[Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia Endgame

[Nendreel]

The first is about the book. If you haven't noticed the dead have been rising lately from the scenes without seeing who died and was ressurected. This is due to the book being used among you. I believe I know who has it due to a scene I quoted earlier. From the info I know, The Elder Gods wish to ressurect the army of the dead. Using them to kill off everyone else and claiming victory for themselves.

Now this next part is very interesting to me. I said I am immune to being converted, but I did not mention how the retailiation is upon the one who tries to. The consequence is death, that is why I assumed Strike was the cult.

First, your claim name is a servant of Azathoth who appears to be our recruiting faction
Second, you just suggested a few pages ago that being recruited might be a good thing for everyone.
And finally, you skimmed past the part where I claimed responsibility for the ressurections. The Necronomicon has nothing to do with it.

vote jak

[DoomYoshi]

@betiko: for the third time, being undead doesn't alter WC. Why do you insist that it does?

[betiko]

When is night? shouldn't that start today?

unless it changed, the deadline should be today.

yeah i have to say jak is also putting cult win in his multifaction win condition if you noticed... a tell?

@IB; you know that ignoring my question since day 3 is not going to prevet me from doing it over and over again? I guess that you know that and you want to gain time since the day is almost over, but I uess everyone noticed by now I've asked you like 4 times to confirm that you are unaligned, not 3rd party nor town.

@doom: I just have trouble believing that being undead changes nothing at all for you. Why even be undead? if it means that you can't be saved by neendrel a second time I see a reason, otherwise it has to be something about your WC or your perks that changes, but I guess you won't tell us.

where are edoc and hippo? haven't seen them in ages.

[betiko]

by the way little witt, have you had the time to catch up completely? as you can see swifte said close to nothing till now, I hope you will contribute more than him.

oh and this game is a total new experience for all of us, not just you don't worry! have you played mafia games in this subforum before though? I don't think I've ever seen you..

[Rodion]

Sooooo many walls to read!

Rodion. Some questions for you:
Why would the Yith use powers at all if all they have to do is survive. Sure, they want to figure out useful info, but doesn't that seem a bit OP? Are you totally ruling out false results?

Second: why are you willing to fos anyone who rushes conversation day 4, but now on day 5 you just want narrow focus and a wagon?

Third: who do you think Strike recruited?

Finally, if Jak is an Outer God recruiter and we know that the Byahkees and Elder God(s) are in the game, who's to say that they aren't recruiters?

I had a sneaking suspicion earlier, and it seems more confirmed now. Rodion and safariguy have been recruited to the same faction.

Also, I notice how little witt changes the vote after Rodion calls him on it. Good catch there Rodion, but it still is going to take a lot of convincing to prove to me that this isn't cult v cult.

1 - I don't know. Being a survivor does not mean you have to be vanilla. You can have powers and use them, nothing wrong with that. Now, do I think the Yith have been 100% upfront with us? No, I do not. Their alleged WC is just too easy: having 1 out of 3 members survive. I don't know what they are hiding, but I know that:
a) all 3 members are exposed
b) they can't both possess minds AND recruit (that would be OP), so they are not the recruiter we are looking for

That allows me to conclude we should focus on trusting them for now, lynch Jak and go from there. They're still 3 out of 19, it's not like trusting them for 1 or 2 days (even 3) would allow them to run away with the game.

2 - D4 had other things to be discussed (Hippo/Vodean/Nendreel, for instance) and the deadline allowed for more conversation if I recall things correctly. All those things that had to be discussed are clear for me now: Hippo is scum, Nendreel ressurects people and Vodean is a fool (maybe also scum-aligned). D5 deadline is today and Jak only has 3-4 votes out of 9 that are needed. Do you see why we need narrow focus and a wagon now?

3 - I have no idea. I don't even know if he was a recruiter.

4 - Flavour scenes did not mention several recruitments as far as I recall, only the abyssal pipes ones.

