[Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia Endgame

[jak111]

Again you do not defend yourself Iron. Face it, you're cornered. You can't even come up with a defense because if you tried it convert more eyes on you, which you don't want.

Just answer the questions Iron, what's so hard about that? Hmm?

[Little Witt]

Hello guys, I am the replacement of Swifte,

From just reading the posts people who look suspicious are
jonty125, rishaed, Commander9, and safariguy5 and maybe Iron, still reading). This is just from read half the total posts, I am working my way backwards. Please forgive me if I don't post much, I don't have much experience with this style of mafia, But I understand what you guys are talking about.

[Iron Butterfly]

But I will ask you a set of questions Iron that you deserve a chance to at least defend yourself with.

~ Why do you think the Elder Gods are trying to hide from everyone else?
~ What do you think will happen if they get the book?
~ How many do you believe there to be in the game?
~ Do you truly think they are sided with us if they have a killing ability?
~ Who do you think can win with them if they fulfill whatever their WC is? (Most likely the book from what I know about it)

Answer those questions Iron, don't twiddle around them and be straight up with answering each one. Don't point toward wiki's don't vaguely try to defend your personal self. But just answer the questions in what you believe to be accurate.

1) This is a game of mafia? You would still be hiding if not drawn into the light. You will more then likely be lynched.
2) As far as the book goes I am of the belief that the book is BAD. BAD for humanity be it used by Elder Gods or Outer Gods or whoever
3) Part of the problem is defining who falls under what label...I suspect that Yogothoth name is all over this game like an ant on honey for a reason.
4) when you say" US" who exactly are you referring to? I highly doubt that your win condition would benefit Town or humanity weather you have a kill ability or not.
5) I have no desire for any faction to have the book.

The simple fact is we have a little Goddy by the Toe...You! You can spin and shout all you want about me. The fact is your neck is on the chopping block so you need something to grab onto. We can only lynch one player per day. What makes this game interesting is that there are several folks who would qualify to be lynched. Its a question of who the biggest fish is.

Right now YOU are the big fish for the big fish fry in the sky.

[DoomYoshi]

While I do think that some elder gods are probably celebrating the focus on jak, I am not sure that is enough of a reason to not lynch him today.

Jak and IB should both take a breather for 12 hours though lol.

[Little Witt]

I'm going to vote vote rishaed because he looks a little suspicious after reading the info on him,

[new guy1]

@saf- I will confirm that you are a regular human with the questions privilege. You are nothing more then a human.
@jak- I will take sides when I see a clear result of my actions. In other words, I want more information on the Elder Gods (AKA are they actually evil or are you actually evil, which btw I am thinking Elder Gods on that), but since the Elder God(s) hasn't/haven't come out to announce themselve(s), I would assume either there is one and he has decided not to out himself or there are multiple and they wish to at least speak to each other (given they can not speak during the day) before they make any decisions. I agree that you and IB need to back off of each other for a little while, and I plan to do some snooping tonight, but I do not know if it will be on jak or IB. I will decide though.

fastposted- little witt, he has attached his WC to the Elder Things. We have killed 3 Elder Things already, so there may be more, but I feel as though he is alone now. His lynch is on the back-burner for now.

[jak111]

Meh, Unvote
I got Iron B where I want him for tomorrow's debate but for today we need something to go with. Rishaed is New Guy's and parties enemy at the moment and deadline is tonight (Tuesday, so midnight)

Vote Rishaed

My support is promised as per the vote of Rishaed. But I hope after the night actions tonight and what you find New Guy will be enough that you support my cause in the early morning.

[rishaed]

@saf- I will confirm that you are a regular human with the questions privilege. You are nothing more then a human.
@jak- I will take sides when I see a clear result of my actions. In other words, I want more information on the Elder Gods (AKA are they actually evil or are you actually evil, which btw I am thinking Elder Gods on that), but since the Elder God(s) hasn't/haven't come out to announce themselve(s), I would assume either there is one and he has decided not to out himself or there are multiple and they wish to at least speak to each other (given they can not speak during the day) before they make any decisions. I agree that you and IB need to back off of each other for a little while, and I plan to do some snooping tonight, but I do not know if it will be on jak or IB. I will decide though.

fastposted- little witt, he has attached his WC to the Elder Things. We have killed 3 Elder Things already, so there may be more, but I feel as though he is alone now. His lynch is on the back-burner for now.

