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Is there any difference between Romney and Obama?

 
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby tzor on Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:07 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:I already know Obama will not work with Congress, not even to pass a budget. Countries get downgraded when things like that happen


Do you actually still believe that's what happened, or are you just trying to push that view on other people?


Obama's budget was once unamously rejected by his own party in the Senate and a year later in the House. The definition of not working with congress is clearly defined when no one in your own party would vote for it. I mean at least one would have said something but no one says a lot.

Obama is no Clinton.

And yes, the official explanation on the downgrades is failure to work on a budget.
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby bedub1 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:07 pm

Phatscotty wrote:I already know Congress will not work with Obama, not even to pass a budget. Countries get downgraded when things like that happen, and everyone who lives in that country or uses that countries currency, quite literally, will pay the price for those downgrades.

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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:16 pm

bedub1 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:I already know Obama will not work with Congress, not even to pass a budget. Countries get downgraded when things like that happen, and everyone who lives in that country or uses that countries currency, quite literally, will pay the price for those downgrades.

FTFY


Did we send Obama a new Congress in 2010? Or did we send Congress a new President?

Extremely obvious point #2...CONGRESS PASSED A BUDGET, and a balanced one at that
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:44 pm

In an exclusive interview with POLITICO today, Ralph Nader declared Barack Obama an international war criminal who must be tried, convicted and imprisoned for crimes against humanity. He went on to say Obama was "worse than George Bush" and that the Democrat Party was a "sick ... decaying" organization.

Ralph Nader wrote:He thinks the world is his plate, that national sovereignties mean nothing, drones can go anywhere. They can kill anybody that he suspects and every Tuesday he makes the call on who lives and who dies, supposed suspects in places like Yemen and Pakistan and Afghanistan, and that is a war crime and he ought to be held to account.

We’re dealing with a real sick, decaying Democratic Party that can’t defend the country against the cruelest, most ignorant, most anti-worker, most war-mongering, most Wall Street–indentured Republican Party in its history, since the 1850s.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/09 ... z27WIdANGM
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:49 pm

Looks like PhatScotty has been banging Madonna again ...

At a concert in Washington, D.C. on Monday, Madonna declared her support for President Barack Obama but sounded confused about his religion.

ā€œY’all better vote for f------g Obama, OK? For better or for worse, we have a black Muslim in the White House,ā€ the singer said emphatically into the microphone. ā€œNow, …that’s some amazing s----t. It means there is hope in this country.ā€

http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/201 ... 36585.html
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:19 pm

saxitoxin wrote:Looks like PhatScotty has been banging Madonna again ...

At a concert in Washington, D.C. on Monday, Madonna declared her support for President Barack Obama but sounded confused about his religion.

ā€œY’all better vote for f------g Obama, OK? For better or for worse, we have a black Muslim in the White House,ā€ the singer said emphatically into the microphone. ā€œNow, …that’s some amazing s----t. It means there is hope in this country.ā€

http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/201 ... 36585.html


I thought Madonna was British.
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby Woodruff on Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:29 pm

tzor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:I already know Obama will not work with Congress, not even to pass a budget. Countries get downgraded when things like that happen


Do you actually still believe that's what happened, or are you just trying to push that view on other people?


Obama's budget was once unamously rejected by his own party in the Senate and a year later in the House. The definition of not working with congress is clearly defined when no one in your own party would vote for it. I mean at least one would have said something but no one says a lot.

Obama is no Clinton.

And yes, the official explanation on the downgrades is failure to work on a budget.


That last statement is the only relevant one, and it had absolutely as much to do with Congressional Republicans as it did with Obama.
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:41 pm

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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:47 pm

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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:52 pm

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One difference!
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:54 pm

I'm not defending anything. You make the claim, you provide the evidence. That's how science works.
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:02 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:Image



I have three oranges and three apples.

I want to compare them, so I'll make a graph.

The left bar shows 2 oranges. The right bar shows 1 apple.

Gee, wha' happened?
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:02 pm

I didn't know universities could donate to presidents...


Top Contributors - Barack Obama (D)
#1 University of California $703,781



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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby GreecePwns on Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:06 pm

Need moar government-sponsored loans! Need moar $2000/year tuition hikes!
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:19 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:Image


This picture is a good case study in the effectiveness of the Democrat-Republican dictatorship.