Finally, I can't convince you I was not recruited to a cult. Every discussion in that sense would lead to WIFOM and the only way to be sure about that is through night actions (Yog the hell out of me, if you want to). I will not lose the chance to say, however, that your deductions on me have all been ridiculously poor throughout the game.

Either way, I could punch holes in Rodion's argument all day long if I wanted to, but it wouldn't be worth my effort. He has made his decision and I have made mine. I side with the aliens, unaligned humans, and town humans. I help them, they help me.

Doubtful.

And now you managed to land an accurate one. Well done, Yoshi.


@Jak - you say you're the only Outer God in the game. Vodean said there were multiple. Did he lie?

/ says: "abyssal pipes and recruitments"
IB says Wiki says: "abyssal pipes and Outer Gods"
Jak says: "I'm the only Outer God"

Those 3 lines are enough to conclude Jak is the recruiter.

@Vodean - care to comment on why you called Nendreel a liar? Also, you said Ghostly's WC was to get rid of Elder Gods and Outer Gods (in the plural). Jak said he is the only Outer God. Is he a liar? Why don't you vote him?

@someone who asked - town's WC is the standard "threats to the town" (or something close to that - I did not reopen my PM) stuff. We don't know which factions are considered threats.

@whoever commented: Safari is not the only town human JOAT. I've already said I am one too.

@Yith: does Betiko's list of powers include a 1-shot alignment change?

@Jak: I'm not commenting IB's posts because I think he is on the right track (catching you). If you want to get him to claim, by all means do it, but you're the lynch du jour.

[DoomYoshi]

@whoever commented: Safari is not the only town human JOAT. I've already said I am one too.

Safari is saying he is a human like me though. Still JOAT-like, but specifically with a 1xalignment change, the ability to dream, and the ability to ask questions of Yog-Sothoth.

Which of these abilities do you share with safariguy, Rodion? Just the ability to ask questions of Yog-Sothoth?

[new guy1]

@questioner of the yith- I did not attempt to take over jak, kanin did. He was put into his origional body, but no harm was done. One of our abilities is to use the person whom we have control over's abilities. We contemplated using safari's ability to ask yog-sothoth questions about alignments (as we can switch bodies and use the abilities at the same time, last I checked), but because of the risk of leaving either ourselves or safariguy insane, we decided against it, as we do not want either of those to happen. To answer your question directly, I believe betiko asked, we have not tested it and so we do not know if we can go insane and if so to what extent.
@rodion- I dont remember if we took possession of betiko or not, but I will check back and get back to you on that, as if we did, I was not the one to do it, and so I would not know which kind of human he was (as neither commander or kanin specified which kind of human he was). I say the part in parenthises because I know that we did get another human in addition to safariguy, but all that was said was he was human, no specifics from my teamates.

[vodean]

jak is a liar. he is the cult recruiter. i KNOW that. he may still be the only outer god, and he may be willing to work with town. he recruited doom, but more than that i do not know.

[Little Witt]

by the way little witt, have you had the time to catch up completely? as you can see swifte said close to nothing till now, I hope you will contribute more than him.

oh and this game is a total new experience for all of us, not just you don't worry! have you played mafia games in this subforum before though? I don't think I've ever seen you..

i have read every page except pages 20-30...if you think there are any important info that will help me then just say so and I will, I just don't want to waste my time...I still have school homework that tops this.

I do plan on posting a bit more than Swifte.

And this is my first ever mafia game so...
I understand this completely tho.

[jak111]

jak is a liar. he is the cult recruiter. i KNOW that. he may still be the only outer god, and he may be willing to work with town. he recruited doom, but more than that i do not know.

Well the cat seems to be out of the bag. Yes, I am the recruiter. But I am interested in siding with all the survivors, aliens, AND the town.

I wanted to ask about the joint to see people's opinions on it before outing myself, because I can understand how a cult will look evil. But like I said, I am willing to work with people if people work with me. This is my promise to the survivors, that I will make sure they're able to win, however, what I've mentioned about the Elder Gods is NOT false. There's only ONE reason I'd die trying to recruit one of the unsealed ones and that is because they would be the MAFIA faction.