THIS^ for 1. B. I don't know why I would be attached to the Elder Things WC considering that they are all dead and I did not Worship Ghostly or the others no matter what Saf says. Saf can you check with / about the PM? With the reads I'm getting I do not know why I would be attached to Ghostly's WC, and the read on X that im getting is a little bit confusing. The only secondary option that I have thought of is that I attached my WC to X and he either attached himself to Ghostly or whatever it is. . . This game is getting quite confusing right now.

[jak111]

Then we shall find out what X is by checking you Rishaed. Although I tend to believe Safari's result. It will prove him to be who he says he is.

[rishaed]

Then we shall find out what X is by checking you Rishaed. Although I tend to believe Safari's result. It will prove him to be who he says he is.

Unfortunately that won't happen. All I think that you will get will be "Aligned Normal Human" lynched if it goes so far. I mean when we lynched elon D1, all it gave us was Suggoth, not his WC, people he was aligned with, and powers. Same with Cops, I mean if you're playing a DETHY scenario you don't get told which cop it was when you were lynched. My vote on you is completely worth it now, because an active and experienced player like you should already know this . But to make sure I will unvote VOTE JAK.

[Rodion]

I can't believe some people are letting Jak off the hook. His interaction with Kanin (the failure to get his mind and the flavour PM / supposedly wrote) is weird enough to raise some red flags. Furthermore, his claim is scummy (survivor-hider that is forced to change targets and dies if he ever finds one of his enemies).

I believe Jak is the cult recruiter and as such he has to be the absolute lynching priority, even before Hippo who has played a ridiculously scummy game. Someone (Jak himself, I believe) tried to deflect from that by saying Strike was the actual recruiter, but the recruiting flavour is still present in night scenes after Strike's death.

[Rodion]

Vote Count

Jak (3) - Rodion, IB, Rishaed
Jonty (1) - PCM
Rishaed (3) - Jonty, Little Witt, Jak

19 alive (/ did say 20 - was that a mistake?), 16 voters (Saf, Betiko and spiesr got no votes), 9 to lynch.

/, deadline extension requested due to inactivity/replacements.

[jak111]

Then we shall find out what X is by checking you Rishaed. Although I tend to believe Safari's result. It will prove him to be who he says he is.

Unfortunately that won't happen. All I think that you will get will be "Aligned Normal Human" lynched if it goes so far. I mean when we lynched elon D1, all it gave us was Suggoth, not his WC, people he was aligned with, and powers. Same with Cops, I mean if you're playing a DETHY scenario you don't get told which cop it was when you were lynched. My vote on you is completely worth it now, because an active and experienced player like you should already know this . But to make sure I will unvote VOTE JAK.

Not sure if you've read what you typed. We don't need the WC, we need which faction you are aligned with. From the death of Chuck it seems an aligned human will mention who/what they are aligned with.

Rodion, you throw some pretty hefty accusations. If I was a recruiter don't you think there'd be 1 or 2 people at least trying to defend me? No one is because I am with no one. Not sure if you've noticed but no one is letting me off the hook, New Guy is checking me tonight in case you skimmed over that part. Try better at reading what is going on at the moment. You've been skimming and it's obvious with your latest posts. I've mentioned I die if I visit an unsealed Elder God. I thought they were already unsealed but as per an earlier scene I noticed they are still sealed unless they claim the book. So now my role makes a bit more sense and with the numbers left it makes further sense.

Although now that you've decided to join us, care to provide input on the Elder Gods? I'm asking this to anyone who thinks I am some bad guy here. So lets hear what you have to say about them? Or do you not care to keep up with recent topics? Read the scenes and tell me if you think you can live with allowing the Elder Gods to survive to find the book.

This is why I didn't care too much to out myself into the public, I do not know which are Elder Gods trying to deflect things upon me and which are town/3rd party that are confused about my role/alignment.

[Rodion]

Rodion, you throw some pretty hefty accusations. If I was a recruiter don't you think there'd be 1 or 2 people at least trying to defend me?

There could be 1 or 2 people trying to defend you, but you never know how people think: maybe they thought Kanin's claim doomed you and decided to distance so they are not killed the following days?

Or maybe there ARE two people defending you?

Vote Count

Jak (3) - Rodion, IB, Rishaed
Jonty (1) - PCM
Rishaed (3) - Jonty, Little Witt, Jak

Not sure if you've noticed but no one is letting me off the hook, New Guy is checking me tonight in case you skimmed over that part. Try better at reading what is going on at the moment.

