Further divide the off topics

by **Army of GOD** on Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:54 pm

lame idea.

Gillipig should get a 30 day ban

by **john9blue** on Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:34 pm

guys, let's just compromise and split ODNSWITF into 1.5 forums.

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:36 pm

john9blue wrote:guys, let's just compromise and split ODNSWITF into 1.5 forums.

You just posted this as an excuse to say "ODNSWITF", didn't you ?

by **john9blue** on Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:45 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
john9blue wrote:guys, let's just compromise and split ODNSWITF into 1.5 forums.

You just posted this as an excuse to say "ODNSWITF", didn't you ?

surprisingly, i didn't. i typed "OT" first but then realized that i was missing out on a golden acronym opportunity

by **Metsfanmax** on Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:50 pm

Gillipig wrote:
chang50 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:All other parts of the forum is well structured, but the off topics is a user hostile mess! Not everyone are interested in discussing politics, and some are only interested in discussing politics, why not make it easier for everyone to find what they're looking for?
I made a suggestion to further divide off topics into "Politics" and "Science and Religion"" here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=184580
I'd like to know what others think of this.

Good idea in principle,I would prefer to see Science seperated from Religion,which would be better paired with Mythology and Folklore.

Indeed, but the thing is most talk related to science on this site, is talks about science in relation to religion, either how it is not compatible, or that it is. So the two naturally fit together in our off topics.

I would absolutely refuse to post in a forum titled "Science and Religion," as if the only thing worth discussing in that forum is which one is "right."

by **Ray Rider** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:52 am

This suggestion comes up about once every two months or so, and every time it's roundly rejected. Do people never learn?

by **Gillipig** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:55 am

Ray Rider wrote:This suggestion comes up about once every two months or so, and every time it's roundly rejected. Do people never learn?

Speaking for the people I can tell you that no, we don't. It's a good suggestion that is continually worked against by a handful of obsessed forum goers who want chaos in the off topics.

by **Gillipig** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:57 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
chang50 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:All other parts of the forum is well structured, but the off topics is a user hostile mess! Not everyone are interested in discussing politics, and some are only interested in discussing politics, why not make it easier for everyone to find what they're looking for?
I made a suggestion to further divide off topics into "Politics" and "Science and Religion"" here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=184580
I'd like to know what others think of this.

Good idea in principle,I would prefer to see Science seperated from Religion,which would be better paired with Mythology and Folklore.

Indeed, but the thing is most talk related to science on this site, is talks about science in relation to religion, either how it is not compatible, or that it is. So the two naturally fit together in our off topics.

I would absolutely refuse to post in a forum titled "Science and Religion," as if the only thing worth discussing in that forum is which one is "right."

Please link me to threads about science that doesn't in some way involve religion.

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:26 am

Gillipig wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
chang50 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:All other parts of the forum is well structured, but the off topics is a user hostile mess! Not everyone are interested in discussing politics, and some are only interested in discussing politics, why not make it easier for everyone to find what they're looking for?
I made a suggestion to further divide off topics into "Politics" and "Science and Religion"" here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=184580
I'd like to know what others think of this.

Good idea in principle,I would prefer to see Science seperated from Religion,which would be better paired with Mythology and Folklore.

Indeed, but the thing is most talk related to science on this site, is talks about science in relation to religion, either how it is not compatible, or that it is. So the two naturally fit together in our off topics.

I would absolutely refuse to post in a forum titled "Science and Religion," as if the only thing worth discussing in that forum is which one is "right."

Please link me to threads about science that doesn't in some way involve religion.

Just on the first page:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=184623
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=184597

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:38 am

Metsfanmax wrote:Just on the first page:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=184623
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=184597

To be fair, one of those those contain the word "church".

But yeah, bad idea and it's not gonna happen.

by **thegreekdog** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:41 am

Gillipig wrote:
Ray Rider wrote:This suggestion comes up about once every two months or so, and every time it's roundly rejected. Do people never learn?

Speaking for the people I can tell you that no, we don't. It's a good suggestion that is continually worked against by a handful of obsessed forum goers who want chaos in the off topics.

