Bizarro World Mafia (Day 8) Game over, Mafia win!

by **autoload** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:08 pm

Syzygy wrote:I already claimed vig.

I tried to kill auto last night.

Nothing happened. So either:
1. I was roleblocked
2. He is Godfather
3. A doc protected him.

How long were you a Vig? Has any of the people you targeted to kill even die? You are either lying, an ineffective Vig, someone protected me, or the game mechanics itself has somehow kept me from getting killed.

by **Colaalone** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:09 pm

If Aimless is supposedly always scum, then shouldn't we just use today's lynch to take out autoload (who's mafia role switches around)? Autoload is our enemy also. Today he is confirmed mafia, but tomorrow might not be so certain. Regardless of the information we receive towards Aimless, we should lynch Autoload today and Aimless tomorrow.

by **Syzygy** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:11 pm

autoload wrote:
Syzygy wrote:I already claimed vig.

I tried to kill auto last night.

Nothing happened. So either:
1. I was roleblocked
2. He is Godfather
3. A doc protected him.

How long were you a Vig? Has any of the people you targeted to kill even die? You are either lying, an ineffective Vig, someone protected me, or the game mechanics itself has somehow kept me from getting killed.

Last night was my first night.

Thus, game mechanics, you being godfather, you being protected or myself being roleblocked are the only possibilities.

It is possible that I got a vig role that can't really kill, but those aren't common.

by **Colaalone** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:14 pm

I was the vig on Day/Night 1 and my kill worked (Rev_Kyle).

by **autoload** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:15 pm

Colaalone wrote:If Aimless is supposedly always scum, then shouldn't we just use today's lynch to take out autoload (who's mafia role switches around)? Autoload is our enemy also. Today he is confirmed mafia, but tomorrow might not be so certain. Regardless of the information we receive towards Aimless, we should lynch Autoload today and Aimless tomorrow.

If I knew for sure that you guys would Lynch Aimless tomorrow I would be all for getting myself lynched today. That is how confident that I am not really mafia. I think even if I die today I would win the game if Aimless ultimately dies.

But I think that tomorrow Aimless will talk his way out of being lynched. Lynching is the only way to kill him. He's been night targeted twice and lived each time. Something is up...

by **Syzygy** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:16 pm

Colaalone wrote:I was the vig on Day/Night 1 and my kill worked (Rev_Kyle).

Ah thank you.

Therefore I'm not a dud vig.

by **Aimless** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:21 pm

Colaalone wrote:If Aimless is supposedly always scum, then shouldn't we just use today's lynch to take out autoload (who's mafia role switches around)? Autoload is our enemy also. Today he is confirmed mafia, but tomorrow might not be so certain. Regardless of the information we receive towards Aimless, we should lynch Autoload today and Aimless tomorrow.

Exactly. This is the best play by far.

There is only one possible draw back, but I'm not sure if it applies. As I said yesterday, there is a cult running around. As of Day 3, there were no recruits. By now, it is possible that there are 3 cultists. There are few enough players around that we need to worry about the cult winning as well.

But lynching auto today and me tomorrow (since all of you seem to have been taken in by auto's suspicion) is the best play. I say this as a townie today; I may not be townie tomorrow.

by **mandalorian2298** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:21 pm

Colaalone wrote:If Aimless is supposedly always scum, then shouldn't we just use today's lynch to take out autoload (who's mafia role switches around)? Autoload is our enemy also. Today he is confirmed mafia, but tomorrow might not be so certain. Regardless of the information we receive towards Aimless, we should lynch Autoload today and Aimless tomorrow.

Why are you people complicating this. We wait for JND to show up. He answers one simple question. After he does we lynch a CERTAIN mafia, possibly GodFather. Every vote before he comes, is giving mafia a chance.

Syzygy: you don't have to worry about appearing scummy. You allready do. HOWEVER, the roles change tonight!! If you are mafia today, then you will be a townie tommorow, so, if we lynch the Godfather you are almost sure to win, since we will only have 2 "normal" mafia's to lynch.
UNVOTE!

by **Syzygy** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:24 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Colaalone wrote:If Aimless is supposedly always scum, then shouldn't we just use today's lynch to take out autoload (who's mafia role switches around)? Autoload is our enemy also. Today he is confirmed mafia, but tomorrow might not be so certain. Regardless of the information we receive towards Aimless, we should lynch Autoload today and Aimless tomorrow.

Why are you people complicating this. We wait for JND to show up. He answers one simple question. After he does we lynch a CERTAIN mafia, possibly GodFather. Every vote before he comes, is giving mafia a chance.

Syzygy: you don't have to worry about appearing scummy. You allready do. HOWEVER, the roles change tonight!! If you are mafia today, then you will be a townie tommorow, so, if we lynch the Godfather you are almost sure to win, since we will only have 2 "normal" mafia's to lynch.
UNVOTE!

I am not mafia, FFS.

