JK9++ ENDGAME Mafia Wins

[betiko]

Lol, I'm not sure how you still don't get it Iron Butterfly. I don't think it can really be explained any more at this point, so whatever.

Final mafia member is either trini or betiko.

Vote betiko

You nhave not really explained anything so why dont you humor me so explain what I dont get.

lol... the same though was running through my ind and what Vio has been doing. If it wasn't for the fact that jonty had cleared her on N2 she would have been my prime suspect for today. looking at the votes it seems that we have 1 on almost everyone but myself so Vote trinicardinal for now.

vio has no vote as well. why not go for no lynch then trini?

because you've already voted for no lynch. next thing you know we might end up getting a majority on no lynch and we enter tomorrow in LYLO with no real discussion and we're in a worse position than today.

Also IB voted for Vio.

We vote wrong its game over. Violet just swept in and hammered with out comment before hand. Everyone seems to think she is Town, which I have never understood.
Vote Violet

I'm extremely surprised that you missed that betiko. Is it that you are skimming or looking for an opportunity to speed hammer? FOS betiko for now for that blatant miss.

hum really? how could we be in a worse position tomorrow with a no lynch, please explain to me.

[betiko]

oh and sorry missed the second part of your post. yeah fail from me, iron was the one with no vote not vio.

[trinicardinal]

hum really? how could we be in a worse position tomorrow with a no lynch, please explain to me.

As far as I am concerned we will be in a worse position tomorrow with a FAST no lynch today with practically no discussion.... don't get me wrong here... no lynch today is always a possibility but if we use it its because we've gotten a lot of discussion from today that will be helpful tomorrow. Other than that is just a waste of a day and bringing us to LYLO instead of MYLO

and speaking of discussions here's a quick summary of what I have seen so far,

IB - cleared by jonty on N3 which is the night that I think we have all agreed that the busdrive would most likely have been used. N2 being a little too early, any time after being unnecessary.

so possibilities -

IB is mafia but wrongly "cleared " because of busdrive OR

IB is not mafia and jonty tracked the wrong person.


Vio - cleared by jonty N2 (considered too early for busdrive) recent votes and activity from her have been a bit strange . Votes have been accompanied by little explanations and actually look somewhat like bandwagons. Honestly if it wasn't for the N2 check she would have been a prime suspect for me. but I still think N2 was a bit early for the bus drive.


possibilites

Vio is mafia but wrongly "cleared " because of busdrive OR

Vio is not mafia.

betiko

aside from myself he's the only one not cleared so definitely a possible mafia member (the same goes for me). has been very active for town and pushes a lot for cases... I'm starting to sound like sam now.


All this leaves me still confused and I'm definitely going to have to dig around some more in relation to all of this. My problem remains that I still cannot 100% clear anyone at this stage of the game. Vio is the closest to being clear but there still remains that little lingering question about her.

[betiko]

my point isthat i'm so confused right now that lynching the wrong person would make us los so i'd rather know that there are just 3 peeps alive. hats off to the last mafia. If it's IB, you were so lucky with your busdrive and you really played well your day 1 when I pressured your scumbuddy and you pushed hard for the lynch.
If it's vio you got really lucky with a night 2 busdrive and doing a very witty case on count belisle (that was actually a serial killer and a threat to mafia, as proved after night 1)
If it's trini you really seemed to be scumhunting as when you were town in the other game we played together, great pokerface. anyway right now I m running out of ideas, so the best thing seems a no lynch in my opinion.

[trinicardinal]

my point isthat i'm so confused right now that lynching the wrong person would make us los so i'd rather know that there are just 3 peeps alive. hats off to the last mafia. If it's IB, you were so lucky with your busdrive and you really played well your day 1 when I pressured your scumbuddy and you pushed hard for the lynch.
If it's vio you got really lucky with a night 2 busdrive and doing a very witty case on count belisle (that was actually a serial killer and a threat to mafia, as proved after night 1)
If it's trini you really seemed to be scumhunting as when you were town in the other game we played together, great pokerface. anyway right now I m running out of ideas, so the best thing seems a no lynch in my opinion.

