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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby Epitaph1 on Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:03 am

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BGtheBrain wrote:I think the phrase is confirmation bias isn't it?

I'm amazed after blocking me N1 and there were 2 kills that saf was so sure I was lying on D2.

The bus driver needs to come clean and say who he swapped N1 and who he swapped N2.

i think saf's claim clears BG. it means that BG could not have been responsible for the N1 SK kill. so someone else must be the SK. you guys are digging too hard. roleblocker, rather, is a very ambiguous role, and could swing town or mafia.


Wait a sec, I think Vodeon is right.

N1: saf blocks BG, scene indicates that Dexter's victims were switched. If saf's action affected BG, he would not have been able to kill on N1. If saf's action did not affect BG because of a busdrive, then BG would have killed himself on N1. The only other possibilities would have to involve another role roleblocking saf somehow, although I doubt that's the case.
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby Iron Butterfly on Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:23 pm

edocsil wrote:No indication of a busdrive, just flavor as to who Dexter is supposed to kill. Others may feel differently on this point, but that is my opinion.


Why say that when it has been pointed out before....by me? You obviously can read. It certainly is NOT flavor.

Skimming is such an overused term. I think you are willfully ignoring it to press BG as BG is the red headed step child of this game. No pun intended.
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby Iron Butterfly on Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:29 pm

edocsil wrote:Vote BG We should have finished this yesterday, but you were too foolish to follow through.


Again I bring you back to this. You talk to dead people who cant talk back so you chide him for not voting BG...implying BG was the killer of /. I asked you about it but you chose to ignore my question.
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby BGtheBrain on Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:32 pm

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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby BGtheBrain on Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:43 pm

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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby edocsil on Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:45 pm

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edocsil wrote:No indication of a busdrive, just flavor as to who Dexter is supposed to kill. Others may feel differently on this point, but that is my opinion.


Why say that when it has been pointed out before....by me? You obviously can read. It certainly is NOT flavor.

Skimming is such an overused term. I think you are willfully ignoring it to press BG as BG is the red headed step child of this game. No pun intended.


I continue to vote for BG due to unintelligible posts, poor logic, inability to see anything besides pathetic omgus, and a few other reasons. At this point I really don't give a shit about flavor, because I suspect there are busdrivers and roleblockers, and more importantly, more then one of each. Look at his reasoning. He assumes many things and makes an effort to make as little sense as possible while posing.

BGtheBrain wrote:1. Edoc - No
2. Vodean - No
3. Chuck
4. Epitaph - No
5. BGthebrain - No
6. iron butterfly - No
7. Safariguy - No
11. Chapcrap
12. LSUTiger - No

Chap or Chuck

Who is the busdriver?


So "no" what? Not busdriver? Simple enough. However there is not a single scrap of logic behind any of his opinions as to the busdrivers identity.

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This pretty much sums it up right here. Chap is the busdriver because he didn't vote him the last day. He willingly ignores the possibility of a scum busdriver and even more simply ignore the fact that there could be a reason for a town busdriver to drive him in an attempt to get him killed.

As for allegations of skimming, I think you are relying too much on the scene to solve you problems rather then any true scum hunting. Just my two cents.

And for the last point, I talk to dead people? You was used in the plural sense, and I am frankly not certain who you even thought I was referring too.
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby BGtheBrain on Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:55 pm

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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby Iron Butterfly on Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:53 pm

edocsil wrote:No indication of a busdrive, just flavor as to who Dexter is supposed to kill. Others may feel differently on this point, but that is my opinion.


So between this post and seven others, including several by BG you make a complete 180. You now believe there IS a bus driver and blockers. Considering Saf has claimed being one that is not a giant leap of logic.

You still not have answered my question on why you think BG killed / or thought he did. Saf answered for you and you never explained your logic. You chastised / for not hammering BG and implied he paid the price. Why?
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby thechuck51 on Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:03 pm

I'm not the busdriver
vodean wrote:i think saf's claim clears BG. it means that BG could not have been responsible for the N1 SK kill. so someone else must be the SK. you guys are digging too hard. roleblocker, rather, is a very ambiguous role, and could swing town or mafia.

I agree with this.
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby edocsil on Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:25 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
edocsil wrote:No indication of a busdrive, just flavor as to who Dexter is supposed to kill. Others may feel differently on this point, but that is my opinion.


So between this post and seven others, including several by BG you make a complete 180. You now believe there IS a bus driver and blockers. Considering Saf has claimed being one that is not a giant leap of logic.

You still not have answered my question on why you think BG killed / or thought he did. Saf answered for you and you never explained your logic. You chastised / for not hammering BG and implied he paid the price. Why?


You want to quote where I say there is not a a busdriver or a doc?
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby Iron Butterfly on Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:51 pm

edocsil wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
edocsil wrote:No indication of a busdrive, just flavor as to who Dexter is supposed to kill. Others may feel differently on this point, but that is my opinion.