You might have tricked NG into buying you another day, but I'm not willing to take that risk. I want you lynched today.

You've been skimming and it's obvious with your latest posts. I've mentioned I die if I visit an unsealed Elder God. I thought they were already unsealed but as per an earlier scene I noticed they are still sealed unless they claim the book. So now my role makes a bit more sense and with the numbers left it makes further sense.

It doesn't. Did you check my math on roles? It was already hard to fit everything assuming Commander and co. were Byakhees, but now that they've claimed Yith there is even less room for new factions to appear (gotta save some spots for the mentioned Byakhees, you know...).

Although now that you've decided to join us, care to provide input on the Elder Gods?

I have no idea if they're even in the game. Vodean and you seem to claim they are, but Vodean claims a lot of things without backing them up (which reminds me he hasn't appeared since forever -> actually, I just stopped to check his activity - he's been posting, but he "forgot" to adress my questions - FOS Vodean) and your story is just too convenient. As I said, I don't think any more factions "fit" the 26 roles if you are what you claim to be (and if the Yoshi-humans did not allow any fakes to enter their group).

Besides, if they do exist and are a primary mafia faction like you said, Commander's group will eventually find something fishy and inform us. They have 3 daily searches not to mention eventual Yog-Sothoth questions they may use while controlling people's minds. It's not like they could hide forever.

TL;dr: let's get Jak lynched. It's the best move.

[DoomYoshi]

The elder Gods and Byahkee have both been mentioned multiple times in scenes and in various other things. I doubt vodean would make up a win condition on Ghostly, and magically that win condition turns correct. I am starting to think you may be an Elder God Rodion.

[Rodion]

Oh, was Ghostly's WC magically confirmed? I missed that memo.

I think it's been already proven beyond doubt I'm human.

Yoshi, If you believe in Jak, then please help me with the 26 roles math. Because I don't see how that fits.

[rishaed]

Then we shall find out what X is by checking you Rishaed. Although I tend to believe Safari's result. It will prove him to be who he says he is.

Unfortunately that won't happen. All I think that you will get will be "Aligned Normal Human" lynched if it goes so far. I mean when we lynched elon D1, all it gave us was Suggoth, not his WC, people he was aligned with, and powers. Same with Cops, I mean if you're playing a DETHY scenario you don't get told which cop it was when you were lynched. My vote on you is completely worth it now, because an active and experienced player like you should already know this . But to make sure I will unvote VOTE JAK.

Not sure if you've read what you typed. We don't need the WC, we need which faction you are aligned with. From the death of Chuck it seems an aligned human will mention who/what they are aligned with.

Rodion, you throw some pretty hefty accusations. If I was a recruiter don't you think there'd be 1 or 2 people at least trying to defend me? No one is because I am with no one. Not sure if you've noticed but no one is letting me off the hook, New Guy is checking me tonight in case you skimmed over that part. Try better at reading what is going on at the moment. You've been skimming and it's obvious with your latest posts. I've mentioned I die if I visit an unsealed Elder God. I thought they were already unsealed but as per an earlier scene I noticed they are still sealed unless they claim the book. So now my role makes a bit more sense and with the numbers left it makes further sense.

Although now that you've decided to join us, care to provide input on the Elder Gods? I'm asking this to anyone who thinks I am some bad guy here. So lets hear what you have to say about them? Or do you not care to keep up with recent topics? Read the scenes and tell me if you think you can live with allowing the Elder Gods to survive to find the book.

This is why I didn't care too much to out myself into the public, I do not know which are Elder Gods trying to deflect things upon me and which are town/3rd party that are confused about my role/alignment.

Mind to explain how

16.thechuck51 Victor Sullivan, Normal Unaligned Human, killed night four

Tells us whose faction he aligns with? Plus whatever information that would clear someone would be gone with my lynch. you would get most likely

rishaed Normal Aligned Human, lynched/NK'd night/day whatever

Not much information there. Plus as you see CHUCK WAS UNALIGNED. I bet you that

[Little Witt]

Then we shall find out what X is by checking you Rishaed. Although I tend to believe Safari's result. It will prove him to be who he says he is.

