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jay_a2j wrote:The only people against it are those who want non-citizens the ability to vote! If you are a citizen whats the big deal having to show your ID. VOTER FRAUD is why people are against it! Would Obama have won in 2008 if ID's were required?
There is no RATIONAL reason NOT to have to show ID!
Wisconsin's Voter ID law provided free IDs to people who did not have them. In practice, state employees at the DMV were instructed to provide the IDs for free only if people specifically asked to have their fee waived. A Wisconsin state employee was fired for telling other employees that the IDs were free by law, and that they should inform people who may need them to vote.[18][19] For the time being, the requirement to show photo ID has since been declared in violation of the Wisconsin Constitution and blocked by state judges.[20]
Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state. Essentially a poll tax.
Hence the issue in say, Wisconsin:Wisconsin's Voter ID law provided free IDs to people who did not have them. In practice, state employees at the DMV were instructed to provide the IDs for free only if people specifically asked to have their fee waived. A Wisconsin state employee was fired for telling other employees that the IDs were free by law, and that they should inform people who may need them to vote.[18][19] For the time being, the requirement to show photo ID has since been declared in violation of the Wisconsin Constitution and blocked by state judges.[20]
Which should trouble anyone who actually considers about how these laws work in practice, rather than worrying about voter fraud in theory.
Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state. Essentially a poll tax.
Night Strike wrote:Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state. Essentially a poll tax.
Owning a gun is a right. In order to own a gun, you have to pay for both licensing yourself as well as registering each gun you own, therefore you're having to purchase your right to own a gun from the state. PLUS, you have to show a photo ID to do those things.
AAFitz wrote:Night Strike wrote:Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state. Essentially a poll tax.
Owning a gun is a right. In order to own a gun, you have to pay for both licensing yourself as well as registering each gun you own, therefore you're having to purchase your right to own a gun from the state. PLUS, you have to show a photo ID to do those things.
Eh...if you wrongly translate the constitution perhaps.
kentington wrote:AAFitz wrote:Night Strike wrote:Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state. Essentially a poll tax.
Owning a gun is a right. In order to own a gun, you have to pay for both licensing yourself as well as registering each gun you own, therefore you're having to purchase your right to own a gun from the state. PLUS, you have to show a photo ID to do those things.
Eh...if you wrongly translate the constitution perhaps.
In which way are you suggesting his interpretation is wrong?
Also, ID's should be free.
AAFitz wrote:Night Strike wrote:Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state. Essentially a poll tax.
Owning a gun is a right. In order to own a gun, you have to pay for both licensing yourself as well as registering each gun you own, therefore you're having to purchase your right to own a gun from the state. PLUS, you have to show a photo ID to do those things.
Eh...if you wrongly translate the constitution perhaps.
AAFitz wrote:kentington wrote:AAFitz wrote:Night Strike wrote:Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state. Essentially a poll tax.
Owning a gun is a right. In order to own a gun, you have to pay for both licensing yourself as well as registering each gun you own, therefore you're having to purchase your right to own a gun from the state. PLUS, you have to show a photo ID to do those things.
Eh...if you wrongly translate the constitution perhaps.
In which way are you suggesting his interpretation is wrong?
Also, ID's should be free.
Many.
kentington wrote:AAFitz wrote:kentington wrote:AAFitz wrote:Night Strike wrote:Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state. Essentially a poll tax.
Owning a gun is a right. In order to own a gun, you have to pay for both licensing yourself as well as registering each gun you own, therefore you're having to purchase your right to own a gun from the state. PLUS, you have to show a photo ID to do those things.
Eh...if you wrongly translate the constitution perhaps.
In which way are you suggesting his interpretation is wrong?
Also, ID's should be free.
Many.
If you aren't willing to give an answer why make the claim?
Night Strike wrote:AAFitz wrote:Night Strike wrote:Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state. Essentially a poll tax.
Owning a gun is a right. In order to own a gun, you have to pay for both licensing yourself as well as registering each gun you own, therefore you're having to purchase your right to own a gun from the state. PLUS, you have to show a photo ID to do those things.
Eh...if you wrongly translate the constitution perhaps.
And the "correct" (aka, your) interpretation?
AAFitz wrote:Night Strike wrote:AAFitz wrote:Night Strike wrote:Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state. Essentially a poll tax.
Owning a gun is a right. In order to own a gun, you have to pay for both licensing yourself as well as registering each gun you own, therefore you're having to purchase your right to own a gun from the state. PLUS, you have to show a photo ID to do those things.
Eh...if you wrongly translate the constitution perhaps.
And the "correct" (aka, your) interpretation?
Tell you what. Ill explain it to my wall. I know it has at least a chance of understanding and listening.
AAFitz wrote:kentington wrote:AAFitz wrote:kentington wrote:AAFitz wrote:Night Strike wrote:Owning a gun is a right. In order to own a gun, you have to pay for both licensing yourself as well as registering each gun you own, therefore you're having to purchase your right to own a gun from the state. PLUS, you have to show a photo ID to do those things.
Eh...if you wrongly translate the constitution perhaps.
In which way are you suggesting his interpretation is wrong?
Also, ID's should be free.
Many.
If you aren't willing to give an answer why make the claim?
has nothing to do with being willing. And if supporting claims with evidence was a requirement in this forum, especially from that poster...
Night Strike wrote:AAFitz wrote:Night Strike wrote:AAFitz wrote:Night Strike wrote:Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state. Essentially a poll tax.
Owning a gun is a right. In order to own a gun, you have to pay for both licensing yourself as well as registering each gun you own, therefore you're having to purchase your right to own a gun from the state. PLUS, you have to show a photo ID to do those things.
Eh...if you wrongly translate the constitution perhaps.
And the "correct" (aka, your) interpretation?
Tell you what. Ill explain it to my wall. I know it has at least a chance of understanding and listening.
So, you don't have any other correct interpretation.
kentington wrote:Not from that poster. From me. I am curious in which ways he is interpreting it wrongly.
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