Why Stiffer Gun Control/Bannings Are In Order

[crispybits]

Not everything, but in circumstances where public safety is a concern then they do. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to do bag scans and personal searches when you board an aircraft just for one example. I'd say knowing which people own and carry lethal weapons is a matter of public safety, especially given the way that a significant proportion of gun injuries are inflicted by legally owned guns.

[Phatscotty]

Not everything, but in circumstances where public safety is a concern then they do. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to do bag scans and personal searches when you board an aircraft just for one example. I'd say knowing which people own and carry lethal weapons is a matter of public safety, especially given the way that a significant proportion of gun injuries are inflicted by legally owned guns.

weapons aren't lethal, sorry. They do not have a brain, they do not have emotions, they are not able to be punished or fined, other than what you and people like you juxtapose onto them

[crispybits]

You reduced to weak semantics now PS?

A gun is a device designed to kill or injure. By definition it is a lethal weapon. Just like potassium chloride is a lethal poison. Because either can be handled safely with proper training and precautions doesn't reduce their capacity for harm (hint - otherwise known as "lethality") if they are not.

[Phatscotty]

You reduced to weak semantics now PS?

A gun is a device designed to kill or injure. By definition it is a lethal weapon. Just like potassium chloride is a lethal poison. Because either can be handled safely with proper training and precautions doesn't reduce their capacity for harm (hint - otherwise known as "lethality") if they are not.

a gun is a device. It has many more uses than just to kill or injure. Is that the only reason a police officer carries a gun? JUST to kill someone? and it's not semantics, not at all. A gun is an object.

Chlorine can also poison you, but we aren't labeling swimming pools poisonous...

if guns kill people, then spoons make people fat, and pencils misspell words.

[crispybits]

Didn't I just say "if they are handled properly .... or not"? Pretty different from "guns kill people derp"

So you back up a weak semantic attack with an even weaker straw man argument - well done!

[Metsfanmax]

You reduced to weak semantics now PS?

A gun is a device designed to kill or injure. By definition it is a lethal weapon. Just like potassium chloride is a lethal poison. Because either can be handled safely with proper training and precautions doesn't reduce their capacity for harm (hint - otherwise known as "lethality") if they are not.

a gun is a device. It has many more uses than just to kill or injure.

Really? Name one.

Oh yeah, cutting our steak with guns.

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[stahrgazer]

Not everything, but in circumstances where public safety is a concern then they do. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to do bag scans and personal searches when you board an aircraft just for one example. I'd say knowing which people own and carry lethal weapons is a matter of public safety, especially given the way that a significant proportion of gun injuries are inflicted by legally owned guns.

No, Sorry! The Marine said nothing about carrying what he'd legally purchased onto an airplane, so searches to board do not equate to the government getting to know if I legally purchase potato chips, a carving knife, or a revolver.

Actually, the Marine said nothing about carrying what he legally purchased at all. No one is currently arguing whether governments should continue to restrict "carrying" to those who have obtained a permit.

If a family continues to drop bowling balls on their feet, or nicks themselves with paper or a paring knife, well, those are injuries inflicted by legally owned property. No one's tracking those injuries, but I bet there are far more paper cuts and cutting-vegetables injuries than their are gun injuries inflicted.

But, are you speaking of injuries such as occurred at the school? Because if you are, please recall, the maniac did NOT legally own those guns, he STOLE them (and maybe he killed his momma because she caught him in the act of stealing them; do you know whether that is or is not the case?)

Or if you're going to call what he used, legally owned because at one time they had been legally purchased by a citizen who had not lost her rights, then that probably applies to almost any gun in the world, because at one time, probably ALL of them were "legal" to whoever carried them.

If someone is careless with property, perhaps that someone should be a little liable, like giving keys to your car to someone you know is intoxicated may mean you're liable when that drunk kills someone with your vehicle; but that still doesn't make the car any more responsible than the guns are because some jerk used them improperly.

