Romney Talks international policy.

[Juan_Bottom]

Romney is dangerous. To secure the nomination for president he has abandoned his middle-road strategy and changed his positions on national issues like gun control and health care to a hard conservative's. Remember when all the Republican's absolutely LOVED to attack Kerry as a flip-flopper? The shoe is on the other foot.
As governor, his state fell far behind in job growth, Obama is kicking his ass there in all polls, and he had his own records as governor shredded by state employees. So if you can't trust him now, why would you trust him in the white house?


There is also a rumor, arguably perpetuated by Herman Cain's own people, that Team Romney was behind all those woman coming forward and saying Cain was a rapist of some kind. Herman Cain, for his part, has confirmed that he believes that it was a directed attack from one of the other candidates, and that he has some evidence, but not enough proof to make the accusation. It's probably unfair as an American to lay this at Romney's feet just yet, but the job of President is a big deal.

[Woodruff]

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Oh...I thought you lived in Pennsylvania? So your problem is that the Party isn't directly in the town you live in? Well Jesus Christ, if that's the best excuse you've got, that's some weak shit.

No, its that they have essentially zero support around here. And, there are some pretty good reasons for that, which I meantioned earlier. (but can repeat, if you wish)

And, like I said before.. crow all you want about "voting green", but if Obama loses by a slim margin, then you can thank the green party for allowing Romney to win. I am not happy with that outcome, though it seems you are.

THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, PLAYER. Romney SOUNDS worse because he's playing to his party's base. Have you looked at his policies as Governor? My God, he's Obama but white. I am not happy with being a sellout, though it seems you are.

He doesn't just sound worse, he IS worse.

Based on? His policies as Governor, I presume? Because you don't have much to go on otherwise, do you?

I have his words and his constant flip-flopping, in ability to be exact about things I consider important, such as taxes... and an ability to be all too clear in the wrong direction about things like International relations.

I dislike Bush, but at least he did believe in what he said, for the most part. That was part of his problem.. he thought his way was the only way. I dislike him, but respect him far more than Romney. Romney actually did some good things as governnor... but is now backing off from every single good thing he did.

Most of politics is not decided at the polls. Our choices there are narrow. The effort has to come long before. The green party HAS failed there. That is evidenced by their lack of support. You can whine about how folks are not voting green.. or you can get out and figure out why. So far, your claiming my vote will somehow furthe endanger democracy instead of just trying to ensure the biggest jackass ever won't make president... is pretty much proving my point.

No, he was the President before Obama.

Romney would be far worse.

Hell, Obama's not far from it, frankly. Other than the two data points of ObamaCare and DADT, I'm having difficulty seeing any difference.

Healthcare reform act is a pretty big one, given it will mean the difference between my family having insurance and medical care and not.

HIs approach to education is better. Not great, but better. And, he has a much better grasp of foreign relations, even though he falls short of what I would wish in many cases. He largely did what he set out to do, though not necessarily in the time frame he set out.

The green party barely made a dent in Northern California, the entire time I lived there. They have not changed since then. In fact, they have gone from trying to slowly build support to whining over not having it.

You don't even know the very basics about the party, PLAYER...you keep demonstrating that.

I know what they claim.. .and what they are. But fine, enlighten me.

I have been. Three times now I've had to correct you on things regarding the Green Party. You're making statements about them that do not hold water, as I've shown you from their own website. It's not like I had to do any significant research.

No, actually you have not done that at all. You have said I was wrong, but have definitely not demonstrated it. Saying that the nominee is making an appearance in Williamsport is not saying anything about the real green party in PA or its effectiveness.

The green party has a LONG way to go. Rather than whining about not being in the presidential debate... a piece of nonsense anyway, they should be out talking to individuals, convincing them that their policies are good and actually trying to garner local support. They should concentrate on more and more local races, until they actually have a real base.. THEN, and only then will they be in a position to shoot for the presidency. That WAS the plan initially, but they failed. They failed because it became the party of essentially any extreme liberal view, even nonsensical ones, rather than a party of comparison. Further, they don't bother to really convince people their extreme views are correct. They "preach to the choir", and far too often just insult those who oppose them.

