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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby superkeener on Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:30 am

I am still going to keep my vote on spiesr, for at least a little longer. I think that Snow Miser and Heat Miser would both be 3rd party, and both are unaffiliated with either town or mafia.
The only problem I am seeing with lynching one of them is that it might somehow upset the balance, and perhaps the remaining miser brother might become OP.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby betiko on Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:36 pm

a little reminder of what we have so far:

jonty -> rudolph, town redirector
spiesr -> snow miser, 3rd party heat miser lyncher
soundman -> heat miser, 3rd party survivor
nendreel -> ?, possible town cop

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out of the other 11 (obviously no one suspects himself), who would you start the scum hunt on?
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby MoB Deadly on Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:00 pm

I would prefer to go after the quiet people for a bunch of reasons.

1. Inactives don't help hunt scum as accurately
2. Inactives can be easily steered by scum
3. Inactivity can easily be scum submarining.
4. I think it is more beneficial to us to get one of them to claim so we have information to go off of, instead of dealing with it later as we get closer to a possible losing scenario.
5. Inactives have less posts that they are responsible/accountable for. (like less voting and case trends)

This is why I still regret not even forcing claims on Day 1. I admit I got busy in RL though and was unable to push for a claim. We got a no lynch - and now we are back to shooting in the dark just like it was day 1.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby rishaed on Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:30 pm

MoB Deadly wrote:I would prefer to go after the quiet people for a bunch of reasons.

1. Inactives don't help hunt scum as accurately
2. Inactives can be easily steered by scum
3. Inactivity can easily be scum submarining.
4. I think it is more beneficial to us to get one of them to claim so we have information to go off of, instead of dealing with it later as we get closer to a possible losing scenario.
5. Inactives have less posts that they are responsible/accountable for. (like less voting and case trends)

This is why I still regret not even forcing claims on Day 1. I admit I got busy in RL though and was unable to push for a claim. We got a no lynch - and now we are back to shooting in the dark just like it was day 1.

I agree with all of the Above. However I don't have someone sticking out as a person to start pressuring. 8-[
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby Iron Butterfly on Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:51 pm

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betiko wrote:just reread day 1. there was another post where jonty was pretty clear about gifters being vts and non gifters having abilities, he really put a target on his head there... I wanted to check if someone else had been pretty clear about the same deal to see if someone would need protection, but it was more jonty.

otherwise, still not getting much about day 1.

ok, what do you guys think can there be third party in this game flavourwise? otherwise should we count on 4 mafia 12 townies?


I loved these Christmas shows as a kid. From a mafia standpoint having a third party is really at the discretion of the mod and his imagination. Flavor wise I think there is a strong possibility. Why? The protagonist, lets say Rudolph for an example, would be on an adventure and along the way would meet a variety of allies and villians

You got Heat Miser, Bumbles, the Lion King of Misfit Toys as but small examples Anything is possible.


Well I was right and it makes sense. Keep in mind survivors are not a threat to town. These two just need to fulfill their win condition. That is of course one chooses to believe them. If I had a choice between Spiesr or Soundman I would hands down lynch Soundman. Spiesr has been forthcoming with info in my opinion, Soundman??...not so much.

Edocscil has made a direct indication that one or the other would be night killed. I find it hard to believe he would be so forthcoming with that info if he were indeed a Vig.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby Nendreel on Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:22 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:Edocscil has made a direct indication that one or the other would be night killed. I find it hard to believe he would be so forthcoming with that info if he were indeed a Vig.


He's also guilty of skimming in that post and it has been his only post so far this Day, which makes him pretty minimally active.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby betiko on Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:25 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
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betiko wrote:just reread day 1. there was another post where jonty was pretty clear about gifters being vts and non gifters having abilities, he really put a target on his head there... I wanted to check if someone else had been pretty clear about the same deal to see if someone would need protection, but it was more jonty.

otherwise, still not getting much about day 1.

ok, what do you guys think can there be third party in this game flavourwise? otherwise should we count on 4 mafia 12 townies?


I loved these Christmas shows as a kid. From a mafia standpoint having a third party is really at the discretion of the mod and his imagination. Flavor wise I think there is a strong possibility. Why? The protagonist, lets say Rudolph for an example, would be on an adventure and along the way would meet a variety of allies and villians

You got Heat Miser, Bumbles, the Lion King of Misfit Toys as but small examples Anything is possible.


Well I was right and it makes sense. Keep in mind survivors are not a threat to town. These two just need to fulfill their win condition. That is of course one chooses to believe them. If I had a choice between Spiesr or Soundman I would hands down lynch Soundman. Spiesr has been forthcoming with info in my opinion, Soundman??...not so much.

Edocscil has made a direct indication that one or the other would be night killed. I find it hard to believe he would be so forthcoming with that info if he were indeed a Vig.



well, I guess he was more threatening of someone viging him, anyone can be a vig with 2 gifts.

otherwise, it's funny to see how people are just theorising here but no one makes a move. I know it's precisely what I'm doing in this post, but I've done a few moves already and I don't want to be the one starting all accusations. take your responsabilities people! You can't expect to start on a big thing. Mob, you're depicturing the type of target you would go for. fair enough, who out of the 11 left on my list are you going to go after? same goes for rishaed.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:38 pm

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soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.


One says "Cold Miser," the other says "Snow Miser."


I still would like to know whether there was a slip here or not. It was brought up again after I pointed it out, and we did not get a real answer.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby rishaed on Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:45 pm

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soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.