Although now that I am outed, I ask that the remaining town try to be found over the next few nights. I will only be recruiting town as they would lose otherwise. I have one target already for tonight, but tomorrow we will need another town to change their WC so they may win as well.

New Guy and gang, my apologies for not being up front, but as you see not everyone takes too well to a cult working with them. We can provide a major mason group that can narrow the enemy quicker. As you may know, I have an agent on the inside of your little posse. But I will not recruit the rest of you as you can keep your powers and we can help one another.

For the unaligned humans, just stay unaligned, if you are aligned, speak when it is your turn to be recruited and we can change your WC as well.

But, now it is time to out the information I know. I know for a fact that Rodion is NOT a human as per a recruit attempt two nights ago.

The abyssal pipes from last night sound again in a person's house, rumbling loudly from the cacophony, as well as the movements of the massive creature within. this time the creature sinks down into the summoning circles, slinking back into the shifting outer chaos of its home realm.

1.) If he was human it would be 100% recruiting ability.
2.) A massive creature does NOT sound like some sort of human to me.

So Rodion, your cards must now be put onto the table, because you are not who you say you are.

As far as voting goes, Unvote Vote Iron, he has proven he does not wish to work with anyone but himself (and perhaps Elder God allies)

So I would request help in swaying the vote count, the people under my control do not change if I die and I cannot help the remaining town win if I die. I am fully willing to work with the town, survivors, and aliens to achieve a WC that benefits us all.

What do you say? Can you trust me enough that when I say I want a shared WC?

Fastposted once.

[jak111]

For the record, I had plans of outing tomorrow after tonight's conversation and getting more people on board with my plan, but it's apparent I had to act now if I want the outcome that benefits all of us.

[jonty125]

/ says: "abyssal pipes and recruitments"
IB says Wiki says: "abyssal pipes and Outer Gods"
Jak says: "I'm the only Outer God"

Those 3 lines are enough to conclude Jak is the recruiter.

unvote, vote jak from the evidence above, which when put all together not in walls of text, is fairly obvious now. Recruiter seems to be more threat than rishaed who is defo lying but, what he is I have no idea.

FASTPOSTED

[spiesr]

Aliens, since you rudely took my vote without asking permission please apply it to Jak with all due haste.

[jak111]

Aliens, since you rudely took my vote without asking permission please apply it to Jak with all due haste.

Question, are you an Elder God? If not then why not take me up on my proposition? The only ones I see that CAN have a problem with me are Elder Gods and that's because they can't win with the knowledge of them being the mafia.

[betiko]

@whoever commented: Safari is not the only town human JOAT. I've already said I am one too.

Safari is saying he is a human like me though. Still JOAT-like, but specifically with a 1xalignment change, the ability to dream, and the ability to ask questions of Yog-Sothoth.

Which of these abilities do you share with safariguy, Rodion? Just the ability to ask questions of Yog-Sothoth?

god! when did safari tell you he could change alignment, he said the exact opposite since the start!! You keep on skimming on that one. neither did rodion. They have exactly our abilities, but the worship X one.

@new guy; seems like you never remember much and that your team PMs are veryyy complicated to find. do you have to ask commander each time you need to go wee? Seems to me like you don't dare saying anything before consultance. Are you saying that out of saf, me and spiesr you have 2 humans, as in the third isn't?

@vodean; again. you've done that tons of times. "you know that". be more specific. The only way you can learn anything is through yog as far as we know from you, and only 4 nights have passed by.

@little witt; you have to read absolutely everything and I don't remember what is on what page nor what conclusion you can make of certain details based on things you know and i don't. First mafia and it's this one? lol, well, I don't know what other players think here, but tis one is by far the most complicated I've ever played.

fastposted by jak.

wow. well I seriously don't know. for me it's good as anything. I think he is being as sincere as possible and I don't see that much harm there. SO why would the aliens be able to captive mind rodion and not jak? that's my problem.