You're confused, I'm confused... I don't know about IB and Vio... I just came out of a 4 hour meeting and have a major headache... and I'm having a hard time trying to figure out where we go from here. I don't even have the information I had in that other games so I can't build as many cases. I'm going to have to go through the posts. that's the only way. for now Unvote, Vote no lynch till I sort out some of that stuff.

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count

No Lynch (2) - Betiko, trinicardinal
Betiko (1) - VioIet
VioIet (1) - Iron Butterfly

[Iron Butterfly]

campin's last post in here was on the 12th and he posted stuff on cc until the 16th.
he's been avoiding my question. I think the rules of this game favour way too much scum, with such a fix deadline and the obligation to cast votes... don't think we'll get a claim in the deadline and we need to avoid a lynch then... we need to be more organized on day 2.

Why would we need to avoid a lynch? If they are not participating they are not helping. There is no reason NOT to post at least once per day especially if you are present for other things on the CC site.

ok I think I have found what I need to end all this BS.

The only real evidence we have to prove anything is in the vote patterns and the best way is to look at it was how folks voted for Campin. we all know he was mafia. Violet kept her vote on him so that convinces me she is Town. Trin was the one who pointed out that he was playing other games but not posting. I voted Campin and beleived him scummy.

If you notice with the above post by Betiko when push comes to shove he would rather no l;ynch then vote someon who is a power role. He wants to play it safe. We know Campin flips mafia. Betiko is going for a no lynch.

It wasn't a few posts earlier that Batiko was saying I would never vote a no lynch.

Heres why I really beleive Betiko is scummy and made me really re read AGAIN. I cant believe I missed it.

betiko is now advocating a NO LYNCH so we don't lynch the wrong person, which would give Mafia a free kill. that would leave three. We all MUST vote so whoever posts first must VOTE all Betiko has to do is mirror their vote and game over Betiko wins.

Betiko was playing Mr math all game and to say somthing so blatently wrong statistic wise really was his downfall.

Vote Batiko

[Iron Butterfly]

ok guys, what is your plan?
whoever has the most votes at the end of the day will get lynched, even if we didn t reach the majority. the scum are playing with the clock. we need to start digging randomly on someone; or place a majority of votes on no lynch.

here again he is pushing a no vote with pressure heavy on campin.

[Iron Butterfly]

Why do I need to explain why claiming on day 1 is bad?? Do i need to fos all of you...or link you to a basic how to guide on mafia???
@chuck...couldnt care less about campin...did i mention him...or reference him??
All I did was pick up on betiko's obvious slip..."we need to make someone claim to get a real discussion going on real evidence. Not sure yet who I want to make claim first"
you dont need to make someone claim to get a discussion going...Shit like that gets discussion going no?

in that case why are you voting me instead of no lynch, please be logical. let's say votes start piling up on me and I end up at l-2; well then of course I would claim. you would then become the instigator of my claim though. or do you expect people not to claim at l-2?

I will never go for the no lynch option, lynching someone everyday is our only way to get info and chances to kill scum.

On page 10 Betiko posted this before he advocated a no lynch when the heat was on Campin, Talk about a sudden shift.

We have our man folks!! I cant believe we missed this.

[betiko]

Why do I need to explain why claiming on day 1 is bad?? Do i need to fos all of you...or link you to a basic how to guide on mafia???
@chuck...couldnt care less about campin...did i mention him...or reference him??
All I did was pick up on betiko's obvious slip..."we need to make someone claim to get a real discussion going on real evidence. Not sure yet who I want to make claim first"
you dont need to make someone claim to get a discussion going...Shit like that gets discussion going no?

in that case why are you voting me instead of no lynch, please be logical. let's say votes start piling up on me and I end up at l-2; well then of course I would claim. you would then become the instigator of my claim though. or do you expect people not to claim at l-2?

I will never go for the no lynch option, lynching someone everyday is our only way to get info and chances to kill scum.