Unfortunately that won't happen. All I think that you will get will be "Aligned Normal Human" lynched if it goes so far. I mean when we lynched elon D1, all it gave us was Suggoth, not his WC, people he was aligned with, and powers. Same with Cops, I mean if you're playing a DETHY scenario you don't get told which cop it was when you were lynched. My vote on you is completely worth it now, because an active and experienced player like you should already know this . But to make sure I will unvote VOTE JAK.

Not sure if you've read what you typed. We don't need the WC, we need which faction you are aligned with. From the death of Chuck it seems an aligned human will mention who/what they are aligned with.

Rodion, you throw some pretty hefty accusations. If I was a recruiter don't you think there'd be 1 or 2 people at least trying to defend me? No one is because I am with no one. Not sure if you've noticed but no one is letting me off the hook, New Guy is checking me tonight in case you skimmed over that part. Try better at reading what is going on at the moment. You've been skimming and it's obvious with your latest posts. I've mentioned I die if I visit an unsealed Elder God. I thought they were already unsealed but as per an earlier scene I noticed they are still sealed unless they claim the book. So now my role makes a bit more sense and with the numbers left it makes further sense.

Although now that you've decided to join us, care to provide input on the Elder Gods? I'm asking this to anyone who thinks I am some bad guy here. So lets hear what you have to say about them? Or do you not care to keep up with recent topics? Read the scenes and tell me if you think you can live with allowing the Elder Gods to survive to find the book.

This is why I didn't care too much to out myself into the public, I do not know which are Elder Gods trying to deflect things upon me and which are town/3rd party that are confused about my role/alignment.

Jak just said something in that post that reminded me of someone I read in the wiki...it was something about Cthulhu and his/its half brother spelled something like hector by much more weird , they are both great old ones I think, but "hector" (that is what I'm gonna call him for this post) is the ruler of some universe and Cthulhu is waiting for something to happen so he could get at his/its half brother... I think Jak is one of those two characters, and I think they are very important characters that should be ridden with, and because of that I am changing my vote unvote vote jak111

[DoomYoshi]

Oh, was Ghostly's WC magically confirmed? I missed that memo.

I think it's been already proven beyond doubt I'm human.

Yoshi, If you believe in Jak, then please help me with the 26 roles math. Because I don't see how that fits.

I do believe that Jak is a recruiter, mostly due to flavor and irregularities in his claim.

However, I don't understand what makes you a cleared human. Unless you are Nendreel's partner, I don't believe you are cleared.

I also don't understand Iron Butterfly's stance on the Elder Gods. He seems to have retracted it, but it didn't sit right.

Also, I am waiting for a satisfactory answer from the Yith as to what use could they have of a role - any role - if all they have to do is survive. All I have to do is survive, but I don't have to target anyone to do that. I can simply take no action at night and be fine.

I also don't understand the Rishaed/Jonty thing.

Right now my biggest red flag is safariguy. Clearly, he is not a yoshi human due to his day 2 posts such as:

The fact that vodean says he can switch alignment troubles me. I'm pretty sure the other people claiming JOAT like human powers haven't said they can do that, and again, I feel like vodean claiming there are multiple 3rd party human roles is either a bluff or a weak cover for cult.

vote vodean

and now he says:

And just FYI, yes I am claiming town human which seems to have been overlooked on these lists.

And then:

I thought that jonty had simply gone a bit insane. Arya comments seem to be a PR of some kind.

I'd like to think that at least I'm cleared as a town JOAT by multiple people. Not sure if possessing the book would make me unstable, but I'd like to think I could be entrusted with it.

So, like what the f*ck.

Rodion. Some questions for you:
Why would the Yith use powers at all if all they have to do is survive. Sure, they want to figure out useful info, but doesn't that seem a bit OP? Are you totally ruling out false results?

Second: why are you willing to fos anyone who rushes conversation day 4, but now on day 5 you just want narrow focus and a wagon?

Third: who do you think Strike recruited?

Finally, if Jak is an Outer God recruiter and we know that the Byahkees and Elder God(s) are in the game, who's to say that they aren't recruiters?

I had a sneaking suspicion earlier, and it seems more confirmed now. Rodion and safariguy have been recruited to the same faction.

Also, I notice how little witt changes the vote after Rodion calls him on it. Good catch there Rodion, but it still is going to take a lot of convincing to prove to me that this isn't cult v cult.