[chang50]

Senator Dianne Feinstein,

I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.

I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.

Respectfully Submitted,
Joshua Boston
Cpl, United States Marine Corps
2004-2012

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/01/01/no-maam-letter-from-u-s-marine-to-dianne-feinstein-goes-viral-12897

Does government have the right to know if you possess illegal drugs?

Does the government have the right to know everything you legally purchase?

A legally elected government should have the right to require one to register some legally purchased items.Is this a one way street or do I get an answer to my question now Ive answered yours?

[Phatscotty]

Not sounding like the land of the Free.

Have you ever been to America, or were you born here, or where are you from Changer?

[chang50]

Not sounding like the land of the Free.

Have you ever been to America, or were you born here, or where are you from Changer?

I've made no secret of the fact I am British,my only time on US soil was during a refuelling stop in Houston in 1991,it's unlikely I will ever go again as I am happily retired here in Thailand.
I am overjoyed that I do not sound 'like the land of the free',a lot of what I have read on this forum from its citizens horrifies me. If such parochialism and disdain for the rest of the world are the results of your version of freedom then it does not impress me much at all.

[Phatscotty]

Not sounding like the land of the Free.

Have you ever been to America, or were you born here, or where are you from Changer?

I've made no secret of the fact I am British,my only time on US soil was during a refuelling stop in Houston in 1991,it's unlikely I will ever go again as I am happily retired here in Thailand.
I am overjoyed that I do not sound 'like the land of the free',a lot of what I have read on this forum from its citizens horrifies me. If such parochialism and disdain for the rest of the world are the results of your version of freedom then it does not impress me much at all.

like what?

who disdains the rest of the world? wait a sec...you make it sound like American's are always trying to tell everyone else how they should live, but I in fact barely ever see that, while I constantly note foreigners telling us how to live, what laws to get rid of, statistics on this and that in my country....it has puzzled me for years

It's pretty clear the disdain is all coming from the rest of the world, onto America

[Juan_Bottom]

What is .1% of 100bazillion?
These statistics are very misleading.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... nteractive

[chang50]

Not sounding like the land of the Free.

Have you ever been to America, or were you born here, or where are you from Changer?

I've made no secret of the fact I am British,my only time on US soil was during a refuelling stop in Houston in 1991,it's unlikely I will ever go again as I am happily retired here in Thailand.
I am overjoyed that I do not sound 'like the land of the free',a lot of what I have read on this forum from its citizens horrifies me. If such parochialism and disdain for the rest of the world are the results of your version of freedom then it does not impress me much at all.

like what?

who disdains the rest of the world? wait a sec...you make it sound like American's are always trying to tell everyone else how they should live, but I in fact barely ever see that, while I constantly note foreigners telling us how to live, what laws to get rid of, statistics on this and that in my country....it has puzzled me for years

It's pretty clear the disdain is all coming from the rest of the world, onto America

It's obvious we have different perspectives here and we aren't going to change each others opinions,I honestly answered Scotty's question that's all..

[Phatscotty]

Not sounding like the land of the Free.

Have you ever been to America, or were you born here, or where are you from Changer?

I've made no secret of the fact I am British,my only time on US soil was during a refuelling stop in Houston in 1991,it's unlikely I will ever go again as I am happily retired here in Thailand.
I am overjoyed that I do not sound 'like the land of the free',a lot of what I have read on this forum from its citizens horrifies me. If such parochialism and disdain for the rest of the world are the results of your version of freedom then it does not impress me much at all.

like what?

who disdains the rest of the world? wait a sec...you make it sound like American's are always trying to tell everyone else how they should live, but I in fact barely ever see that, while I constantly note foreigners telling us how to live, what laws to get rid of, statistics on this and that in my country....it has puzzled me for years

It's pretty clear the disdain is all coming from the rest of the world, onto America

It's obvious we have different perspectives here and we aren't going to change each others opinions,I honestly answered Scotty's question that's all..

that,s fine, but do you really believe that the American's here hate the rest of the world? What are some recent examples?

here is an extremely recent example of what I am talking about

America is splintered by another policy crisis -- the role of guns in society. CNN host Piers Morgan leads a crusade for gun control, describing gun supporters as "dangerous" and wanting to ban "assault weapons." Morgan, who CBS called "an imported TV personality," believes as many British do, that gun ownership should be restricted.

