PLAYER57832 wrote:The truth is your lifestyle depends very much upon thousands of people
so you're saying that since i learned a trade i should subsidize the lives of others who didn't?
why did i even learn a trade? what benefits do i get out of it?
But that doesn't mean folks without a degree should starve or live on the street or in dangerous housing.
Furthermore, a LOT of the people who work for low wages are skilled, but their companies were downsized or there just are more people wanting jobs in that field than there are.
Why does spending 4 years studying somehow give you so much more right to have a decent life than those who just buckle down and work, often very, very hard? That is a better question.
PLAYER57832 wrote:You want to pretent that healthcare is some kind of luxury that only the wealthy get to have
does contraceptives cost millions of dollars? or would it cost the same as say a few trips to mcdonalds?[/quote]
That is not really the point. The point is that we pay for insurance, and now employers are claiming the right to deny specific types of coverage because they just don't happen to like that coverage.
Further, the cost to society for not giving women basic health care, including sometimes birth control or other "female" procedures is high. This is not about being cost-effective, it is truly about a few supposedly religious folks, mostly in heavily male-dominated churches deciding that women's needs are "just optional".
It is about limiting women's ability to work, becuase without birth control, many women cannot work. It is not about health.
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:i'm not wealthy and i just had some dental work done without insurance. but of course i saved my money and did without a flatscreen tv to get it.
And yet you just said you were a skilled worker, so not someone working for minimum wage or close to that.
The claim that this is about doing without "flatscreen TVs" and other luxuries is condescending claptrap, not reality. Our country used to be a place where honest, hard-working people could "make it". That is quickly receding, and we are being told everything is "too expensive" right when the top 2% of wage earners have seen their incomes grow by magnitudes. THAT is the problem.
Also, in case you missed it... a truly universal healthcare system such as is found in EVERY other developed country and quite a few not so developed countries is CHEAPER, by far than our system.
But some wealthy, powerful people -- likley with heavy investments in the pharmeceutical companies and other for profit health systems (they do pay a good return right now), have convinced a lot of Americans that anything close to socialized medicine means terrible care, despite all evidence to the contrary.
PLAYER57832 wrote:things like decent housing and food are just not necessary for seniours, and neither is healthcare.. never mind that they PAID for it. They paid for it by setting up the system, they paid in blood and sweat and they paid in dollars.
this is silly. no one is wanting to take healthcare, housing and food away from the seniors that paid for it. the affordable care act subsidizes much more than that.
I see, so after cutting Medicare and Social Security, what exactly are they .. and we, when the time comes, to use for money? These programs are successful. The problem is that no additional money has been put into them, instead the Social security fund was used as a kind of big bank for Reagan and Bush cronies, (along with other presidents since).
PLAYER57832 wrote:and do millions of other jobs needed for your lifestyle to be what it is... get to have resonably decent lives.
this is all relative, most of the people who came here (america) left lives much worse than the ones that think they have it bad now. they came here for a chance to do better, not because there were wealthy people giving money away.
Oh, it is VERY relative. I am not talking about immigrants, and when the 2% see their income, primarily through investments, increase by leaps and bounds at the exact same time they keep shutting down factories, laying people off, denying pay raises... when the CEOs and higher executives in companies take huge bonuses, bonuses unheard of just a few decades ago and THEN claim they cannot pay even a dime more to their employees... it is very, very relevant.
That life in other countries is worse is not an excuse to make the US sink to the gutter, too.
PLAYER57832 wrote:What every happened to compassion, judge not lest you be judged and oh yeah.. care for the widows and orphans?.. along with don't muzzle the ox that grinds your grain.
what happened to spare the rod spoil the child, god helps those that help themselves, waste not want not, live within your means, penny saved penny earned, give a man a fish feed him for a day, teach a man....... blah blah.
What a bunch of condescendin ignorant blabber. Do you HONESTLY believe that someone working 40+ hours a day doesn't know how to work, doesn't deserve to eat and have a decent house?
Then you are disgusting.
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:quote="PLAYER57832"]which is that MILLIONS of people in this country alone have to do with less to support your lifestyle and the lifestyles of those who are making more than 250K.
is this the path they choose? i know i can get by on very little. so i know others can do it to. if you really try and think about it, maybe you'd see it too.[/quote]
Oh please. I am the master of saving money and living cheaply. But you delude yourself if you think that making the right choices is all it takes. One illness, one setback.. that is all it takes to move MOST americans from a decent life to homelessness.
Sure, hard work matters, but nowadays it matters a heck of a lot less than having the money to invest in the stock market and then choosing the right investments. Further, the "right" investments often have little to do with work or direct sales profits. More money is made by shutting companies down (so-called "lean-sizing")
Stephen Covey talks about 2 managers. One complains about how terrible workers are today, how he cannot get good help, etc. Another has nothing but good to say about his employees.. they are not perfect, but mostly work hard, etc, etc. Teh real difference? It was not the workers, it was the manager. A bad manager blames the employees.
Today, blaming the poor has come back into fashion. It used to be pretty standard back in the 1900's... get tuberculosis or typhoid and you "deserved it", were "unclean" or living an "unhealthy lifestyle".
PLAYER57832 wrote:You don't earn anything on your own.
blah blah blah. i know obama is your hero. this country functions as a whole yes. but you get out of it what you put in.
You're an idiot. Hopefully you learn your lesson before destroying those around you.
You are not responding to what I am saying, you are simply reciting rhetoric you heard or read somewhere. Try thinking on your own for a change. It does wonders.