One says "Cold Miser," the other says "Snow Miser."


I still would like to know whether there was a slip here or not. It was brought up again after I pointed it out, and we did not get a real answer.

Mine is in red. . . The first part in the statement is True Survivor role which = stay alive in the game. The second part says "Its not truly a true survivor WC." You can't have it both ways. The first thing I would do in that case would be- someone here is trying to lynch me :!: Find them so they don't start confusion during the days trying to lynch me. :roll: As such unvote vote soundman
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby soundman on Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:36 pm

rishaed wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.


One says "Cold Miser," the other says "Snow Miser."


I still would like to know whether there was a slip here or not. It was brought up again after I pointed it out, and we did not get a real answer.

Mine is in red. . . The first part in the statement is True Survivor role which = stay alive in the game. The second part says "Its not truly a true survivor WC." You can't have it both ways. The first thing I would do in that case would be- someone here is trying to lynch me :!: Find them so they don't start confusion during the days trying to lynch me. :roll: As such unvote vote soundman

Do you really not understand that? I'm a survivor. I need to survive till endgame. The "twist" is that someone is actively trying to lynch me. Regular survivors do not have another person trying to lynch them to fulfill their win condition.

@Met: "Cold" and "Snow" are interchangeable. I was told that my brother the Snow Miser was after me but used Cold because that was what was on my mind at the time of my post. I'm not sure how you would see that as any sort of slip...
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby betiko on Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:55 pm

soundman wrote:
rishaed wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.


One says "Cold Miser," the other says "Snow Miser."


I still would like to know whether there was a slip here or not. It was brought up again after I pointed it out, and we did not get a real answer.

Mine is in red. . . The first part in the statement is True Survivor role which = stay alive in the game. The second part says "Its not truly a true survivor WC." You can't have it both ways. The first thing I would do in that case would be- someone here is trying to lynch me :!: Find them so they don't start confusion during the days trying to lynch me. :roll: As such unvote vote soundman

Do you really not understand that? I'm a survivor. I need to survive till endgame. The "twist" is that someone is actively trying to lynch me. Regular survivors do not have another person trying to lynch them to fulfill their win condition.

@Met: "Cold" and "Snow" are interchangeable. I was told that my brother the Snow Miser was after me but used Cold because that was what was on my mind at the time of my post. I'm not sure how you would see that as any sort of slip...


I personally think that even asking+insisting on such futile (cold vs snow) thing is scummy. Soundman's answer was more than obvious, what else was he going to respond.
I don't know, mets trips my scumdar since day 1, there is something not right about all his cases and him trying to make nendreel look scummy.


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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby thechuck51 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:08 pm

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edocsil wrote:Give us Mr. Heats name or you swing. TBH We have no reason to keep you around and at this point I simply assume you are lying about town win compatibility. We hang Heat, and if it sounds like leaving you alive after the scene isn't a dumb idea we wont NK you.

would you care to clarify on who "we" is and your ability to night kill?

unvote (if necessary) vote edoc. I would still like to know who "we" is.

as far has heat/cold miser go, I say we let them be for now. we could always lynch one of them if we get close to deadline.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby anamainiacks on Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:10 pm

soundman wrote:Do you really not understand that? I'm a survivor. I need to survive till endgame. The "twist" is that someone is actively trying to lynch me. Regular survivors do not have another person trying to lynch them to fulfill their win condition.

@Met: "Cold" and "Snow" are interchangeable. I was told that my brother the Snow Miser was after me but used Cold because that was what was on my mind at the time of my post. I'm not sure how you would see that as any sort of slip...
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anamainiacks wrote:And so you mean to say that pcm clearly stated/implied in his PM to you that the Snow Miser (soundman) is an exact opposite if your role - nothing more, nothing less?
My pm does not make any direct statements about Soundman's role, apart from his character being the Heat Miser, but it does imply it to an extent.

I think one of the problems is that spiesr seems to believe firmly that your role is a mirror of his, though he may have interpreted his role PM wrongly.

Between the two of them (if we are forced to choose between just them), I'm more inclined to target spiesr, if we take their own accounts for their role to be true. If spiesr does fulfill his win condition, he might be removed from the game as a winner, and that'll lower the townies' vote count further. On the other hand if we take spiesr out first, soundman will still be around to contribute to the townies' vote.


edocsil wrote:Give us Mr. Heats name or you swing. TBH We have no reason to keep you around and at this point I simply assume you are lying about town win compatibility. We hang Heat, and if it sounds like leaving you alive after the scene isn't a dumb idea we wont NK you.

I'm still suspicious about edoscil. His only post for Day 2 showed he wasn't reading the posts properly, and his mention of the NK set off my alarms. I don't necessarily think scum would make such a terrible slip, but even if he was a Vig / intended to trade gifts for a Vig, NK is not something you'd mention in such a fashion, so I think we should pressure for a claim. Unvote, vote edoscil.

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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby rishaed on Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:49 pm

Im not convinced on the Edoc case, however soundmans reply satisfies me. so unvote
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby superkeener on Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:32 am

This Snow/Heat miser situation has settled down to me, for now so UNVOTE
The edoscil NK comment is interesting, but I am not for sure if it warrants a vote from me just yet. I would like to hear from him first.

I was in favor of a D1 NL, but that can not be the case for D2. We have to send someone to the wolves. Later today, I am going to re-read D2, and hopefully have a more-informed FOS list.
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