That anti-gun position has cascaded through the global media. The Guardian UK featured both British and American columnists calling for "the fierce urgency of now" on gun control. Russia Today claimed pro-gun supporters say they can "freely carry military-grade assault weapons." A Sydney Morning Herald columnist wrote he won't even let his boys "play with toy guns."

In news outlets around the world, editorials, news stories and columns demand American gun control.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... a/1801475/

[chang50]

Not sounding like the land of the Free.

Have you ever been to America, or were you born here, or where are you from Changer?

I've made no secret of the fact I am British,my only time on US soil was during a refuelling stop in Houston in 1991,it's unlikely I will ever go again as I am happily retired here in Thailand.
I am overjoyed that I do not sound 'like the land of the free',a lot of what I have read on this forum from its citizens horrifies me. If such parochialism and disdain for the rest of the world are the results of your version of freedom then it does not impress me much at all.

like what?

who disdains the rest of the world? wait a sec...you make it sound like American's are always trying to tell everyone else how they should live, but I in fact barely ever see that, while I constantly note foreigners telling us how to live, what laws to get rid of, statistics on this and that in my country....it has puzzled me for years

It's pretty clear the disdain is all coming from the rest of the world, onto America

It's obvious we have different perspectives here and we aren't going to change each others opinions,I honestly answered Scotty's question that's all..

that,s fine, but do you really believe that the American's here hate the rest of the world? What are some recent examples?

I don't believe that at all,go back and read what I wrote CAREFULLY,I'm not going to get into defending your misunderstandings of my views,been there already thank you..

[Phatscotty]

okay fair enough. Let me just ask then what this means

"If such parochialism and disdain for the rest of the world are the results of your version of freedom then it does not impress me much at all."

because it sounds like what I said it sounded like

[chang50]

okay fair enough. Let me just ask then what this means

"If such parochialism and disdain for the rest of the world are the results of your version of freedom then it does not impress me much at all."

because it sounds like what I said it sounded like

You could look up the words if you don't know what they mean,neither parochialism or disdain are synonomous with hate,and don't forget I said this applied to a lot of what is posted here by US citizens, NOT ALL.

[Phatscotty]

okay fair enough. Let me just ask then what this means

"If such parochialism and disdain for the rest of the world are the results of your version of freedom then it does not impress me much at all."

because it sounds like what I said it sounded like

You could look up the words if you don't know what they mean,neither parochialism or disdain are synonomous with hate,and don't forget I said this applied to a lot of what is posted here by US citizens, NOT ALL.

disdain: a feeling of contempt for someone or something regarded as unworthy or inferior

yeah....that's exactly how I understood it. Sounds synonymous with hate to me, certainly past "dislike"

[chang50]

okay fair enough. Let me just ask then what this means

"If such parochialism and disdain for the rest of the world are the results of your version of freedom then it does not impress me much at all."

because it sounds like what I said it sounded like

You could look up the words if you don't know what they mean,neither parochialism or disdain are synonomous with hate,and don't forget I said this applied to a lot of what is posted here by US citizens, NOT ALL.

disdain: a feeling of contempt for someone or something regarded as unworthy or inferior

yeah....that's exactly how I understood it. Sounds synonymous with hate to me, certainly past "dislike"

Well,it's hard to know how to respond to an inability to recognise clear differences in the meanings of words,of course you might also hate someone you disdain but you could also feel pity for them,or disregard or disrespect them in various ways. For example you might disdain an opponent on cc if you were contemptuous of their poor play which you regarded as inferior to yours without neccessarily hating them.