Every answer you gave in this post tells me that you didn't bother to read anything I wrote. Hell, I was originally talking about "what Romney said" and you changed that to his being actually worse rather than just sounding worse...but then your proof of that is WHAT HE FREAKING SAID. So if you're not going to bother to read, never mind. Go ahead and vote for the guy that won't do anything about the Patriot Act or closing Guantanamo, and I'm glad your conscience can live with that in light of your family getting health insurance. I'm done trying to show you how you're a sellout. You really are just as deluded as Phatscotty is.

[Juan_Bottom]

http://www.npr.org/2012/06/13/154583216 ... e-big-deal

I'm going to take back everything that I said about his "middle road" policy.

[PLAYER57832]

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Every answer you gave in this post tells me that you didn't bother to read anything I wrote. Hell, I was originally talking about "what Romney said" and you changed that to his being actually worse rather than just sounding worse...but then your proof of that is WHAT HE FREAKING SAID.

Now you are drawing lines where there are none. I dislike Romney, I even more distrust him. He implemented some reasonable policies in his state, but now is BOTH decrying them on the one hand, and holding them up as proof of his competence on the other. The guy is a slime ball. Like I said, I dislike Bush, but at least he did believe his own garbage. Romney makes it clear he doesn't. That is pretty scary.

Obama has not followed through on everything, but a leader has to deal with many opposing forces. I do wish Obama had done some things differently, but he shows far more integrity than Romney, by a long shot.

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So if you're not going to bother to read, never mind. Go ahead and vote for the guy that won't do anything about the Patriot Act or closing Guantanamo, and I'm glad your conscience can live with that in light of your family getting health insurance.

I see, so your issue is more important than my issue, never mind that I actually disagree with your claim that its Obama's fault that Guantanamo is not closed... seems like the US Congress stepped in and declared any movement of the detainees here to be illegal. Per the Patriot Act, I agree it is wrong. However, I am realistic enough to know that if Romney wins, it will be much, MUCH worse. You want to pretend otherwise.

If you consider me a "sell out" for picking the health and well being of my kids over some worthless attempt at protest.. fine. I say that attitudes like that are EXACTLY WHY our country has gone further and further to the right.. becuase too many liberals think its their right to just condemn everyone who doesn't agree fully with them, who doesn't take the steps they take, for any reason.

I get my kids vaccinated. I have a garden, I buy mostly local, but I am not vegetarien. I don't use plastic when I can help it. I do use paper bags or cloth or boxes. I don't buy water in bottles unless we are stuck without access to water due to someone's screw up. I did not go sit in Redwood trees, I learned to restore fish streams. I did not blockade logging trucks, I talked to loggers and foresters, dsicovered ways to log reasonably.. and helped push for legislation to accomplish those things. I did not sit in front of bulldozers when redwoods were being logged, but I also did not stay out of the woods when my colleague was shot. When I saw drainage problems here in my current area, I talked and talked and talked to ALL the representatives.. Republican or Democrat, as well as people of influence not in political office. I don't blockage the Frack trucks or put up signs on my yard. I DO talk to them, and to other people.

The Green Party is good at talking, but not very good at rolling up sleeves and getting work done or talking to people who don't agree.

Worse, you want to pretend as if the Green Party has a chance of even reaching the 5% mark, and that it actually matters.

The real truth is that if the Green Party really started to gain power, it would begin to have to face real and true attacks. It would have to solidify all its positions and decide what it really wants to go for, instead of just trying for everything supposedly liberal, which is pretty much what it does now. I know there are people in the Green Party who should be intelligent enough to actually do something real. They don't. Instead, they prefer to blame the "establishment" for not "giving them a chance". In politics.. no one "gives" anyone a chance. You work for it, you earn it. The Green Party has mroe than a leg behind, but they are not helping matters by pretending that all they have to do to be "real" is get 5% of the vote.. or get into the presidential debate. They need to bring their debate day by day, person by person, not just to friends, but everywhere. And, when folks don't listen, they need to step back and figure out why. In many cases, the matter is education. Folks they are talking to just don't believe what they are saying. THAT is where their battle should be, but it truly is not.

I'm done trying to show you how you're a sellout. You really are just as deluded as Phatscotty is.

I could say what you sound like, but I think you might see it as an attack.

The Green Party is not getting my vote because no one running right now deserves my vote. I have little respect for them because they DID have chances, several times, in the past... and blew them.

Obama will get my presidential vote because I prefer him over Romney.