On page 10 Betiko posted this before he advocated a no lynch when the heat was on Campin, Talk about a sudden shift.

We have our man folks!! I cant believe we missed this.

I don't know if you're skimming on purpose or not. Basically lovo wanted to avoid anyone to claim on day one and wanted to go for a no lynch for that. I started pressuring campin at some point asking twisted questions and he was avoiding me all along, then he softclaimed a power role and didn't show up again, the deadline was coming and he was going to get killed by the deadline. Did we have that much evidence at that point that he was scum? answer is no! now please remove asap this vote on me because if trini is the mafia you just gave him the game!

and your thing acusing me of no claim today is either scummy or plainly stupid. wouldn't you rather be just 3 of us to have only to chose between 2? right now we have to chose between 3. Anyway, if trini comes back and doesn't vote for me I will be sure he is clear and it's either one of you who is scum.

[Iron Butterfly]

Nope we have you.

read the posts. It has nothing to do with skimming and everything to do with Campin Starting from page 10.

You say out front you will never support a no lynch. As the pressure builds on Campin you play along putting pressure, which is a common mafia tactic when pressure is on a scum buddy. You say you wont no lynch and then try to push a no lynch because the heat is on Campin. You are very sly during the process. You act like your asking and putting pressure on campin while at the same time trying to act like like you are not role fishing. Its kind of funny to watch.

You know Campin is on the hot seat and will most likely get lych so what better way to look Town then to throw him under the bus. Its a key Mafia tactic and Ive used it myself. Before you do that your trying to convince folks to no lynch because we want to lynch him for being a no show.

You were also very smart yetserday as we almost lynched you but I played it foolish. You cleared me with my posts which brought my guard down on you.

Your BIG mistake was advocating a NO LYNCH. It is an easy trap to fall in. We dont kill the wrong person but mafia gets a fee kill. You conveniently left out the fact that we have to vote when we post. Whoever posts first you would mirror them and thats endgame. Even if a person votes No lynch ...all you do is vote No lynch and go for the night kill game over.

[Iron Butterfly]

I agree, it seems strange that Campin hasn't posted in so long, especially when we begin applying the pressure on him. Normally respond more after some votes have been placed on him- so it could be true that hasn't been very active on he site for the past few days.

Redhedge does seem scummy, so FOS him for now. I'm more interested in the Campin case though.

This is where the pressure on campin starts. Page 12. Trin brought it up first quickly followed by violet.

page 10 you quote you will never no lynch. Up until pressure was on campin for submarining there were some mixed votes are on you...Sam had been counted twice.

From page 12 pressure quickly esculates on Campin and Betiko all of a sudden becomes an advocate for a No lynch not once but twice. Im for lynching him for being a no show and Violet sets her vote on him as well. Betiko does all he can to deflect a lynch on Campin. he also leads him by the hand to claim something knowing its do or die.

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count

No Lynch (2) - Betiko, trinicardinal
Betiko (2) - VioIet, Iron Butterfly

Both at L-1

[trinicardinal]

looks like we got him alright. Unvote, Vote betiko

[DoomYoshi]

That's game.

[DoomYoshi]

betiko is dead. Betiko can write his lynch scene.

The rest of you get to write your endgame scenes.

[DoomYoshi]

Mod comments:

From PM to players:

Who won? Go check the end of the thread to find out!

Thanks for playing, all. It was a great game. For those of you lucky enough to survive to Day 4, it was one of my favourite days to read. I hope you had fun posting scenes.

Betiko actually proved to be the strongest town player here, even though he lost the game in the end. FTR, it is better to no lynch at 4 players because if you mislynch, you lose. That way town has to pick between 3 other players. At 3 players, it is the same. If you mislynch, you still lose but you only have to pick between 2 other players.

Also, the busdrive wasn't used N3. It was used N4 to give jonty an incorrect track result just as he died.

Good game all.

[Iron Butterfly]

Mod comments:

From PM to players:

Who won? Go check the end of the thread to find out!

Thanks for playing, all. It was a great game. For those of you lucky enough to survive to Day 4, it was one of my favourite days to read. I hope you had fun posting scenes.

