Phatscotty wrote:Unconfirmed reports from AP says the pick is Paul Ryan
That would be HIGHLY unfortunate, in my opinion. Tea Party absorbed fully, back to the status quo.
So how would that be unfortunate? Paul Ryan is the only person in Congress in either chamber who has actually been working on fiscal issues and restoring sanity to our fiscal sanity.
HE RESTORES SANITY TO OUR SANITY
there's the slogan, right there.
Although, fair play to ryan - he's come up with an alternative. A proposer rather than just a critic, to paraphrase the guy. Although he's still an evil bellend, obviously
Night Strike is exactly the kind of republican that wouldn't want the actual Tea Party ideals to win out in the Republican party. True libertarian values go against his social conservative, military-industrial complex-expanding ones.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
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Phatscotty wrote:Unconfirmed reports from AP says the pick is Paul Ryan
That would be HIGHLY unfortunate, in my opinion. Tea Party absorbed fully, back to the status quo.
So how would that be unfortunate? Paul Ryan is the only person in Congress in either chamber who has actually been working on fiscal issues and restoring sanity to our fiscal sanity.
HE RESTORES SANITY TO OUR SANITY
there's the slogan, right there.
Although, fair play to ryan - he's come up with an alternative. A proposer rather than just a critic, to paraphrase the guy. Although he's still an evil bellend, obviously
It's not really an alternative, imo, given that he's held off on saying what services he'd cut to pay for all the tax cuts he wants. Sort of like saying I want you to pay me to remodel your house, but I won't tell you what I'm gonna do. I might just take out some support-loading beams, but hey, you wanted your house remodeled.
oVo wrote:Rmoney's focus is becoming the Prez. The message, continue fucking middle America is still a hard sell.
I pretty much knew that Paul Ryan was Romney's only choice, after the way the other Republicans went after Romney in the run-off, and because of the type of guy Ryan is. Also, Paul Ryan would be my choice for a running mate for Romney, and I'm against Romney. So for me, this is awesome.
Woodruff wrote:This nomination coupled with Romney defeating Ron Paul PROVES OTHERWISE.
Then why did Ted Cruz just win a runoff election last week in Texas? Why have several other Tea Party people defeated establishment Republicans in elections all around the country?
Your standard is that the Tea Party must win every single election to be considered relevant and not co-opted. That's an impossible standard to achieve. When building a movement, you will win some elections and you will lose some elections. You choose to focus on one race while ignoring the many other races around the nation that are going on that involve Tea Party people. The Tea Party is much more than one election.
Actually, the Tea Party isn't any elections any longer, as the Tea Party no longer exists except as an adjunct of the Republican Party.
Then I guess you'll just have to keep your blind eyes closed and ignore what is happening in 2012. The Tea Party still exists, it's just getting out there voting, volunteering, and running for offices instead of protesting. It's working to actually cause real change instead of just protesting the status quo.
I recognize August 1st, Chik-Fil-A day, as the MEGA Tea Party event that it was. I also recognize that day as the first time Obama supporters felt a chill run down their spine...
We are no longer called "The Tea Party". We are taking our rightful place as We The People, and we are campaigning for Liberty. Americans are united in ONE thing, and that is the realization that our basic Freedoms are seriously under attack, and the enemies of Freedom are just as sneaky and full of lies as one would expect an enemy of Freedom to be.
America is the land of the Free, and the price of that Freedom is eternal vigilance and constant defense against constant attacks on it. Sometimes, America just needs to be protected from enemies, even if we don't have the perfect answer or the perfect candidate.
Anyways, here is a "Tea Party" response to the VP pick
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Woodruff wrote:This nomination coupled with Romney defeating Ron Paul PROVES OTHERWISE.
Then why did Ted Cruz just win a runoff election last week in Texas? Why have several other Tea Party people defeated establishment Republicans in elections all around the country?
Your standard is that the Tea Party must win every single election to be considered relevant and not co-opted. That's an impossible standard to achieve. When building a movement, you will win some elections and you will lose some elections. You choose to focus on one race while ignoring the many other races around the nation that are going on that involve Tea Party people. The Tea Party is much more than one election.
Actually, the Tea Party isn't any elections any longer, as the Tea Party no longer exists except as an adjunct of the Republican Party.
Then I guess you'll just have to keep your blind eyes closed and ignore what is happening in 2012. The Tea Party still exists, it's just getting out there voting, volunteering, and running for offices instead of protesting. It's working to actually cause real change instead of just protesting the status quo.
I recognize August 1st, Chik-Fil-A day, as the MEGA Tea Party event that it was.
Thank you for precisely making my point. I don't believe I could have done so any more succinctly.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Look at who was voted "Most likely to succeed" and then keep looking for Paul Ryan. I luled
Ah, I completely overlooked the name there and I THOUGHT I was looking closely. Sheesh!