[Woodruff]

If you consider me a "sell out" for picking the health and well being of my kids over some worthless attempt at protest.. fine. I say that attitudes like that are EXACTLY WHY our country has gone further and further to the right.. becuase too many liberals think its their right to just condemn everyone who doesn't agree fully with them, who doesn't take the steps they take, for any reason.

People voting for the right (as you are) are EXACTLY WHY our country has gone further and further to the right. You are voting to continue that process of moving to the right. You like to pretend that "moderately to the right" is so much better than "a bit more than that to the right" when the reality is that there isn't an appreciable difference. I guess that's what salves your conscience.

Worse, you want to pretend as if the Green Party has a chance of even reaching the 5% mark

Well, we would, if the people who allegedly support them would actually vote for them.

and that it actually matters.

That it certainly does.

The real truth is that if the Green Party really started to gain power, it would begin to have to face real and true attacks. It would have to solidify all its positions and decide what it really wants to go for, instead of just trying for everything supposedly liberal, which is pretty much what it does now. I know there are people in the Green Party who should be intelligent enough to actually do something real.

You're really disassociated from the Green Party, it seems. What you state as your beliefs about the party have been consistently in error.

And, when folks don't listen, they need to step back and figure out why.

Probably because they're too busy buying into the establishment.

I'm done trying to show you how you're a sellout. You really are just as deluded as Phatscotty is.

I could say what you sound like, but I think you might see it as an attack.

Sure, Phatscotty.

Obama will get my presidential vote because I prefer him over Romney.

A truly sad state of affairs.

[saxitoxin]

I recently found out, just as an example, that our local middle and high school no longer teaches about the Holocaust because its "too controversial".

Player, I think you have to concede you live in an atypically backwards place that is probably not representative of very much but a tiny sliver of North America. The stories you tell about the locality in which you live border on the utterly bizarre; increasingly so with each new anecdote.

In that sense, comments in this - and other - threads may be unjustified in criticizing you too heavily. You're clearly dealing with an extremely unusual set of circumstances to which the vast majority of the public may not be able to relate. This is probably a good case study of the idea that "all politics are local."

[saxitoxin]

Anyway, back to the Zionists. In today's issue of Pat Buchanan and Taki Theodoracopulos' anti-Israeli magazine American Conservative, former CIA case officer Dr. Phil Giraldi says Israel is perpetrating a massive disinformation campaign with threats to attack Iran and that Romney and Obama are both intentionally aiding it.

On balance, all of the above suggests that the frequently repeated threat by the Israeli leadership to attack Iran is not a serious plan to take out Iran’s nuclear sites. It is more likely a long running disinformation operation to somehow convince the United States to do the job or a deliberate conditioning of the Israeli and US publics to be supportive if some incident can be arranged to trigger an armed conflict. If one believes the two presidential candidates based on what they said in Monday’s debate, both have more-or-less conceded the point, agreeing that they would support militarily any Israeli attack on Iran. Whether Romney or Obama is actually willing to start a major new war in the Middle East is, of course, impossible to discern.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... bomb-iran/

[thegreekdog]

I recently found out, just as an example, that our local middle and high school no longer teaches about the Holocaust because its "too controversial".

Player, I think you have to concede you live in an atypically backwards place that is probably not representative of very much but a tiny sliver of North America. The stories you tell about the locality in which you live border on the utterly bizarre; increasingly so with each new anecdote.

In that sense, comments in this - and other - threads may be unjustified in criticizing you too heavily. You're clearly dealing with an extremely unusual set of circumstances to which the vast majority of the public may not be able to relate. This is probably a good case study of the idea that "all politics are local."

I grew up in a nearby area to where Player lives (i.e. the "t" in Pennsylvania). We were taught the Holocaust. But that was 15 years ago so maybe things have changed.

[thegreekdog]

Anyway, back to the Zionists. In today's issue of Pat Buchanan and Taki Theodoracopulos' anti-Israeli magazine American Conservative, former CIA case officer Dr. Phil Giraldi says Israel is perpetrating a massive disinformation campaign with threats to attack Iran and that Romney and Obama are both intentionally aiding it.