[spiesr]

jak is a liar. he is the cult recruiter. i KNOW that. he may still be the only outer god, and he may be willing to work with town. he recruited doom, but more than that i do not know.

Vodean, when will you ever learn? Please explain exactly what you did and what info you got from it.

Aliens, since you rudely took my vote without asking permission please apply it to Jak with all due haste.

Question, are you an Elder God? If not then why not take me up on my proposition? The only ones I see that CAN have a problem with me are Elder Gods and that's because they can't win with the knowledge of them being the mafia.

I an town. You are a threat to the town. Thus my motivation is to lynch you before you can recruit anyone else.

Aliens, another request if you will. If a have access to the ability please use my body to kill Yoshi tonight. (I kind of think it won't work on any non-humans) If you can't then just investigate somebody with it.
Thank you for you cooperation.

[jak111]

SO why would the aliens be able to captive mind rodion and not jak? that's my problem.

This is something that I can't explain. Besides me actually probably having immunity ability since 3 people each night could check my action and have me killed.

I think the Elder Gods CAN be affected by the aliens (due to them only having killing roles and other stuff) so they would not be outed as easily as I would be if I chose to stay hidden.

Although with my inside source of the aliens, I CAN confirm that they are not evil. So they are to be trusted a bit more than they have been. They seek to survive, survivors wish to survive, I wish to survive, and town can be recruited and survive.

So like I've said, I see no real reason why anyone besides an Elder God would have a problem with what I propose. If you wish to kill off all the cult it would make the numbers dwindle too much and Elder Gods would win.

Here is another deal I will make, show me that you are willing to support me in my desire for a multi win, and tomorrow after tonight's talk, we will out as a group so that we may narrow the Elder Gods even further. But I will not out my own if you cannot show some sort of trust that we have good intentions.

Fastposted, Spiesr, if the aliens can confirm you town, you will simply be recruited among us so that you may win as well. I wouldn't call that a threat but more as an offer to win faster and with more people. The town is small in numbers, and I can promise you not many (at max, 2 remain) so eliminating what effects the town would not be worth it when by tomorrow night there will be no town left to care. If you wish to truly eliminate the threat that will stop you, help us find the Elder Gods. They are the only threat that I believe is left in the game.

[betiko]

I go with the flow. I don't get to vote today anyway, and the popularity of your offer will prove if people are up for it or not.

[Rodion]

Jak, it is obvious you're lying. Trying to claim I'm an Elder God because you tried and failed to recruit me is a ridiculous last-ditch attempt at deflecting attention to one of the players that managed to get you exposed. You've lied enough that anyone should be wary of trying to make a deal with you.

I believe Jak has 6 votes (Rodion, IB, Rishaed, Little Witt, Nendreel and Jonty). 3 more guys, hurry up before / might end the day and give Jak a 50/50.

Yoshi, if you ever wish to deny Vodean's claim that you are a cultist, you had better vote Jak.

[jak111]

Jak, it is obvious you're lying. Trying to claim I'm an Elder God because you tried and failed to recruit me is a ridiculous last-ditch attempt at deflecting attention to one of the players that managed to get you exposed. You've lied enough that anyone should be wary of trying to make a deal with you.

I believe Jak has 6 votes (Rodion, IB, Rishaed, Little Witt, Nendreel and Jonty). 3 more guys, hurry up before / might end the day and give Jak a 50/50.

Yoshi, if you ever wish to deny Vodean's claim that you are a cultist, you had better vote Jak.

Now the funny thing is, is you claim that I lie. Yet the scene proves me correct, I believe you or IB actually pointed out the recruitment parts. So explain to me WHY it said what it said when visiting you Rodion. You and IB are the hardest pushers for my lynch and yet I have an offer that benefits all but the Elder Gods. Now explain why you wouldn't wish to accept that deal? Don't claim human, because we both know you are NOT.

