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vodean wrote:I am D1. therefore i support the theory that on your day you get to double-vote. i also disagree that only mafia are nights. think about it. if we mislynch, then the mafia kill a townie (day), moving us into another night phase where the mafia kill another day. and so on and so forth. that would only be survivable if town was seriously OP, or if there were a large number of competing scum factions, which would screw town over. so there must be night-townies.
NoSurvivors wrote:So, IB isn't a mafia double voter, as far as we know, but didnt vode say he was a double voter?
-3 minute interval-vodean wrote:I am D1. therefore i support the theory that on your day you get to double-vote. i also disagree that only mafia are nights. think about it. if we mislynch, then the mafia kill a townie (day), moving us into another night phase where the mafia kill another day. and so on and so forth. that would only be survivable if town was seriously OP, or if there were a large number of competing scum factions, which would screw town over. so there must be night-townies.
found it.. so vode said there might be double voting each day... but you guys think mafia has some sort of manipulator role going on? So does that mean that if say IB votes his anon on jonty and the mafia can pull it off him and put it on kanin (for example)?
jonty125 wrote:ghostly447 wrote:2 anon's. Edocsil was prob wrong about his assumption there were no mafia double voters.
Pretty bold statment to make. I'd be surprised if mafia DIDN'T; as there seems to be a lot of vote manipulation roles.
Nendreel wrote:In a game with potential back to back Days it would make sense for maf to have some vote manipulation abilities to try and cause mislynches in order to compensate for a lack of night kills.
pancakemix wrote:edocsil wrote:You are right bet critisism =/= vote. I will vote PCM for placing a vote on that ludicris case vs IB
Beg pardon? He said his vote would go one way, an anonymus vote went another way. Who's to say he was even responsible for that vote? You yourself suggested the possibility of a scum double voter yesterday, so I can't see you having a mind to doubt the possibility. That's not even accounting for the whole PM business, which is a serious breach of the rules and I'm surprised no warning or modkill was handed down.
At this point, it can't be denied that he's got a double vote with the vote on betiko, but he could still be scum (again, your own suggestion opens up that possibility). Granted, that doesn't make it fact, but it doesn't discount it. Unless, that is, you know something we don't. Matter of fact, it seems odd to me you're just willing to follow simply because his vote exists.
@IB: You keep saying "when there was no need to". Why would you say there was no need? Scum always have need of town cred. That's ridiculous to suggest that there would be no value in bussing a scummate.
Iron Butterfly wrote:NoSurvivors wrote:So, IB isn't a mafia double voter, as far as we know, but didnt vode say he was a double voter?
-3 minute interval-vodean wrote:I am D1. therefore i support the theory that on your day you get to double-vote. i also disagree that only mafia are nights. think about it. if we mislynch, then the mafia kill a townie (day), moving us into another night phase where the mafia kill another day. and so on and so forth. that would only be survivable if town was seriously OP, or if there were a large number of competing scum factions, which would screw town over. so there must be night-townies.
found it.. so vode said there might be double voting each day... but you guys think mafia has some sort of manipulator role going on? So does that mean that if say IB votes his anon on jonty and the mafia can pull it off him and put it on kanin (for example)?
"I am day 1 therefor I support the theory that on your day you get to double vote."
That is pretty much an admittance of being the day one double voter. He supports the theory because he is day 1. On day one there was a double voter. Why not just come out and say that is what happened?
There is also a difference between a vote manipulater and double voter. All I can do is vote. one regular and one secrete, though I no longer have the right to a secrete vote for obvious reasons. Greg was a vote manipulator as he could suppress a vote.
I have stated before for several reasons, the main one being Dooms disclaimer, that I beleive the game is all about the voting. Im sure there are some night actions but on the whole....
vodean wrote:god. for people who love to insult my intelligence, you arent very bright. i was not in control of my second vote. i said this. if it was me, and im not sure it was, it was placed automatically on the person i was voting. once we get a vote count confirming IB's votes as being on two different people i will unvote. untill then we have not seen that IB is a true double-voter, and regardless we dont know that he is town.
NoSurvivors wrote:vodean wrote:god. for people who love to insult my intelligence, you arent very bright. i was not in control of my second vote. i said this. if it was me, and im not sure it was, it was placed automatically on the person i was voting. once we get a vote count confirming IB's votes as being on two different people i will unvote. untill then we have not seen that IB is a true double-voter, and regardless we dont know that he is town.