[jak111]

Rodion, there's a few unknowns. 3 max are Elder Gods if they're anything like the Elder Things. We have many roles in this game because it is a diverse set-up. You're right though, there probably are people who snuck into the Yoshi Humans, but right now we're dealing with the unknowns who don't seem to have any faction to claim to.

"Assuming they are in the game" Another who does not fully comprehend the scenes so far. The Elder Gods are the sealed ones mentioned in the Day 4 scene

The final Elder Thing of the group knew it had to keep the Necronomicon away from the waiting sealed Gods.

Since I am not sealed I am not part of the group it mentions. No, the sealed Gods are the Elder Gods. Hopefully they stay sealed so I can hide and live longer.

If I was bad Rodion I'd be pinning the day onto the guy I believe holds the book. But no, I am searching to eliminate the Elder Gods so the book will not be a threat to the people. You seem to let everything else slide around you even when you are faced with cold hard facts. Sure, I'm not the most townie read person in ANY mafia game. But my motives are for the good of the people in this game like other games that I am town or town sided 3rd party.

But do you wish to know a catch to this entire case on me? It's made by people who CLAIM to be able to win with ANY faction, yet they vote the guy who is trying to keep them alive and take out the REAL threat. New Guy and group is doing a fine job helping us out, I'm adding what I can do, and the unaligned humans are adding what they can do. Is there anything that you can add to it besides your opinion? Like actions? Investigations? Or perhaps even night talks? Right now the game is won if we search for the Elder Gods.

1.Little Witt
2.DoomYoshi ~ Unaligned Human
3.spiesr
5.Iron Butterfly ~ Suspected of Elder God but unknown
7.LSU Tiger Josh
9.safariguy5 ~ Town Human
10.new guy1 ~ Alien
11.vodean ~ Unaligned Human
12.jonty125 ~ Unaligned Human
13.Nendreel ~ Town Human
14.jak111 ~ 3rd party Outer God
15.rishaed ~ Elder Thing Aligned Human
18.Commander9 ~ Alien
19.edocsil ~ Unaligned Human
20.thehippo8
21. pancakemix
22. Kanin Usagi ~ Alien
24.betiko ~ Unaligned Human
25.Rodion ~ Human, but I suspect he's changed since cleared

I count 11 people who are ready to help each other achieve their WC's by fulfilling tasks and surviving. 6 unknowns. If we use the Alien's info (which I'm sure they have some) we can probably lower the unknowns even FURTHER. While sure some roles may be recruited if Rodion is right and the Cult is still active, I know we can win with any faction (except I can't win with Elder Gods and nor can anyone else), so let them live. Hopefully they recruited the town humans and we can win once the Elder Gods are dead. Simple enough don't you think Rodion?

But Rodion brings up some interesting points. If the cult is still alive they'd be recruiting the cleared parties (AKA the aliens, Doom, Rodion, etc) So if you are correct Rodion you are saying that I am the cult leader??? Wouldn't that prove the opposite since you would be one of the ones recruited by now?

Either way, I could punch holes in Rodion's argument all day long if I wanted to, but it wouldn't be worth my effort. He has made his decision and I have made mine. I side with the aliens, unaligned humans, and town humans. I help them, they help me.

Though there's another thing I am curious about. Most of us are third party or no party, so this question goes toward the town humans. Do your WC's mention who we must lynch off to win?

Fastposted a few times.

Little Wit, that seems like a quick switch of thought. All Rodion had to do was accuse you of being on my side and you switched. I hope you do realize that if he's telling the truth that he is most likely recruited and not trying to help us.

But Rodion, seriously bud, if you're recruited just out yourself. It's not like we're gonna lynch you or your buddies. We all just need to survive and find the killing faction (Elder Gods) and finish them off. I say we vote as a group. Do we side with the cult, get the town recruited, and have a major multi win? Or do we kill them off as well? I say we side with them. They can work as a major mason group while we work independently to find the Elder Gods.

[DoomYoshi]

Either way, I could punch holes in Rodion's argument all day long if I wanted to, but it wouldn't be worth my effort. He has made his decision and I have made mine. I side with the aliens, unaligned humans, and town humans. I help them, they help me.

Doubtful.

[jak111]

Doubtful.

Oh? Would you not say he is a bit odd playing? He is not cleared from what I can tell and if he was, the cult probably have him by now if the cult don't already have the aliens in their grasp.

