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Postby mandalorian2298 on Fri May 04, 2007 4:19 pm

Guilty_Biscuit wrote:Aegnor - why I think you have a power role:

Aegnor wrote:I didn't even know that there's a peasants group that needs to choose sides let alone trying to sway them to my own side.


Aegnor wrote:For the 3rd, or 4th time I'm gonna say that I have no idea how Mandy is going to benefit from my death - as he doesn't even know what my role is.

I will only say that it's in my interest that the townies prevail.


Aegnor wrote:Even if I'm not a peasant I could still be pro-town.


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Nobles________Peasants_______Various Scum

x_____________x______________Aegnor


What makes you believe there's only 1 faction that is pro town? your jumping into conclusions is very dangerous to the town.


Aegnor wrote:Example: His claim that I'm a scum only because he thinks I'm not a peasant or a noble.
And even if we assume that he is right with that claim, there could be more pro-town factions (don't forget we have 25 people in this game), so all of his claims have no weight...........At any rate, I'm willing to repeat what I've said before, it is in my interest that the town wins, I can't say anything else at this point.


Aegnor wrote:I've claimed townie 4 maybe 5 times before, I won't roleclaim fearing of becoming a prime target for mafia.


Aegnor wrote:My only explanation would be that there are things about the nature of this particular game that you don't know, and if certain people would know it, it will give them a certain advantage over the townies.


:? I am missing something here.
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Postby Aegnor on Fri May 04, 2007 4:20 pm

Guilty, your quotes are nice, but how do you infer from them that I have a power role?
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Fri May 04, 2007 4:23 pm

Biscuit, would I be right in assuming that you are either a Peasant or a Noble. If this is so, why do you belive that there is another faction in this game (aside from the Merry Men and a possible Richard Lionheart's Cult (and that is only a theory based on the Legend)) wich are both scumm? Are you perhaps unable to unvote because of your role? (since I don't think there is a single player left, townie or scumm who belives that Auto will be lynched today)
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Postby The1exile on Fri May 04, 2007 4:29 pm

Unvote, vote Aegnor

Aegnor, your outright refusal to claim is scummy. And at least this way we can prove whether mandy is a raving madman or not.
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Postby AK_iceman on Fri May 04, 2007 4:32 pm

The1exile wrote:Unvote, vote Aegnor

Aegnor, your outright refusal to claim is scummy. And at least this way we can prove whether mandy is a raving madman or not.

What?!? I asked Mandy to claim pages ago and he refused. I only asked him once, since he replied that he wouldn't role claim, but just because pancake can't take a hint doesn't mean Aegnor is any more suspicios than Mandy because he won't claim.
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Fri May 04, 2007 4:32 pm

The1exile wrote:Unvote, vote Aegnor

Aegnor, your outright refusal to claim is scummy. And at least this way we can prove whether mandy is a raving madman or not.


You are shooting a bit high there, Exile. You will be able to prove only that I am trustworthy in this game. :lol: "The raving madman" will reamin an option. :wink:
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Postby Aegnor on Fri May 04, 2007 4:32 pm

The1exile wrote:Unvote, vote Aegnor

Aegnor, your outright refusal to claim is scummy. And at least this way we can prove whether mandy is a raving madman or not.


Exile, do you think at this point of the game, we should help the mafia out by making their night choices easier? At this point I will not roleclaim.
If at some point the town will think that they're willing to make that unneeded sacrifice I will eventually roleclaim.
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Postby wicked on Fri May 04, 2007 4:33 pm

<sarcasm> OMG! I don't agree with Mandy, ergo I must be scum </sarcasm>

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Postby The1exile on Fri May 04, 2007 4:35 pm

Aegnor wrote:
The1exile wrote:Unvote, vote Aegnor

Aegnor, your outright refusal to claim is scummy. And at least this way we can prove whether mandy is a raving madman or not.


Exile, do you think at this point of the game, we should help the mafia out by making their night choices easier? At this point I will not roleclaim.
If at some point the town will think that they're willing to make that unneeded sacrifice I will eventually roleclaim.


If you think you roleclaiming will make the mafia have an easier time then either there are noob mafia or you have a power role. Thus, I can say with reasonable certainty that you have a power role, and were I mafia I would target you on principle assuming you didn't get lynched (and certainly not mandy because of a guess at his role).

If I'm right about mandy, then he definitely shouldn't claim, because if he bags a scum, which I think is a possibility, he will be no.1 target for the mafia, which i will lose no sleep about due to his comments about expecting to be dead.
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Fri May 04, 2007 4:36 pm

The1exile wrote:
Aegnor wrote:
The1exile wrote:Unvote, vote Aegnor

Aegnor, your outright refusal to claim is scummy. And at least this way we can prove whether mandy is a raving madman or not.


Exile, do you think at this point of the game, we should help the mafia out by making their night choices easier? At this point I will not roleclaim.
If at some point the town will think that they're willing to make that unneeded sacrifice I will eventually roleclaim.


If you think you roleclaiming will make the mafia have an easier time then either there are noob mafia or you have a power role. Thus, I can say with reasonable certainty that you have a power role, and were I mafia I would target you on principle assuming you didn't get lynched (and certainly not mandy because of a guess at his role).

If I'm right about mandy, then he definitely shouldn't claim, because if he bags a scum, which I think is a possibility, he will be no.1 target for the mafia, which i will lose no sleep about due to his comments about expecting to be dead.