I assume by "obsessed forum goers" you mean the moderators and administrators of this website?

by **Gillipig** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:55 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
chang50 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:All other parts of the forum is well structured, but the off topics is a user hostile mess! Not everyone are interested in discussing politics, and some are only interested in discussing politics, why not make it easier for everyone to find what they're looking for?
I made a suggestion to further divide off topics into "Politics" and "Science and Religion"" here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=184580
I'd like to know what others think of this.

Good idea in principle,I would prefer to see Science seperated from Religion,which would be better paired with Mythology and Folklore.

Indeed, but the thing is most talk related to science on this site, is talks about science in relation to religion, either how it is not compatible, or that it is. So the two naturally fit together in our off topics.

I would absolutely refuse to post in a forum titled "Science and Religion," as if the only thing worth discussing in that forum is which one is "right."

Please link me to threads about science that doesn't in some way involve religion.

Just on the first page:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=184623
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=184597

Lol one of those were exactly the type of thread I was refering to.If the title "Church wants to clone Neanderthals" doesn't make you understand it's about science in relation to religion, I don't know what will.
The other was not about religion, but if you look down at the posts in that thread, it doesn't take long before jonesey and others start involving god in the discussion. All threads about science gets high jacked by people who want to bring in religion, whatever their motives are.

thegreekdog wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Ray Rider wrote:This suggestion comes up about once every two months or so, and every time it's roundly rejected. Do people never learn?

Speaking for the people I can tell you that no, we don't. It's a good suggestion that is continually worked against by a handful of obsessed forum goers who want chaos in the off topics.

I assume by "obsessed forum goers" you mean the moderators and administrators of this website?

Especially the moderators and adminsitrators. You guys are the worst.

by **thegreekdog** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:59 am

Gillipig wrote:Especially the moderators and adminsitrators. You guys are the worst.

I'm not a moderator anymore, and I can tell you when I was a moderator we did not make the decision.

by **Gillipig** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:02 am

thegreekdog wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Especially the moderators and adminsitrators. You guys are the worst.

I'm not a moderator anymore, and I can tell you when I was a moderator we did not make the decision.

No but you are obsessed forum goers who don't like this suggestion. Which if you read was all I claimed.

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:07 am

Gillipig wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Especially the moderators and adminsitrators. You guys are the worst.

I'm not a moderator anymore, and I can tell you when I was a moderator we did not make the decision.

No but you are obsessed forum goers who don't like this suggestion. Which if you read was all I claimed.

The most active people in off-topics don't want this to happen. So it's probably not gonna happen.

It would only make off-topics smaller, more divisive and less active anyway.

by **Gillipig** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:09 am

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Especially the moderators and adminsitrators. You guys are the worst.

I'm not a moderator anymore, and I can tell you when I was a moderator we did not make the decision.

No but you are obsessed forum goers who don't like this suggestion. Which if you read was all I claimed.

The most active people in off-topics don't want this to happen. So it's probably not gonna happen.

It would only make off-topics smaller, more divisive and less active anyway.

The most active people in the off topics are also those most satisfied with the current situation. If they weren't they wouldn't post so much.

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:10 am

Gillipig wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Especially the moderators and adminsitrators. You guys are the worst.

I'm not a moderator anymore, and I can tell you when I was a moderator we did not make the decision.

No but you are obsessed forum goers who don't like this suggestion. Which if you read was all I claimed.

The most active people in off-topics don't want this to happen. So it's probably not gonna happen.

It would only make off-topics smaller, more divisive and less active anyway.

The most active people in the off topics are also those most satisfied with the current situation. If they weren't they wouldn't post so much.

So if the biggest customers of the current situation are satisfied, why make a change?

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:14 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Especially the moderators and adminsitrators. You guys are the worst.

I'm not a moderator anymore, and I can tell you when I was a moderator we did not make the decision.

No but you are obsessed forum goers who don't like this suggestion. Which if you read was all I claimed.

The most active people in off-topics don't want this to happen. So it's probably not gonna happen.

It would only make off-topics smaller, more divisive and less active anyway.

The most active people in the off topics are also those most satisfied with the current situation. If they weren't they wouldn't post so much.

So if the biggest customers of the current situation are satisfied, why make a change?

Cause he doesn't like it and therefore it is fundamentally wrong.
It's called the Phatscotty theory of morality.

by **thegreekdog** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:16 am

Gillipig wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Especially the moderators and adminsitrators. You guys are the worst.

