nietzsche wrote:
What does Immigration has to do with it? If the US didn't need the cheap labor it would had stopped the immigration 60 years ago. But hey! what I'm I saying I forgot you guys are on moral high grounds.
you attack me for being an american, that's what it has to do with immigration. as for moral high ground, I never said otherwise... but what ground do you stand on? is your country free from strife, free from strong taking advantage of the weak? look inside your own borders as well my friend.
nietzsche wrote:
And I didn't "praise" anything. The US could use the money they spend on war to give it's citizens free education and you could have an education without the wars. You got me wrong.
did I misread when you said
nietzsche wrote:Hmm. I don't think I like to consider it that way. In a similar way, you could think of all the jobs that it create. Thousands of young souls that don't know what to do, can join the army, get some training and come back a little more mature and with a nice savings account.
yet condemn me for jojning the military, getting some training, etc etc?
nietzsche wrote:But you prove my point too, thanks for that: you are looking only at the opportunity of getting an education and some savings afterwards, you don't care the innocent killed, why would you?.
can't say as I've ever killed anybody... have you ever killed anybody? I know that the US military has indeed killed innocent civilians, and I think it's horribly wrong. I honestly believe there are a number of things we are doing wrong... but we do the best with what we have. I'm a grunt, a nobody. do you seriously believe those generating the military policy will listen to me? as a voter perhaps, but not as a soldier.
nietzsche wrote:I never said I wanted to exclude militars, did I? I think you didn't read my posts at all. The reason I don't want Americans is that I believe that in order not to feel bad about yourselves, you have gobbled up any cover ups that your media spoon feeds you. You were told many things about how you should feel awesome because your brothers went overseas to fight for freedom. It's impossible to expect from you to deconstruct your ego and protection mechanisms and admit the truth: America goes overseas and kills innocent people, then puts people in power that will kill more innocent people, grabs the resources that belong to others and, that not being enough, they say they did it for their own good! .
"Thread to discuss American Military Pos. for non-americans" is the title of this thread no? seems rather excusionary of military to me... I would like to emphasise here: not "my brothers" though my younger brother is also in the military... me.
I have gone overseas,
I have had people dropping bombs on me,
I have been in a country where people want me dead. you may have similar experiences at home, I wouldn't know... but despite this, I haven't bought the media bullshit, I don't think america is the hero in all this, I don't think a lot of the things you wanted to exclude americans for based on us being americans... I'm not the only one making assumptions... read my last paragraph in answer to your last sentence.
nietzsche wrote:You (fadedp) have been fairly rational in your posts, yet in here you assumed I said 2 things I didn't, and answered throwing a nationalized Ad Eminen attack to me. Shows my point, you have conflicting thoughts in the matter, you can't help it! You belong to your nation, you are an American.
I maike no claims to neutrality in this one, and I'm not going to try. you attack both who and what I am in the same breath and not expect me to respond? sorry pal, not going to happen this time... though next time I try an Ad Eminem I'll make sure it rhymes better and has more anger and cursing