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Phatscotty wrote:I recognize August 1st, Chik-Fil-A day, as the MEGA Tea Party event that it was.
Thank you for precisely making my point. I don't believe I could have done so any more succinctly.
Yep, a massive outpouring of support by people who support the ideas of free speech and freedom of religion without the threat of being unconstitutionally blocked and discriminated against from certain cities. That sounds exactly what Tea Party people stand for. We're tired of the liberals and progressives beating us into submission to their politically correct ideas and will stand up for the free speech of others.
Phatscotty wrote:I recognize August 1st, Chik-Fil-A day, as the MEGA Tea Party event that it was.
Thank you for precisely making my point. I don't believe I could have done so any more succinctly.
Yep, a massive outpouring of support by people who support the ideas of free speech and freedom of religion without the threat of being unconstitutionally blocked and discriminated against from certain cities. That sounds exactly what Tea Party people stand for. We're tired of the liberals and progressives beating us into submission to their politically correct ideas and will stand up for the free speech of others.
Being co-opted by the religious right...that sounds EXACTLY like the Tea Party that you stand for, but not the one I stand for. YOU have provided yet another excellent example of my point in your statements, as well.
It's like the two of you don't even think through the things you say.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Phatscotty wrote:I recognize August 1st, Chik-Fil-A day, as the MEGA Tea Party event that it was.
Thank you for precisely making my point. I don't believe I could have done so any more succinctly.
Yep, a massive outpouring of support by people who support the ideas of free speech and freedom of religion without the threat of being unconstitutionally blocked and discriminated against from certain cities. That sounds exactly what Tea Party people stand for. We're tired of the liberals and progressives beating us into submission to their politically correct ideas and will stand up for the free speech of others.
Being co-opted by the religious right...that sounds EXACTLY like the Tea Party that you stand for, but not the one I stand for. YOU have provided yet another excellent example of my point in your statements, as well.
It's like the two of you don't even think through the things you say.
Considering I meant everything I said in that statement, I did think through what I said.
Paul Ryan, just like Obama, supported TARP. Here he is begging for TARP, almost as sniveling as Obama -
Ron Paul on why Paul Ryan's economic plans are too little, too late -
New Hampshire Tea Party denounces Paul Ryan -
There is much abuzz over Mitt Romney's announcement naming Congressman Paul Ryan from Wisconsin as his vice presidential running mate.
But many see it as unimpressive, and even premature and just another indication of a desperate move to distract from the idea that the "presumptive nominee" has in truth, been fighting for his political life.
So is Ryan in favor of giving rich people money or is he in favor of the government not taking as much from them?
He's in favor of the former since the rich people didn't actually build the businesses and investments that made that money. It's all the government's money and only achievable because others made it happen.
Dewd...Obama has lost a chunk of the Hispanic vote, he has lost more than half of the Independent vote, and even the % of the black vote that does not support him had doubled. Not to mention the millions of people who came out to vote for him, which might have never cast a vote in their life previously (disenchanted) will probably be staying home this time, while also not forgetting the white guilt vote nor forgetting all the people who just wanted to see a black president, as both of these last concerns have been dealt with for all intends and purposes, and I am quite sure I don't have to remind you about the unacceptable unemployment rate we still have going into the end of 2012.
People may have heard the talking point in the past "It would have been worse if Obama did nothing!" Uh no it wouldn't have, by Obama's own numbers....the results turned out to be worse than their own predictions of "if we did nothing/without recovery plan"
I don't see how Obama can win, and this is constantly reaffirmed to me by the wedge issues Obama continues to choose to push (that is to say anything but his own record). But what else would you expect from Obama when he has only ever won 1 real election in his life. Hell, he doesn't even have experience getting elected! The only real opponent he ever faced in his entire life was John Mccain, and that was with his slobbering love affair with the media as well as free passes from having to really answer any real questions. Obama has truly proven to be a paper tiger.
This time, Obama cannot be elected on hallow platitudes alone.
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So who else isn't voting for either of the assholes the two major parties are running? I'm still not sure which third party/write in I'm going to go with, but I certainly won't be providing any legitimacy to the big business duopoly.
Phatscotty wrote: People may have heard the talking point in the past "It would have been worse if Obama did nothing!" Uh no it wouldn't have, by Obama's own numbers....the results turned out to be worse than their own predictions of "if we did nothing/without recovery plan" .
Umm, this doesn't show that the stimulus actually made the economy worse (how could that possibly happen in the short term? there's a decent argument that it could hurt the economy in the long term, but arguing that throwing money out of helicopters would hurt the economy in the short term is kinda absurd).
What it shows is that the economy was way worse than anybody in any position of power thought in 2008.
