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Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby Gillipig on Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:06 am

How big of a chance do you give yourself if your opponent drops a bonus in 1v1? Dropping a bonus in Das Schloss is a huge advantage, do you pretty much give up hope winning the game, or do you still think you have a reasonable chance?
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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby betiko on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:37 am

Gillipig wrote:How big of a chance do you give yourself if your opponent drops a bonus in 1v1? Dropping a bonus in Das Schloss is a huge advantage, do you pretty much give up hope winning the game, or do you still think you have a reasonable chance?


be more specific. start first or second, trench or not and the type of spoils, your drop, and the absence of your enemy in another bonus area. Depending on al those criterias I'd say it can go from <5% to >50%
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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby Gillipig on Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:46 pm

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Gillipig wrote:How big of a chance do you give yourself if your opponent drops a bonus in 1v1? Dropping a bonus in Das Schloss is a huge advantage, do you pretty much give up hope winning the game, or do you still think you have a reasonable chance?


be more specific. start first or second, trench or not and the type of spoils, your drop, and the absence of your enemy in another bonus area. Depending on al those criterias I'd say it can go from <5% to >50%

FFS, use your brain and answer the question the way your interpret it! There are dozens of different setting combinations that make the game play out differently. I won't list all the different types of games and ask everyone's opinion on each one. That's stupid. Instead of brainfarting, maybe you should do something like this:
A normal person wrote:I think it's harder to recover from a game with escalating spoils than without spoils, I lose most of the games when my opponent drops a bonus, not sure which percentage I have.
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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby Jippd on Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:07 pm

I'd say it would be rare to recover from an opponent dropping the bonus.

If it was sunny you should definitely be screwed. If it is foggy and you know the map better than the other player then you MIGHT have a chance.

I never give up in any of my games so to answer your question even if I was behind and they dropped the bonus I would play it out til they win.

I have a decent record coming back and winning with an opponent starting with the bonus, but they are always people that don't know the map as well as me.
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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby Gillipig on Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:44 pm

Jippd wrote:I'd say it would be rare to recover from an opponent dropping the bonus.

If it was sunny you should definitely be screwed. If it is foggy and you know the map better than the other player then you MIGHT have a chance.

I never give up in any of my games so to answer your question even if I was behind and they dropped the bonus I would play it out til they win.

I have a decent record coming back and winning with an opponent starting with the bonus, but they are always people that don't know the map as well as me.

The reason I came to think about all this is that I just won a game where my opponent dropped a bonus, and I'm about to win a second one. Quite rare to have two consecutive games where your opponent drops bonuses, and even rarer to end up winning both I'd imagine. I've always counted my chances of winning when I'm being dropped against slim, but now I feel like I have to reevaluate. Like you said it does matter a lot who you're meeting.
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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby betiko on Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:42 pm

Gillipig wrote:
betiko wrote:
Gillipig wrote:How big of a chance do you give yourself if your opponent drops a bonus in 1v1? Dropping a bonus in Das Schloss is a huge advantage, do you pretty much give up hope winning the game, or do you still think you have a reasonable chance?


be more specific. start first or second, trench or not and the type of spoils, your drop, and the absence of your enemy in another bonus area. Depending on al those criterias I'd say it can go from <5% to >50%

FFS, use your brain and answer the question the way your interpret it! There are dozens of different setting combinations that make the game play out differently. I won't list all the different types of games and ask everyone's opinion on each one. That's stupid. Instead of brainfarting, maybe you should do something like this:
A normal person wrote:I think it's harder to recover from a game with escalating spoils than without spoils, I lose most of the games when my opponent drops a bonus, not sure which percentage I have.


the one that needs to use his brain is yourself, I answered your question.
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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby Gillipig on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:27 pm

betiko wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
betiko wrote:
Gillipig wrote:How big of a chance do you give yourself if your opponent drops a bonus in 1v1? Dropping a bonus in Das Schloss is a huge advantage, do you pretty much give up hope winning the game, or do you still think you have a reasonable chance?


be more specific. start first or second, trench or not and the type of spoils, your drop, and the absence of your enemy in another bonus area. Depending on al those criterias I'd say it can go from <5% to >50%

FFS, use your brain and answer the question the way your interpret it! There are dozens of different setting combinations that make the game play out differently. I won't list all the different types of games and ask everyone's opinion on each one. That's stupid. Instead of brainfarting, maybe you should do something like this:
A normal person wrote:I think it's harder to recover from a game with escalating spoils than without spoils, I lose most of the games when my opponent drops a bonus, not sure which percentage I have.


the one that needs to use his brain is yourself, I answered your question.