So between this post and seven others, including several by BG you make a complete 180. You now believe there IS a bus driver and blockers. Considering Saf has claimed being one that is not a giant leap of logic.

You still not have answered my question on why you think BG killed / or thought he did. Saf answered for you and you never explained your logic. You chastised / for not hammering BG and implied he paid the price. Why?


You want to quote where I say there is not a a busdriver or a doc?


I knew you would argue semantics.

There was every "indication" of a bus driver in the scene. You say there is no "indication". You can play woird games all you like.

You still have not answerd the / question.

Ya know what...f*ck it.Vote edocsil
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:57 pm

Unvote Safari if you blocked him both nights then no way he could be one of the killers from the first night so voting him for that is retarded. It would be different if you had only blocked him on Night 1. In regards to who is the busdriver and all there is no reason for the busdriver to claim at this point in the game other than it telling everyone who dexter tried to kill on night 1. However, with only one death last night, I find it possible that the mod did not let mafia kill itself if a busdrive did occur between a mafia member and scum. As such, I am going to go ahead and announce that I am the busdriver. Lt. Esme Pasca is my character.

Night 1 I drove Iron Butterfly and Shaggy
Night 2 drove Safari and Chap
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby chapcrap on Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:33 pm

I missed a little bit of time and I kind of happy that there weren't more posts in this game, but also kind of sad that more action hadn't happened.

First of all, I'm not going to just start claiming, BG. Whether or not I'm a busdriver or some other roll, I'm not just going to claim out of the blue to try and save someone who you think might be a certain role.
LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Unvote Safari if you blocked him both nights then no way he could be one of the killers from the first night so voting him for that is retarded. It would be different if you had only blocked him on Night 1. In regards to who is the busdriver and all there is no reason for the busdriver to claim at this point in the game other than it telling everyone who dexter tried to kill on night 1. However, with only one death last night, I find it possible that the mod did not let mafia kill itself if a busdrive did occur between a mafia member and scum. As such, I am going to go ahead and announce that I am the busdriver. Lt. Esme Pasca is my character.

Night 1 I drove Iron Butterfly and Shaggy
Night 2 drove Safari and Chap

Second of all, wow... I can't believe that you claimed. Kind of silly almost. Just a reminder... Busdrivers can be town and anti-town.

From my point of view on this day, I agree with most of what Iron Butterfly is saying. Just like yesterday, it seems to me like safariguy5 and edocsil are the ones I would vote for at this point.
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby safariguy5 on Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:34 pm

Fair enough. Not convinced about the VT claim, but we could have more interesting cases. I suggest revisiting it later, but for now, I will unvote vote chap due to LSU driving me and him.
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby chapcrap on Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:37 pm

safariguy5 wrote:Fair enough. Not convinced about the VT claim, but we could have more interesting cases. I suggest revisiting it later, but for now, I will unvote vote chap due to LSU driving me and him.

Vote me, based on someone else's claim and after I say that I would vote you?

Great logic.... NOT!
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby edocsil on Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:24 am

Whatever IB. I already said I was using You as a a plural, I don't really care if you saw it or not. Even if I wasn't who cares if I called out / for it, he was the one who paid the price for the retarded decisions yesterday.

Something doesn't make sense with Saf's latest post and the claimed actions. I want to get my spreadsheet going before I make any substantial claims, but I think either LSU or Saf is lying.
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby Epitaph1 on Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:50 am

The more I think about it, the more I think saf is a lyncher. BG and chap hinted at this yesterday, and it makes more sense with his claim. Doakes' sole objective in Season 2 was to catch Dexter, he didn't even care that much about his police duties. Notwithstanding his most recent vote on chap (which doesn't make a damn bit of sense), he has relentlessly sought BG's head.

Saf claims that he roleblocked BG twice. The first night, Dexter killed but last night he didn't. LSU says that he didn't switch BG either night. Based on this, BG isn't Dexter (or the other killer for that matter). I don't think the scene suggests Dexter was roleblocked anyway. It sounds like Dexter either couldn't find his target or somehow drove off his target.

Although, I can see how initially saf thought he roleblocked Dexter last night, he couldn't have thought that BG was Dexter after N1.

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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby chapcrap on Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:43 am

Epitaph1 wrote:The more I think about it, the more I think saf is a lyncher. BG and chap hinted at this yesterday, and it makes more sense with his claim. Doakes' sole objective in Season 2 was to catch Dexter, he didn't even care that much about his police duties. Notwithstanding his most recent vote on chap (which doesn't make a damn bit of sense), he has relentlessly sought BG's head.