Betiko actually proved to be the strongest town player here, even though he lost the game in the end. FTR, it is better to no lynch at 4 players because if you mislynch, you lose. That way town has to pick between 3 other players. At 3 players, it is the same. If you mislynch, you still lose but you only have to pick between 2 other players.

Also, the busdrive wasn't used N3. It was used N4 to give jonty an incorrect track result just as he died.

Good game all.

That would be logical IF you did not have to mandatory vote for someone. With three players if you are forced to vote and are wrong you still lose even if you vote no lynch. THAT was why I found it suspicious. It would have been perfect logic to no lynch if we did not have to mandatory vote someone.

Second If you look at how all four of us voted and reacted to campin, with the way Betiko suddenly wanted to No lynch instead of lynching...just seemed scummy. We had nothing to go on. that was all I can find...and with the No Lynch Mandatory vote...

GG all

[trinicardinal]

yep, Once we reached down to this stage the mandatory vote was always going to be a danger to town. I had planned to ask DY to allow that to be skipped tomorrow if we had reached there to add to my town cred... luckily it never reached that stage.

[samgrossy]

I wish I had been more active during the middle of the game. It would have made me more believable when I came storming out when it hit me Betiko was the last scum. In the end though, town won. Thank god IB found that quote. I kept looking and I knew it was buried somewhere, but I could never find it because Betiko's posts were always sooooo long and had sooooo much info. It's almost like you couldn't help but skim sometimes.

So betiko, question. When you claimed me to not be scum, before I pushed on you so hard, was it because I was inactive and you thought I was a "safe" target and would just let it all happen? I just want to know if I was thinking about it right.

Good game, Doom. Sorry I was as inactive as I was. But you did a great job. Are you gonna post roles and night actions? just wondering.

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[Iron Butterfly]

I wish I had been more active during the middle of the game. It would have made me more believable when I came storming out when it hit me Betiko was the last scum. In the end though, town won. Thank god IB found that quote. I kept looking and I knew it was buried somewhere, but I could never find it because Betiko's posts were always sooooo long and had sooooo much info. It's almost like you couldn't help but skim sometimes.

So betiko, question. When you claimed me to not be scum, before I pushed on you so hard, was it because I was inactive and you thought I was a "safe" target and would just let it all happen? I just want to know if I was thinking about it right.

Good game, Doom. Sorry I was as inactive as I was. But you did a great job. Are you gonna post roles and night actions? just wondering.

Im not sure who won but I think Trin was the scum and not Betiko.

Why extend the torture with a night scene? Justb tell us.

[DoomYoshi]

The fish was bad and the dog was looking at him funny. To top it all off he made it past the first audition for X-factor...God Britney looks hot. He knew singing After Noon delight would rock the judges world,

There was a knock on the dressing room door. IB said," Who is it." The unkown voice answered, "Land Shark"
IB smiled..."Cmon Britney I know its you."

As he opened the door the dog farted.

At the door stood Betiko and Trin both smiling and holding flowers and a pizza, they were dressed as Two Wild and Crazy guys.

IB burped and a fishbone got caught in his throat...the last words he uttered were....WHO THE f*ck WON THE GAME????

As the sun set on the still hanging figure of betiko he quickly headed out to his last Victim. Catching her totally unawares he made quick work of it. A single shot rang out and VioIet dropped dead just as she was about to enter her house for the last time. Satisfied that he had fulfilled his mission he headed home himself for a celebratory drink. Iron Butterfly (VT) has been ENDGAMED. trinicardinal and Campin Killer (Mafia) win!

[DoomYoshi]

Yea, I guess th emandatory vote rule doesn't make sense in later days. The reasoning behind that is so that people can't just sit around, they are forced t take a stand, one way or the other.

[pancakemix]

Yea, I guess th emandatory vote rule doesn't make sense in later days. The reasoning behind that is so that people can't just sit around, they are forced t take a stand, one way or the other.

It doesn't really make sense at all. Especially for people like me with plodding logic running through their heads.