After 4 nights the cult should have 5 members in their group. Of the possibilities of whom are recruited, I'd say Rodion, you, Commander, and Pancake are recruited (due to veterans) with the leader being random.

That being said, I believe we can work to an arrangement if the cult decides to out themselves. I for one would be interested for some type of arrangement done so that we may expand our numbers, clear more people, and hunt down the Elder Gods easier. Is there any debate to that idea? I mean assuming people are truthful about their WC's about winning with any faction.

Steps to winning this game easily and with more people winning than losing.

1.) Cult outs and recruits whomever remains of the town humans.
2.) Aliens, me, and unaligned humans hunt down the Elder Gods
3.) Once the Elder Gods are eliminated, I fulfill my WC by having them gone and surviving, the aliens fulfill their WC by surviving, the unaligned humans can win by surviving, the town humans which would then be cult win by surviving and the only people at the loss would be the Elder Gods.

^ Try to prove me wrong, I dare you.

[new guy1]

I will tell doom now, saf being recruited is highly unlikely. I took over his body day 2 (Or was it 3? Oh well) and I did not receive information about his faction changing, which I'm quite sure I would have received since I am in his body. He is a human that can as yog sothoth questions on levels of possible lost sanity, and also dream. I cant remember if that is the same human as doom or the other, but that's what he is. Also, I still don't have a way to prove that all we have to do is survive, but that is my WC. Observe me or whatever to your heart's content, but all I have to do is make sure either my teammates or I live till the end of the game.
On another note, you in fact skimmed jak, because I said that I would pick between you and iron. Just saying.

fastposted by jak- I feel like we talked about spies, but I don't remember if we took over his mind. I will let my teammates tell you his alignment if they took over his mind as i don't have enough time to read all our messages again to see if they did. I know that I didn't at least.

fastposted x2 more- @jak- sorry if I am the only one to find it weird, but are you suggesting that we trust the cult doesnt have an ulterior motive and will fulfill our WC's as well as their own? Call me what you will, but I don't think that is necessarily a good idea.

[DoomYoshi]

I will tell doom now, saf being recruited is highly unlikely. I took over his body day 2 (Or was it 3? Oh well) and I did not receive information about his faction changing, which I'm quite sure I would have received since I am in his body. He is a human that can as yog sothoth questions on levels of possible lost sanity, and also dream. I cant remember if that is the same human as doom or the other, but that's what he is. Also, I still don't have a way to prove that all we have to do is survive, but that is my WC. Observe me or whatever to your heart's content, but all I have to do is make sure either my teammates or I live till the end of the game.
On another note, you in fact skimmed jak, because I said that I would pick between you and iron. Just saying.

fastposted by jak- I feel like we talked about spies, but I don't remember if we took over his mind. I will let my teammates tell you his alignment if they took over his mind as i don't have enough time to read all our messages again to see if they did. I know that I didn't at least.

fastposted x2 more- @jak- sorry if I am the only one to find it weird, but are you suggesting that we trust the cult doesnt have an ulterior motive and will fulfill our WC's as well as their own? Call me what you will, but I don't think that is necessarily a good idea.

So why have you stayed in his body instead of trying to hop around and "clear" other players. Also, why would the book be safe in your hands if you are not even in control of your own hands safariguy?

[spiesr]

Since I am not sealed I am not part of the group it mentions. No, the sealed Gods are the Elder Gods. Hopefully they stay sealed so I can hide and live longer.

We only have your word to go on for this.

But Rodion, seriously bud, if you're recruited just out yourself. It's not like we're gonna lynch you or your buddies. We all just need to survive and find the killing faction (Elder Gods) and finish them off. I say we vote as a group. Do we side with the cult, get the town recruited, and have a major multi win? Or do we kill them off as well? I say we side with them. They can work as a major mason group while we work independently to find the Elder Gods.

Town can't win with cult, (I think?) and recruiting all the townies is not a viable option. So any potential cults need to be killed as well. If there are any anti-town recruiters alive they need to be the number one priority.

You seem to let everything else slide around you even when you are faced with cold hard facts. Sure, I'm not the most townie read person in ANY mafia game. But my motives are for the good of the people in this game like other games that I am town or town sided 3rd party.

The only "facts" you have been able to provide so far are some parts from the scenes that seem to reference the existence of Elder Gods. You haven't been able to provide anything to prove your own role beyond the temporary mason with Commander. And that doesn't really prove anything beyond that you actually talked to him.