[rishaed]

Jak, it is obvious you're lying. Trying to claim I'm an Elder God because you tried and failed to recruit me is a ridiculous last-ditch attempt at deflecting attention to one of the players that managed to get you exposed. You've lied enough that anyone should be wary of trying to make a deal with you.

I believe Jak has 6 votes (Rodion, IB, Rishaed, Little Witt, Nendreel and Jonty). 3 more guys, hurry up before / might end the day and give Jak a 50/50.

Yoshi, if you ever wish to deny Vodean's claim that you are a cultist, you had better vote Jak.

Sounds something like a Speedlynch to me. As much as I don't like Cult right now, He Never claimed you were an Elder God, just a MASSIVE Creature he tried to recruit. unvote Vote Rodian The fact that you are getting overly defensive is suspicious to me right now along with the fact that you have softclaimed human, which after Vodean let loose everything became insanely easy to do.
fp'd by Jak

[Nendreel]

Rish, we're pretty much into overtime with the deadline right now.
The fact that you want to let a claimed recruiter go for someone who kinda seems scummy but can still be investigated really makes me wonder about you.

[jak111]

Rish, we're pretty much into overtime with the deadline right now.
The fact that you want to let a claimed recruiter go for someone who kinda seems scummy but can still be investigated really makes me wonder about you.

The fact that you are against my proposition makes me wonder about you. I am willing to help everyone but the Elder Gods win. If you are against that idea then I do not wish to see you talk down to people who actually wish to win.

Rishaed is aligned with the Elder Things at the moment, I can convert him later on if need be so that he wins as well. But first the town must be converted so they do not lose due to being outnumbered.

But what my outing does will do a major thing for town AND third parties. If their WC is correct of being able to win with anyone and being presented with a party that is enormous in size already and do not take it, it will raise questions as to, IS IT THEIR WC? Or did they already lie?

[betiko]

Jak, it is obvious you're lying. Trying to claim I'm an Elder God because you tried and failed to recruit me is a ridiculous last-ditch attempt at deflecting attention to one of the players that managed to get you exposed. You've lied enough that anyone should be wary of trying to make a deal with you.

I believe Jak has 6 votes (Rodion, IB, Rishaed, Little Witt, Nendreel and Jonty). 3 more guys, hurry up before / might end the day and give Jak a 50/50.

Yoshi, if you ever wish to deny Vodean's claim that you are a cultist, you had better vote Jak.

Sounds something like a Speedlynch to me. As much as I don't like Cult right now, He Never claimed you were an Elder God, just a MASSIVE Creature he tried to recruit. unvote Vote Rodian The fact that you are getting overly defensive is suspicious to me right now along with the fact that you have softclaimed human, which after Vodean let loose everything became insanely easy to do.
fp'd by Jak

well these are the last hours, so it's this or no lynch...
both rodion and jak seem to have a hole in their argument. the thing is that of course, jak can tell the failed recruitment is the person he decides now and not necesairly the real person he failed to recruit. or was it the night rodion was a captive mind? in that case it could stand.
But I don't see how could the aliens confirm rodion and jak say something else + aliens see ugly things in jak's mind....

nevertheless i think jak was telling the truth and his offer was probably the one that could make a maximum number of players win. but I never managed to get a straght answer from / about wc and what is prioritary on what.

[Nendreel]

Rish, we're pretty much into overtime with the deadline right now.
The fact that you want to let a claimed recruiter go for someone who kinda seems scummy but can still be investigated really makes me wonder about you.

The fact that you are against my proposition makes me wonder about you. I am willing to help everyone but the Elder Gods win. If you are against that idea then I do not wish to see you talk down to people who actually wish to win.

Rishaed is aligned with the Elder Things at the moment, I can convert him later on if need be so that he wins as well. But first the town must be converted so they do not lose due to being outnumbered.

But what my outing does will do a major thing for town AND third parties. If their WC is correct of being able to win with anyone and being presented with a party that is enormous in size already and do not take it, it will raise questions as to, IS IT THEIR WC? Or did they already lie?

Massive in size? There are only three of you. One less if you get lynched.