I wasn't insulting your intelligence. You're probably 100x smarter than I am (which isn't hard but still point made?)
Anyhow then you aren't a double voter if you can't control your own vote (unless your theory is correct) so yeah I'm wondering who day 6 is at this point, I'd want them to throw a vote out there at random to see if it's true (I know it's kinda scummy but it's been picking at my brain this whole time lol) put the vote on me if it makes you feel any better..
vodean wrote:god. for people who love to insult my intelligence, you arent very bright. i was not in control of my second vote. i said this. if it was me, and im not sure it was, it was placed automatically on the person i was voting. once we get a vote count confirming IB's votes as being on two different people i will unvote. untill then we have not seen that IB is a true double-voter, and regardless we dont know that he is town.
betiko wrote:NoSurvivors wrote:vodean wrote:god. for people who love to insult my intelligence, you arent very bright. i was not in control of my second vote. i said this. if it was me, and im not sure it was, it was placed automatically on the person i was voting. once we get a vote count confirming IB's votes as being on two different people i will unvote. untill then we have not seen that IB is a true double-voter, and regardless we dont know that he is town.
I wasn't insulting your intelligence. You're probably 100x smarter than I am (which isn't hard but still point made?)
Anyhow then you aren't a double voter if you can't control your own vote (unless your theory is correct) so yeah I'm wondering who day 6 is at this point, I'd want them to throw a vote out there at random to see if it's true (I know it's kinda scummy but it's been picking at my brain this whole time lol) put the vote on me if it makes you feel any better..
apparently you've missed this but IB is day 6 and he said he can't "triple vote". That's what I was explaining in my previous post but I admit it's hard to follow, with "game days" and "day nameclaims" put together in the same phrases as "day". This theory is pretty unlikely with IB's revelations, supposing he's telling the truth.
Iron Butterfly wrote:vodean wrote:god. for people who love to insult my intelligence, you arent very bright. i was not in control of my second vote. i said this. if it was me, and im not sure it was, it was placed automatically on the person i was voting. once we get a vote count confirming IB's votes as being on two different people i will unvote. untill then we have not seen that IB is a true double-voter, and regardless we dont know that he is town.
Why is it you assumed that because you are day one you must have a double vote based on the fact an anon appeared on the person you voted for? That vote could have come from anyone. If that is your sole reason for creating this theory you are a bigger fool then I thought.
betiko wrote:I think claims should be done at l-3
jonty125 wrote:betiko wrote:I think claims should be done at l-3
I disagree, I think claims should stay @ L-2, and that's because at L-3, you're barely halfway towards been lynched, so claiming seems a little premature but with so many vote manipulating / double voting etc. I can understand you actually might be a lot closer.
new guy1 wrote:I would say let the "votes" add up to where they are at L3 but wait to see if any of the voters had double votes already on when doom gives an official vote count.
jonty125 wrote:new guy1 wrote:I would say let the "votes" add up to where they are at L3 but wait to see if any of the voters had double votes already on when doom gives an official vote count.
I don't quite understand what you're saying? A vote is a vote. Why should a double vote be counted differently?
Nendreel wrote:jonty125 wrote:new guy1 wrote:I would say let the "votes" add up to where they are at L3 but wait to see if any of the voters had double votes already on when doom gives an official vote count.
I don't quite understand what you're saying? A vote is a vote. Why should a double vote be counted differently?
vodean wrote:we could always not vote anyone at all ever and just use FOSes (or use FOSes to move people from L-3 to L-2) to show the pressure without the risk.
e.g. voting FOS on vodean
Commander9 wrote:Rodion wrote:Vote Commander9 for being Commander9.
I am convinced by your argument.
Vote Commander9.
Kanin Usagi wrote:Why would I claim unless I have actual votes on me? That's my thinking anyways. If you don't pressure with something substantial, then there is no point. There's no guarantee that if you say "FOS-vote Player" that you'll be on again before deadline to make an actual vote. It doesn't matter if someone has twenty FOS-votes, because once deadline hits then only lynches matter. As far as I'm concerned, the best pressure is actual votes. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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