I really believe auto is the godfather.

Unvote until jnd says something, now get off the case of the world's biggest idiot. :wink:

by **autoload** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:30 pm

If you are not the Ultimate Mafia as I think you are, what have your roles been in this game then Aimless?

by **Colaalone** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:32 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Colaalone wrote:If Aimless is supposedly always scum, then shouldn't we just use today's lynch to take out autoload (who's mafia role switches around)? Autoload is our enemy also. Today he is confirmed mafia, but tomorrow might not be so certain. Regardless of the information we receive towards Aimless, we should lynch Autoload today and Aimless tomorrow.

Why are you people complicating this. We wait for JND to show up. He answers one simple question. After he does we lynch a CERTAIN mafia, possibly GodFather. Every vote before he comes, is giving mafia a chance.

BECAUSE! If Aimless is the "true" mafia then he has stayed mafia throughout and will remain so tomorrow. But Autoload is a mafai goon who gets switched around. Two situations:
1. We lynch Autoload today (confirmed scum) and Aimless tomorrow (yet to be confirmed, but highly suspicious)
2. We lynch Aimless today (yet to be confirmed, but highly suspicious) and have no target for tomorrow since autoload will claim he has switched or very well may HAVE switched.

by **mandalorian2298** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:08 pm

Colaalone wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:
Colaalone wrote:If Aimless is supposedly always scum, then shouldn't we just use today's lynch to take out autoload (who's mafia role switches around)? Autoload is our enemy also. Today he is confirmed mafia, but tomorrow might not be so certain. Regardless of the information we receive towards Aimless, we should lynch Autoload today and Aimless tomorrow.

Why are you people complicating this. We wait for JND to show up. He answers one simple question. After he does we lynch a CERTAIN mafia, possibly GodFather. Every vote before he comes, is giving mafia a chance.

BECAUSE! If Aimless is the "true" mafia then he has stayed mafia throughout and will remain so tomorrow. But Autoload is a mafai goon who gets switched around. Two situations:
1. We lynch Autoload today (confirmed scum) and Aimless tomorrow (yet to be confirmed, but highly suspicious)
2. We lynch Aimless today (yet to be confirmed, but highly suspicious) and have no target for tomorrow since autoload will claim he has switched or very well may HAVE switched.

And Jnd has no time to make his claim because he either gets Night-killed or he switches back to being mafia and gives us the wrong info.

Today, we know that jnd is pro-town. Wait for him to speak, before deciding on a vote.

by **Colaalone** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:32 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:And Jnd has no time to make his claim because he either gets Night-killed or he switches back to being mafia and gives us the wrong info.

Today, we know that jnd is pro-town. Wait for him to speak, before deciding on a vote.

A quick lynch wasn't part of the plan. I think we should get all the information we can today (most definitely JND's side of the story) but regardless of any information we gather, AUTOLOAD IS STILL SCUM and must be lynched today.

by **for dummies** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:38 pm

i agree completly...we know auto is scum...therefore we lynch him

by **autoload** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:43 pm

And like I said, we get rid of the Ultimate Scum and it's game over right now.

by **Aimless** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:44 pm

autoload wrote:If you are not the Ultimate Mafia as I think you are, what have your roles been in this game then Aimless?

Double Voter, Cult Leader, and for the past two days, I have been Pro-Town - Locked Role.

by **Colaalone** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:45 pm

autoload wrote:And like I said, we get rid of the Ultimate Scum and it's game over right now.

Thats not a fact, its a theory.
I highly doubt the lynching of Aimless will end the game and EVERYONE (Townies, "Fake Mafia", and The Cult) will win.

by **autoload** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:51 pm

Let me put it this way... Assume we all play this game the standard way in that if you are scum you keep quiet about it so you don't get lynched. The next day you are not scum and it is almost impossible to tell who is scum. So each day's lynch would be like a Day One Lynch and historically those lynches rarely find scum. Thus my theory of Bizarro mafia is that we only have to find the one well bunkered scum and end the game. How unfair to go through the game playing selfishly, merely to survive and getting picked off one by one. I believe I have found something and so therefore did not feel the need to hide my status as scum. Hell, even the deceased list can not be taken with 100% faith as there are roles called Death Millers where someone is innocent and will appear guilty upon investigations and even death. I do not find that to be very sporting for a mod to use a role like that, but we all know AK is not a sporting mod!

I will admit, I'm not sure I am right, but I have to try my best to win this game. If we lynch Aimless and he turns up innocent I will suicide myself in shame if still a mafia. And by suicide I mean nightkill myself if I am allowed to by the mod.

by **mandalorian2298** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:59 pm

autoload wrote:Let me put it this way... Assume we all play this game the standard way in that if you are scum you keep quiet about it so you don't get lynched. The next day you are not scum and it is almost impossible to tell who is scum. So each day's lynch would be like a Day One Lynch and historically those lynches rarely find scum. Thus my theory of Bizarro mafia is that we only have to find the one well bunkered scum and end the game. How unfair to go through the game playing selfishly, merely to survive and getting picked off one by one. I believe I have found something and so therefore did not feel the need to hide my status as scum. Hell, even the deceased list can not be taken with 100% faith as there are roles called Death Millers where someone is innocent and will appear guilty upon investigations and even death. I do not find that to be very sporting for a mod to use a role like that, but we all know AK is not a sporting mod!