[crispybits]

Not sounding like the land of the Free.

Have you ever been to America, or were you born here, or where are you from Changer?

I've made no secret of the fact I am British,my only time on US soil was during a refuelling stop in Houston in 1991,it's unlikely I will ever go again as I am happily retired here in Thailand.
I am overjoyed that I do not sound 'like the land of the free',a lot of what I have read on this forum from its citizens horrifies me. If such parochialism and disdain for the rest of the world are the results of your version of freedom then it does not impress me much at all.

like what?

who disdains the rest of the world? wait a sec...you make it sound like American's are always trying to tell everyone else how they should live, but I in fact barely ever see that, while I constantly note foreigners telling us how to live, what laws to get rid of, statistics on this and that in my country....it has puzzled me for years

It's pretty clear the disdain is all coming from the rest of the world, onto America

It's almost pointless to ask, but are you seriously trying to claim that the US doesn't try to tell other nations how to be? They aren't at the forefront of telling Iran it can't have nuclear weapons? They didn't invade Iraq because that state had to stop developing weapons that could hit Israel and they were threatening the dollar standard on the world oil market? They havent plunged Cuba into a stasis bubble with trade and travel restrictions that have effectively frozen that country technologically in the 50s because they didn't like their opinions on government? The examples go on and on and on...

[chang50]

A classic example is the first 9/11,1973,when the USA played a significant role in the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Chile,culminating in the murder of Salvador Allende and many others.As you say the examples go on and on...Maybe we just don't understand freedom and should be grateful one country has unique access to such knowledge..

[BigBallinStalin]

A classic example is the first 9/11,1973,when the USA played a significant role in the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Chile,culminating in the murder of Salvador Allende and many others.As you say the examples go on and on...Maybe we just don't understand freedom and should be grateful one country has unique access to such knowledge..

Yeah, but Allende was a dick.

[chang50]

A classic example is the first 9/11,1973,when the USA played a significant role in the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Chile,culminating in the murder of Salvador Allende and many others.As you say the examples go on and on...Maybe we just don't understand freedom and should be grateful one country has unique access to such knowledge..

Yeah, but Allende was a dick.

Chilean voters thought highly enough of him to elect him,a minor point I know..

[Night Strike]

Senator Dianne Feinstein,

I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.

I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.

Respectfully Submitted,
Joshua Boston
Cpl, United States Marine Corps
2004-2012

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/01/01/no-maam-letter-from-u-s-marine-to-dianne-feinstein-goes-viral-12897

Does government have the right to know if you possess illegal drugs?

Does the government have the right to know everything you legally purchase?

A legally elected government should have the right to require one to register some legally purchased items.Is this a one way street or do I get an answer to my question now Ive answered yours?

The government doesn't force you to register illegal drugs because they are illegal. If they believe someone is making or selling or possessing an illegal drug, they do an investigation and then arrest and convict if there is evidence. With guns, most people have the Constitutional right to own them, so why should the government be allowed to know exactly which types of guns people have?

[chang50]

Senator Dianne Feinstein,

I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.

I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.

Respectfully Submitted,
Joshua Boston
Cpl, United States Marine Corps
2004-2012

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/01/01/no-maam-letter-from-u-s-marine-to-dianne-feinstein-goes-viral-12897

Does government have the right to know if you possess illegal drugs?

Does the government have the right to know everything you legally purchase?

A legally elected government should have the right to require one to register some legally purchased items.Is this a one way street or do I get an answer to my question now Ive answered yours?

The government doesn't force you to register illegal drugs because they are illegal. If they believe someone is making or selling or possessing an illegal drug, they do an investigation and then arrest and convict if there is evidence. With guns, most people have the Constitutional right to own them, so why should the government be allowed to know exactly which types of guns people have?

In most countries the government is not hamstrung by a slavish devotion to an ancient document so it is only an issue in the country that is.I am repeatedly informed this isn't going to change,so no argument I can offer will affect this parochial attitude.