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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby betiko on Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:59 pm

Gillipig wrote:
betiko wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
betiko wrote:
Gillipig wrote:How big of a chance do you give yourself if your opponent drops a bonus in 1v1? Dropping a bonus in Das Schloss is a huge advantage, do you pretty much give up hope winning the game, or do you still think you have a reasonable chance?


be more specific. start first or second, trench or not and the type of spoils, your drop, and the absence of your enemy in another bonus area. Depending on al those criterias I'd say it can go from <5% to >50%

FFS, use your brain and answer the question the way your interpret it! There are dozens of different setting combinations that make the game play out differently. I won't list all the different types of games and ask everyone's opinion on each one. That's stupid. Instead of brainfarting, maybe you should do something like this:
A normal person wrote:I think it's harder to recover from a game with escalating spoils than without spoils, I lose most of the games when my opponent drops a bonus, not sure which percentage I have.


the one that needs to use his brain is yourself, I answered your question.

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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby Just_essence on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:18 pm

Above 50%? I'd say that's a bit large, but it is possible, I guess.
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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby Gillipig on Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:38 am

Just_essence wrote:Above 50%? I'd say that's a bit large, but it is possible, I guess.

You have officially never played the map! If you want to pose as a new member should not go around commenting on strategy for maps you've never (on this account) played.
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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby GoranZ on Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:05 am

Gillipig wrote:How big of a chance do you give yourself if your opponent drops a bonus in 1v1? Dropping a bonus in Das Schloss is a huge advantage, do you pretty much give up hope winning the game, or do you still think you have a reasonable chance?

If the opponent has a bonus it doesn't mean that he will win. He has advantage but that is limited since you should be able to get a bonus quickly also... But if you chose to wait long time then you increase your chances of losing.
There is another aspect that needs to be looked into. Where the opponent has his bonus... Having a bonus in the airport mainly is much better then in the castle.

Chance for wining are reasonable, despite opponents bonus. There are many examples where one player had a bonus and he didn't win...
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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby betiko on Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:09 am

and I think that in trench starting first is more determinant that starting second with a bonus...
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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby Gillipig on Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:59 am

GoranZ wrote:
Gillipig wrote:How big of a chance do you give yourself if your opponent drops a bonus in 1v1? Dropping a bonus in Das Schloss is a huge advantage, do you pretty much give up hope winning the game, or do you still think you have a reasonable chance?

If the opponent has a bonus it doesn't mean that he will win. He has advantage but that is limited since you should be able to get a bonus quickly also... But if you chose to wait long time then you increase your chances of losing.
There is another aspect that needs to be looked into. Where the opponent has his bonus... Having a bonus in the airport mainly is much better then in the castle.

Chance for wining are reasonable, despite opponents bonus. There are many examples where one player had a bonus and he didn't win...

This needs to be pointed out. If you drop a bonus in the airport, your opponent has to take down at least 9 neutral troops to even see one of your regions, and then he most likely have to take down more than one of them to avoid that you counterattack next turn. If you drop in the castle however, it's likely that he only has to take down 6 troops before he sees on of your regions, and then only has to take down one region to avoid an immediate counterattack. You could of course have a stack waiting for him nearby and might be able to counterattack the next turn anyway, but the same can be said for the airfield.
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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby GoranZ on Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:16 pm

Gillipig wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
Gillipig wrote:How big of a chance do you give yourself if your opponent drops a bonus in 1v1? Dropping a bonus in Das Schloss is a huge advantage, do you pretty much give up hope winning the game, or do you still think you have a reasonable chance?

If the opponent has a bonus it doesn't mean that he will win. He has advantage but that is limited since you should be able to get a bonus quickly also... But if you chose to wait long time then you increase your chances of losing.
There is another aspect that needs to be looked into. Where the opponent has his bonus... Having a bonus in the airport mainly is much better then in the castle.

Chance for wining are reasonable, despite opponents bonus. There are many examples where one player had a bonus and he didn't win...

This needs to be pointed out. If you drop a bonus in the airport, your opponent has to take down at least 9 neutral troops to even see one of your regions, and then he most likely have to take down more than one of them to avoid that you counterattack next turn. If you drop in the castle however, it's likely that he only has to take down 6 troops before he sees on of your regions, and then only has to take down one region to avoid an immediate counterattack. You could of course have a stack waiting for him nearby and might be able to counterattack the next turn anyway, but the same can be said for the airfield.


Read everything what I said, not just what looks dangerous. Having a bonus from the start in DS is not a guarantee for victory, never was, never will be. How that 3 extra units will be used is something else.
Generally we all want bonus from the start, not just in DS but in bunch of other maps, but although those bonuses give some advantage they mainly don't determine the winner.
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Re: Das Schloss, dropping bonus

Postby AslanTheKing on Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:28 pm

In das schloss having a bonus first leads to a victory in most cases,

unless somebody is unexperienced, or somebody misclicks, or if someone cant take his turn, or u can trade with 3
and have amazing rolls,

other than that, as soon u have a bonus, u win
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