I'm not a moderator anymore, and I can tell you when I was a moderator we did not make the decision.

No but you are obsessed forum goers who don't like this suggestion. Which if you read was all I claimed.

Actually, I don't care. I'm indifferent. I do and have make the argument that complaining about the forum and its content is stupid when you can (a) choose not to read something and (b) post something of your own. In other words, you control the content of the forum and you control what you read. So why complain?

by **Gillipig** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:21 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Especially the moderators and adminsitrators. You guys are the worst.

I'm not a moderator anymore, and I can tell you when I was a moderator we did not make the decision.

No but you are obsessed forum goers who don't like this suggestion. Which if you read was all I claimed.

The most active people in off-topics don't want this to happen. So it's probably not gonna happen.

It would only make off-topics smaller, more divisive and less active anyway.

The most active people in the off topics are also those most satisfied with the current situation. If they weren't they wouldn't post so much.

So if the biggest customers of the current situation are satisfied, why make a change?

So that the many more who doesn't like it might pick up an interest. Off topics now is just about Religion and Politics, if those were separated from other ropics, the people who don't like to discuss religion or politics wouldn't have to have others propaganda shoved down their throat whenever they visit the off topics. Which not coincidently would make them more interested in visiting off topics. Besides, the religion nuts and the politics nuts would still get to discuss what they want to discuss, just not shove it down other peoples throats all the time. They scare people away from the off topics.

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:28 am

Gillipig wrote:So that the many more who doesn't like it might pick up an interest. Off topics now is just about Religion and Politics, if those were separated from other ropics, the people who don't like to discuss religion or politics wouldn't have to have others propaganda shoved down their throat whenever they visit the off topics. Which not coincidently would make them more interested in visiting off topics. Besides, the religion nuts and the politics nuts would still get to discuss what they want to discuss, just not shove it down other peoples throats all the time. They scare people away from the off topics.

So I assume you have some kind of proof to back up these claims?

by **Gillipig** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:36 am

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Gillipig wrote:So that the many more who doesn't like it might pick up an interest. Off topics now is just about Religion and Politics, if those were separated from other ropics, the people who don't like to discuss religion or politics wouldn't have to have others propaganda shoved down their throat whenever they visit the off topics. Which not coincidently would make them more interested in visiting off topics. Besides, the religion nuts and the politics nuts would still get to discuss what they want to discuss, just not shove it down other peoples throats all the time. They scare people away from the off topics.

So I assume you have some kind of proof to back up these claims?

I haven't done a scientific study about it if that's what you expected lol. What is it that you doubt? That the majority of the off topic threads are about either religion or politics? That the majority of people don't like to have others political and religious propaganda shoved down their throats? That they leave when they can't get away from that? That they would be more interested to use this part of the forum if they didn't have to be put through that anymore?

by **DoomYoshi** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:39 am

The proof is in the pudding.

by **thegreekdog** on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:40 am

Gillipig wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Gillipig wrote:So that the many more who doesn't like it might pick up an interest. Off topics now is just about Religion and Politics, if those were separated from other ropics, the people who don't like to discuss religion or politics wouldn't have to have others propaganda shoved down their throat whenever they visit the off topics. Which not coincidently would make them more interested in visiting off topics. Besides, the religion nuts and the politics nuts would still get to discuss what they want to discuss, just not shove it down other peoples throats all the time. They scare people away from the off topics.

So I assume you have some kind of proof to back up these claims?

I haven't done a scientific study about it if that's what you expected lol. What is it that you doubt? That the majority of the off topic threads are about either religion or politics? That the majority of people don't like to have others political and religious propaganda shoved down their throats? That they leave when they can't get away from that? That they would be more interested to use this part of the forum if they didn't have to be put through that anymore?

How do you define "shoved down their throats?"
Why can't they get away from it?

There are multiple threads on evolution and the Bible. I don't read them. Does this mean I've succesfully achieved the apparently difficult ability to not read peoples' posts? Do I get some kind of reward from you for that? It appears that you (and an apparent host of others) have not been able to accomplish this task. Do you need some tips? Should we form a social group to discuss how not to read a thread? We can name the usergroup "Your Mouse Button and How it Works."