Saf claims that he roleblocked BG twice. The first night, Dexter killed but last night he didn't. LSU says that he didn't switch BG either night. Based on this, BG isn't Dexter (or the other killer for that matter). I don't think the scene suggests Dexter was roleblocked anyway. It sounds like Dexter either couldn't find his target or somehow drove off his target.

Although, I can see how initially saf thought he roleblocked Dexter last night, he couldn't have thought that BG was Dexter after N1.

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I think this is an astute observation of tactics. I know not about the series, so I have to take people's word about possible roles, because I haven't the time to delve into investigating the series right now. In any case, it seems a lyncher would fit the situation.

Now, I'm not sure that clears BG, LSU, or edocsil. But, I do think that there has been something amiss with safari this whole game. So, I will vote him again today. unvote vote safariguy5
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby strike wolf on Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:51 am

Vote Count

Bgthebrain (1)-Edocsil
Edocsil (1)-Iron Butterfly
LSU
Safari (1)-Epitaph
Chap (1)-Safari
Vodean
Epitaph
Chuck
Ironbutterfly

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby chapcrap on Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:25 am

strike wolf wrote:Vote Count

Bgthebrain (1)-Edocsil
Edocsil (1)-Iron Butterfly
LSU
Safari (1)-Epitaph
Chap (1)-Safari
Vodean
Epitaph
Chuck
Ironbutterfly

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

I voted for saf in the post right above yours. :D
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby edocsil on Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:53 am

Alright, my thoughts. This is a bit of a risk for me one way or another, but I think it is one worth taking.

I was blocked last night. Strike knows better then to have more then one role blocker or busdriver. There is no way to balance night actions without some arbitrary method that is bastard moding at best. (ie whoever submits first or something) This means that someone has lied. Between saf and LSU I trust saf a far bit more, and his character is pretty much certain to be in the game PASCAL (it was misquoted in LSUs claim) is a little bit less certain, but in this season she was a prominent, if temporary character.

Just going to lob this out here for now, I will post more on it after classes today.
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby Epitaph1 on Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:12 am

edocsil wrote:Alright, my thoughts. This is a bit of a risk for me one way or another, but I think it is one worth taking.

I was blocked last night. Strike knows better then to have more then one role blocker or busdriver. There is no way to balance night actions without some arbitrary method that is bastard moding at best. (ie whoever submits first or something) This means that someone has lied. Between saf and LSU I trust saf a far bit more, and his character is pretty much certain to be in the game PASCAL (it was misquoted in LSUs claim) is a little bit less certain, but in this season she was a prominent, if temporary character.

Just going to lob this out here for now, I will post more on it after classes today.


I'm going to have to chew on this for a while. I had to look up Pascal even though I've seen seasons 1-5 and consider myself a fan of the show. I hadn't considered the fit between the character and the role. Now that I think about it, the first question that comes to me is: why is the police chief VT and a bit part the bus driver?

Perhaps we have to put more weight on the idea that the 2nd killer, whoever keeps torching people, is not acting alone.
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby safariguy5 on Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:22 am

Epitaph1 wrote:
edocsil wrote:Alright, my thoughts. This is a bit of a risk for me one way or another, but I think it is one worth taking.

I was blocked last night. Strike knows better then to have more then one role blocker or busdriver. There is no way to balance night actions without some arbitrary method that is bastard moding at best. (ie whoever submits first or something) This means that someone has lied. Between saf and LSU I trust saf a far bit more, and his character is pretty much certain to be in the game PASCAL (it was misquoted in LSUs claim) is a little bit less certain, but in this season she was a prominent, if temporary character.

Just going to lob this out here for now, I will post more on it after classes today.


I'm going to have to chew on this for a while. I had to look up Pascal even though I've seen seasons 1-5 and consider myself a fan of the show. I hadn't considered the fit between the character and the role. Now that I think about it, the first question that comes to me is: why is the police chief VT and a bit part the bus driver?

Perhaps we have to put more weight on the idea that the 2nd killer, whoever keeps torching people, is not acting alone.

It could be the second killer is an arsonist and was just priming someone on Night 2. Last Dexter game, the poisoner SKer won in the end, so we may have delayed NK's.

Regardless, I feel like it's gotten to the point this game where chap won't believe anything I say, so I'm not surprised that he'd vote me. If nothing, I've been consistent in my behavior. Once I felt BG was lying, I focused my actions on him. I'm still of the opinion that BG's claim doesn't fit, but this mystery roleblock is more concrete evidence of someone lying.
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby chapcrap on Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:41 pm

safariguy5 wrote:chap ...I'm not surprised that he'd vote me.

You're not surprised? Is it because I voted you yesterday? Or because before I voted you today, I said that you were the person I would vote for?
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Re: Dexter Mafia S2. 9/13. Day 3: Echoes of the Lost

Postby vodean on Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:45 pm

just so you know there is also a jailkeeper running around
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