on this, and have spoken repeatedly. This isn't bigotry because none of us (that I know) hate on gays for the sake of being gay. For myself, they can be gay as the day is long, and love whoever they want, and make a civil union with whoever they want however many times they want, and I will shrug my shoulders. Nobody really views the issue as "the gays..." they view it as "marriage is......".
I'm quite sure in time there will be a few "gay" states, and that will be fine with me. My main problem with all this, from the very beginning, has been that judges have overruled the votes of some states (California for example) and what we have effectively is an unelected, unaccountable judge overturning the democratic will of the people, who said "No, that is not what marriage is. We aren't going to start doing it differently. We are going to hold to our traditions and our heritage and our culture, as we have the right to." This is what has happened. Marriage was not redefined.
I have always had a sneaking suspicion that many gay's are perfectly fine with the civil union, and what we have here is the extremist part of the movement, and gets major media coverage and sympathy.
I will let another say a few things that I agree with and maybe you can see into the prism from a slightly different slant. This is a great debate and good points are brought up no both sides.
Are you saying that you only disagree with the way that gay marriage is being legalized not with it being legalized?
He provides his own past, full of bigotry against him for his religion. That's why he said he knows "loads".... and then he goes on to say "but none of them are my friends, and if you have friends that hate like that, GET NEW FRIENDS!"