On balance, all of the above suggests that the frequently repeated threat by the Israeli leadership to attack Iran is not a serious plan to take out Iran’s nuclear sites. It is more likely a long running disinformation operation to somehow convince the United States to do the job or a deliberate conditioning of the Israeli and US publics to be supportive if some incident can be arranged to trigger an armed conflict. If one believes the two presidential candidates based on what they said in Monday’s debate, both have more-or-less conceded the point, agreeing that they would support militarily any Israeli attack on Iran. Whether Romney or Obama is actually willing to start a major new war in the Middle East is, of course, impossible to discern.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... bomb-iran/

I'm assuming that Taki Theodoracopoulous is actually Greecepwns.

[karel]

all we do is kiss isreals ass,let them handle there own problems,why should we get draged into their shit,screw isreal.

[saxitoxin]

Anyway, back to the Zionists. In today's issue of Pat Buchanan and Taki Theodoracopulos' anti-Israeli magazine American Conservative, former CIA case officer Dr. Phil Giraldi says Israel is perpetrating a massive disinformation campaign with threats to attack Iran and that Romney and Obama are both intentionally aiding it.

On balance, all of the above suggests that the frequently repeated threat by the Israeli leadership to attack Iran is not a serious plan to take out Iran’s nuclear sites. It is more likely a long running disinformation operation to somehow convince the United States to do the job or a deliberate conditioning of the Israeli and US publics to be supportive if some incident can be arranged to trigger an armed conflict. If one believes the two presidential candidates based on what they said in Monday’s debate, both have more-or-less conceded the point, agreeing that they would support militarily any Israeli attack on Iran. Whether Romney or Obama is actually willing to start a major new war in the Middle East is, of course, impossible to discern.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... bomb-iran/

I'm assuming that Taki Theodoracopoulous is actually Greecepwns.

Taki wrote a great obit for Gunther Sachs last year, that had a touching pic of Gunther on his 75th b-day.

Taki Theodoracopulos mourns the passing of Gunther Sachs



A typical Parisian day for Rubi and myself went as follows: we’d wake up around 9am (I lived in his house with him and his last wife, Odile), breakfast in his large garden, then box in his ring for 30 minutes or so, put on our boots and jodhpurs, drive into the Bois de Boulogne, where the polo club was located, and work the ponies. Then we’d meet our wives or girlfriends, as the case may be, lunch with them and friends like Gunther, a de Ganay or two, or perhaps ale heir Mark Watney and the great Belgian tennis champion Philippe Washer, then drop the wives off to go shopping, and more often than not we’d go over to Madame Claude’s, the most elegant and exclusive brothel in the City of Light.

Dinner time was party time, followed by a de rigueur visit to Jimmy’s, the Boulevard Montparnasse nightclub that lasted for 20 years and was the school for budding playboys. The next morning, however badly one felt, it would start all over again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/8512 ... d-RIP.html

Anti-Israeli conservatives sniff Bolivian marching powder off the chests of Latin beauty queens. Pro-Israeli conservatives have as much fun as the body at an Amish funeral.

[PLAYER57832]

I recently found out, just as an example, that our local middle and high school no longer teaches about the Holocaust because its "too controversial".

Player, I think you have to concede you live in an atypically backwards place that is probably not representative of very much but a tiny sliver of North America. The stories you tell about the locality in which you live border on the utterly bizarre; increasingly so with each new anecdote.

In that sense, comments in this - and other - threads may be unjustified in criticizing you too heavily. You're clearly dealing with an extremely unusual set of circumstances to which the vast majority of the public may not be able to relate. This is probably a good case study of the idea that "all politics are local."

I grew up in a nearby area to where Player lives (i.e. the "t" in Pennsylvania). We were taught the Holocaust. But that was 15 years ago so maybe things have changed.

Yes, this is a recent change. A LOT of stuff has changed. Its the old "frog in water" bit. Small changes are not noticed until... the change is quite big only changing it back is very difficult.

[saxitoxin]

It looks like Ayman al-Zawahiri is trying to get a cabinet appointment in the Obama and/or Romney White House ...

Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri has called on Muslims to kidnap Westerners, join Syria's rebellion and to ensure Egypt implements sharia, SITE Monitoring reported on Saturday, citing a two-part film posted on Islamist websites.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/ ... me=topNews

[saxitoxin]

500% Increase in Drone Attacks on Babies and the Elderly Under Obama

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... _bush.html

[BigBallinStalin]

Reported non-militants killed: unknown.

Good enough for government data collection!