I will admit, I'm not sure I am right, but I have to try my best to win this game. If we lynch Aimless and he turns up innocent I will suicide myself in shame if still a mafia. And by suicide I mean nightkill myself if I am allowed to by the mod.

Bushido-like. I like it.

Would you grant me the honor of choping your head of, sir? :wink:

by **Aimless** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:03 pm

There's a strong problem with this.

First, you will live and claim that you weren't able to kill yourself. Second, given the way things have played out, I think there is a strong likelihood that roles will swap again tomorrow. Third, there are probably 3 scum left. There are 10 of us alive. A non-scum lynch today makes the game extremely hard for the town.

However, that said, being town, I would welcome a lynch on me, if I thought the town would win the game afterwards. Lynching me today would freeze my role as town, so if the town did win, I would win as well. But, right now, I think that the odds are better for a cult or a scum win - especially if we do not lynch scum today.

Lynch the obv-scum. If you guys are still unsure of me, lynch me tomorrow. If auto's theory is right, you'll still have time.

Frankly, I think the only reason auto is after me is that I've been 3 for 3 on my scum guesses so far (well, I will be 3 for 3 after we lynch auto).

by **autoload** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:06 pm

I have another point to bring up.

mandalorian2298 claims to be a Day Cop and investigated jnd94 and he turned up innocent. How would he turn up innocent if he was mafia with me yesterday and last night, and I did not get a role PM saying my role either changed or stayed the same last night? This means that jnd94 should turn up as mafia in a day investigation today.

Therefore it could be explained in one of several ways:

1. mandalorian2298 is not a Sane Cop. He gets either random or always innocent results.
2. Revolving mafia think they are scum, but in reality they are innocent. I like this explanation. It means that this Bizarro stuff affects our minds, but not our true status.
3. mandalorian2298 is the true mafia and is trying to go for a Hat Trick to kill Aimless, myself and jnd94 before town figures out what is happening. This possibility merits some investigation.

In any case, I highly doubt anybody that fills the revolving mafia role should be the lynch choice on any given day.

Unvote: Aimless

I am not so sure you are mafia anymore...

FOS: mandalorian2298 and Aimless

by **jnd94** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:08 pm

Ok, I just got back from school and have read from the beginnig of the day 5. Autoload is completely correct in hias thinking and his conversation between us is 100% correct. Aimless probably offerend up the huge roleclaim because he is the main scum godfather, and me, auto, AK, and some others are just revolving ina cycle of who is mafia. Now aimless is voting fairly quickly because we have probably figured it out.

Vote Aimless - Im fairly certain about this

by **autoload** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:12 pm

Well, now that jnd has verified the actions of last night, what do you propose we do? If we have enough people willing to Vote Aimless on this, I will place my vote back on him, if not then I don't know what to say.

trestain was a former mafia who tried to kill Aimless unsuccessfully, what does he have to say about all this?

by **jnd94** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:15 pm

autoload wrote:Well, now that jnd has verified the actions of last night, what do you propose we do? If we have enough people willing to Vote Aimless on this, I will place my vote back on him, if not then I don't know what to say.

trestain was a former mafia who tried to kill Aimless unsuccessfully, what does he have to say about all this?

this is sort of like picking betweeen two equally bad things. If we lynch aimless, and it turns out he was the mafia main godfather, then it would be good. But then if your right about mandy, then he could come back and kill us. They both seem fairly guilty, I just dont know which one is worse.

by **mandalorian2298** on Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:32 pm

jnd94 wrote:
autoload wrote:Well, now that jnd has verified the actions of last night, what do you propose we do? If we have enough people willing to Vote Aimless on this, I will place my vote back on him, if not then I don't know what to say.

trestain was a former mafia who tried to kill Aimless unsuccessfully, what does he have to say about all this?

this is sort of like picking betweeen two equally bad things. If we lynch aimless, and it turns out he was the mafia main godfather, then it would be good. But then if your right about mandy, then he could come back and kill us. They both seem fairly guilty, I just dont know which one is worse.

You two are both insane! Auto is voting me for refusing to quick-lynch his ass :roll:

and Jnd is voting me because I confirmed he is a townie and asked him for his oppinion.

OK, Kamikaze strategy (again *sigh* ) seems to be the only way. Lynch Aimless and if he isn't a Godfather, vig can kill me or you can lynch me tommorow if that doesn't work.

Bizarro World Mafia (Day 8) Game over, Mafia win!

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