In 2008 line 1 (I didn't read beyond that) of the two branches of The One Party's platform were identical - the GOP didn't want a constitutional amendment, they just didn't want gays to marry. The Democrats also didn't want a constitutional amendment, and they also didn't want gays to marry.

    Dictatorships need to mobilize as much participation as possible so they can legitimize their rule. If 51% of the population voted, that means a majority endorsed the system of government. If less than that number voted, that means the government is ruling over an unconsenting population. Ergo, parties occasionally boycott elections to depress turnout, as recently in the case of Belarus (though, Belarus is a necessary dictatorship to defend itself from NATO). So, when The One Party is expecting voter turnout to drop, they pick an issue or two that are highly emotional - but ultimately irrelevant - and take extreme positions on the opposite side of each other. This rallies the braying body politic to charge, like a herd, to the polls to endorse the dictatorship. It's a highly efficient tactic to rally the Lowest Common Denominator who are dumb to the fact they've been played
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby tzor on Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:42 pm

Woodruff wrote:That last statement is the only relevant one, and it had absolutely as much to do with Congressional Republicans as it did with Obama.


But if you can't get a single person in your own party to vote for your budget, why in hell are you complaining about the opposition?

I mean he is the President. The Senate is in his party and he could not get a single vote from his own party on his damn budget from them.

The Congressional Republicans passed a budget knowing that the Senate would not approve it; but it couldn't even approve the President's budget.

Either the president is totally incompitent ...

Or he really doesn't want to be constrained by a budget in the first place.

(I think the real case is the later, but considering how near impossible it was for him to pass Obamacare when he had controll of everything, the former is also possible.)
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:34 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:I'm not defending anything. You make the claim, you provide the evidence. That's how science works.


I'm just counting. This is the first real difference I've seen in this thread so far.
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby Woodruff on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:29 am

tzor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:That last statement is the only relevant one, and it had absolutely as much to do with Congressional Republicans as it did with Obama.


But if you can't get a single person in your own party to vote for your budget, why in hell are you complaining about the opposition?


You're actually taking the stance that the President did not submit a budget that anyone in his party was willing to vote for? Or are you trying to hang your hat on one instance?

Yeah...that's what I thought.

I know you want to pretend that Congressional Republicans are as pure as the driven snow and would never stoop to running this country into the ground by playing partisan politics, but your pretension is becoming stale already. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:42 pm

tzor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:That last statement is the only relevant one, and it had absolutely as much to do with Congressional Republicans as it did with Obama.


But if you can't get a single person in your own party to vote for your budget, why in hell are you complaining about the opposition?



But of course the person who refuses to work with Congress is going to blame the other party, but it doesn't mean you have to take his word and his talking points balls deep in the face of simple reality, Obama did not work with Democrats either.

Obama will not work with Congress, so we need a President who can.

When the shit hits the fan, I prefer to have a functioning government...
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby warmonger1981 on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:44 pm

did anyone think that we all been getting played by both democrats and republicans. people willing to ride or die for their cause but still getting rammed up the ars by the same pole..political leaders they go by different names but still fight for the same cause. its called absolute power....
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby General Brock II on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:57 pm

I think it should be Romney simply because we know he isn't afraid to speak his mind... Certainly his comments aren't appreciated by everybody, but he's not bowing and scraping like Obama, either. :P

As I see it, Obama has made America's situation indubitably worse. Whether or not Romney can stabilize it, he should at least appreciate how to manage the budget and cut extravagant expenditures and possibly even bureaucracy. Obama's had his turn... It's time for somebody else.
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:58 pm

warmonger1981 wrote:did anyone think that we all been getting played by both democrats and republicans. people willing to ride or die for their cause but still getting rammed up the ars by the same pole..political leaders they go by different names but still fight for the same cause. its called absolute power....


May I introduce you to the Progressive wings of the Democrat and Republican 1 party system. Both parties rode Washington for a few decades, right into the ground.
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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:05 pm

Phatscotty wrote:May I introduce you to the Progressive wings of the Democrat and Republican 1 party system. Both parties rode Washington for a few decades, right into the ground.


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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:11 am

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Re: Romney and Obama: Is There Any Difference?

Postby Woodruff on Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:13 am

General Brock II wrote:I think it should be Romney simply because we know he isn't afraid to speak his mind... Certainly his comments aren't appreciated by everybody, but he's not bowing and scraping like Obama, either. :P


Say what? Romney's position changes so frequently, how can you know what "his mind" is? As well, "speaking his mind" behind closed doors to his supporters doesn't really count, does it?
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