You are allready planing to get drunk during my funeral. :evil: ADMIT IT!!

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Postby Aegnor on Fri May 04, 2007 4:37 pm

I don't think that my particular roleclaiming would help the mafia. I think that any roleclaiming made by a townie would help them. Get my drift?
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Postby The1exile on Fri May 04, 2007 4:37 pm

AK_iceman wrote:
The1exile wrote:Unvote, vote Aegnor

Aegnor, your outright refusal to claim is scummy. And at least this way we can prove whether mandy is a raving madman or not.

What?!? I asked Mandy to claim pages ago and he refused. I only asked him once, since he replied that he wouldn't role claim, but just because pancake can't take a hint doesn't mean Aegnor is any more suspicios than Mandy because he won't claim.


As above post - I think mandy is town with a role that would be best left to guessing. Aegnor, on the other hand, has outright refused to claim with unconvincing arguments, most likely because on day 1 as scum he can't come up with a decent claim to fake.
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Postby The1exile on Fri May 04, 2007 4:38 pm

Aegnor wrote:I don't think that my particular roleclaiming would help the mafia. I think that any roleclaiming made by a townie would help them. Get my drift?


Not unless you're claiming scum, no.
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Postby AK_iceman on Fri May 04, 2007 4:39 pm

Aegnor wrote:I don't think that my particular roleclaiming would help the mafia. I think that any roleclaiming made by a townie would help them. Get my drift?

Ok, lets settle this. Aegnor, whats your win condition?

I realize that after this, mafia will be able to use it to appear as townie, but we're never going to get a lynch today unless he can prove himself.
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Postby Aegnor on Fri May 04, 2007 4:39 pm

Exile as far as I know you are with the mafia. I will roleclaim only when I see it fit. As in every mafia game, any roleclaim made by a townie will help the mafia's cause.
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Fri May 04, 2007 4:41 pm

AK_iceman wrote:
Aegnor wrote:I don't think that my particular roleclaiming would help the mafia. I think that any roleclaiming made by a townie would help them. Get my drift?

Ok, lets settle this. Aegnor, whats your win condition?

I realize that after this, mafia will be able to use it to appear as townie, but we're never going to get a lynch today unless he can prove himself.

=D> Very nice. A bit late, but still nice. :lol:
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Postby Aegnor on Fri May 04, 2007 4:41 pm

AK_iceman wrote:
Aegnor wrote:I don't think that my particular roleclaiming would help the mafia. I think that any roleclaiming made by a townie would help them. Get my drift?

Ok, lets settle this. Aegnor, whats your win condition?


I thought Aimless forbade us from quoting our PMs. (otherwise, I have no problem revealing it).
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Postby AK_iceman on Fri May 04, 2007 4:44 pm

Aegnor wrote:
AK_iceman wrote:
Aegnor wrote:I don't think that my particular roleclaiming would help the mafia. I think that any roleclaiming made by a townie would help them. Get my drift?

Ok, lets settle this. Aegnor, whats your win condition?


I thought Aimless forbade us from quoting our PMs. (otherwise, I have no problem revealing it).

Don't quote it, just type it. As long as it's not
Aimless wrote:Win Condition - Kill mafia
, but you can type Win Condition - Kill mafia. Just dont have Aimless quote it.
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Fri May 04, 2007 4:45 pm

Aegnor wrote:
AK_iceman wrote:
Aegnor wrote:I don't think that my particular roleclaiming would help the mafia. I think that any roleclaiming made by a townie would help them. Get my drift?

Ok, lets settle this. Aegnor, whats your win condition?


I thought Aimless forbade us from quoting our PMs. (otherwise, I have no problem revealing it).


You can loosly paraphrase your role. Let me show you:
I win if I bag a mafia today, get you guys to listen about the other scum, die before Day 3 and the Town does a good work cleaning up the rest of the Scum.
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Postby The1exile on Fri May 04, 2007 4:45 pm

IC, selective reading of the rules?

The only things you may post (loosely paraphrasing) are your roles.
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Postby Aegnor on Fri May 04, 2007 4:46 pm

I will look for that post Aimless made, just to be certain I'm not breaking any rules, if it's ok with him, I'll tell you my winning conditions.
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Postby AK_iceman on Fri May 04, 2007 4:47 pm

This same set of rules has been used for many mafia games, all of which it was ok to reveal your win condition as long as it wasn't quoted by the mod.
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Postby Aegnor on Fri May 04, 2007 4:50 pm

I win when we have eliminated all threats to town.
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Postby The1exile on Fri May 04, 2007 4:50 pm

:roll:

Aimless wrote:Announcement

An important point has been brought to my attention : in games past, people have tried to verify town or scum by asking for the word count of a win condition, or for a specific word in that win condition. I would like to make it clear that I consider both of those to be instances of "quoting your role PM," and thus a violation of the spirit of the rules if not the letter. In other words, don't do it.

What you may do : you may quote the name of your role, and give a loose paraphrase regarding your role abilities. Otherwise, don't give out any information regarding your role PM. The same goes for any other PM I send you. If you have a specific question about something you think may or may not be allowed, I recommend that you ask me.


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Postby Aegnor on Fri May 04, 2007 4:52 pm

Well I haven't done either of those, I just paraphrased it. I hope it doesn't break Aimless' rules.
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