[Official] Holiday Mafia - Game Over!

[MoB Deadly]

Yeah but as far as i know you had no night action spiesr?

even if someone has an action, they are still not notified upon roleblock. Remember Nightmare before Christmas mafia betiko? I fake claimed bus driver and that I was notified I was roleblocked and everyone immediately jumped on me because that was false? I messed that up and that is a big reason I got lynched.

another example, if someone is a doctor and chooses to protect someone, and they are roleblocked.... they are not notified their protection didn't go through. They can only assume something like that happened to the action if the player that was supposed to be protected ends up dying

[MoB Deadly]

Neither Mob nor Soundman have done anything to help Town other then to beg and whine about why we should not vote them. Now we are suppose to let MoB win under the logic that we will have three pro Town Votes when they would have no motivation to do so combined with the fact he with held information. Gimme a break. We have no idea what is the truth and what is not.

Im quoting this again because this pissed me off. Ive been the one in here saying hey lets make a case, hey lets make a case, this game is going to slow. The ONLY time I haven't been around was the past half-week or so and I was even missing turns on CC. You have been submarining not making a single case this whole game.

I was the one who made a case against superkeener. Yea, I was wrong, but I made an attempt, in which enough people were convinced. But I HAVE tried to catch scum this game unlike you, who comes in and is just voting with the bandwagon.

[MoB Deadly]

Okay I went back. Looks like you were one of the forerunners for the Betiko case.

So I was active when you were inactive. And you were active while I was inactive. I can see why you would accuse me. Fine.

[Iron Butterfly]

I was not inactive while you were active. I was accused of submarining/being inactive because of my post count early in the game. while my post count was not as large as others I still participated and have been fully active in regards to all votes. You were inactive at perhaps the most crucial part of the game and had information that was extremely important to the survival of Betiko.

You have also withheld information weather by accident or on purpose. You have played this game to many times to make mistakes like that.

[MoB Deadly]

I was not inactive while you were active. I was accused of submarining/being inactive because of my post count early in the game. while my post count was not as large as others I still participated and have been fully active in regards to all votes. You were inactive at perhaps the most crucial part of the game and had information that was extremely important to the survival of Betiko.

You have also withheld information weather by accident or on purpose. You have played this game to many times to make mistakes like that.

bullshit.
In Day 1, you have a GRAND TOTAL of 3 posts, most of which are jokes.
In Day 2, you have a GRAND TOTAL of 3 posts in Day 2. And one of them was responding to me calling you out.

and bullshit again!
In Day 1, you cast 1 SINGLE VOTE. Which was unvoted because it was a joke.
In Day 2, you cast 1 SINGLE VOTE on Soundman, thats it.

Then finally in Day 3 you come out hard against Betiko.

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I forgave you for your inactiveness and have not brought it up again. But then you go as far to say that I have been the one inactive!? And I like how you completely ignored my rebuttal where you try to frame where I am begging town to not lynch soundman or myself, and not doing anything to help town, I have done none of those things you accused me of. Seriously, get your facts straight.

[MoB Deadly]

Actually the more I think of it, the more this sounds fishy. Wouldn't it make sense for IB to be mafia?

Day 1, IB submarines all day, no one cares, cool lets keep it going.
Day 2, IB submarines again, I call him out. He talks with scum buddies and they probably have a game plan. 1. get IB to stop submarining so he does not get accused again. 2. Try to lynch the "leader" of the game because once scum takes out of the top posters in the game, this game will slow down even more so they can submarine again. IB could of volunteered to lead the case.
Day 3 comes around, he blitzes right out the door and accuses betiko.

Its all speculation..... but seriously, the more I look at it, the more IB looks like mafia to me.

[MoB Deadly]

And here is my evidence to show I was truly away from the computer.

Betikos case got heat on Feb 20th.
Betiko claims on Feb 21st.

I made my rushed vote on the 22nd.
And the weekend I got my turns under control, but did not play mafia.

Here I am away the 19th -> 20th

And here I am away on the 21st -> 22nd.

Oh and guess what: heres my post that I made on the 22nd. So I came in, noticed it was almost deadline, and realized I could possibly win the game right now.

I find it a sly move that betiko voted for Soundman. It looks like hes trying to draw the spiesr vote. i also felt Betiko was scummy before Little Witt was called out

That is probably exactly what he was going for.

That is very very interesting and one of the most outright scummiest things I've seen so far.

Ill be honest, I have not reviewed the entire case front to back and every little detail, but what I have gotten from the highlights, this sticks out the most to me.

disclaimer: my vote could possibly change upon fully reading the case, but as of right now I am leaning about 70/30 towards betiko

unvote vote betiko

Oh so right there... I ADMIT that I haven't even read the whole case. So obviously, I didnt HIDE the fact that Betiko claims he gave me a gift on Night 1, but I just missed it, in the walls of text that was posted. But go ahead, keep trying to frame me. Unlike you, I back up the things I have to say with hard evidence. And unlike you, I am a third party who will probably end up being a survivor with absolutely nothing to hide. I hope that scares you and your scum buddies. You are probably just going to have to waste a kill on me so I get off your tail.

[Iron Butterfly]

The reason your so defensive is your win condition is at stake. Plain and simple. This is the most chatty you've been.

[MoB Deadly]

The reason your so defensive is your win condition is at stake. Plain and simple. This is the most chatty you've been.

- No Im chatty because you just told 4 straight lies directed at me.

You make me laugh IB.

[pancakemix]

Vote Count

Soundman (rish, animaniacks, Witt, IB, Spiesr)
No Lynch (soundman, Mets)

Everything following spier's vote was post-deadline, and as such disregarded.

Soundman has been lynched. Scene upcoming.

[MoB Deadly]

Ok, then it looks like im 3rd part survivor...

Ill continue to stay active and help town.

[pancakemix]

Holiday depression began to set in as the town hadn't found any scum yet. Tensions began to rise and the Christmas characters bickered amongst themselves. The voting came down to soundman and betiko. Further debate ensued, and soundman was chosen. His hands were tied so he could be led off, but the rope burned up after he was tied. He tried to make a getaway, but he was summarily run over by a reindeer.

Soundman, The Heat Miser, 3rd Party Lyncher has been lynched.

Spiesr, The Snow Miser, 3rd Party Lyncher has won, and is removed from play.

It is now Night 3. You have 48 hours to submit actions.

[pancakemix]

A cold wind blew across the Kringle residence that night. The cold had overtaken everything since the Heat Miser's demise. Tanta Kringle tried as hard as she might to get a small fire going, but to no avail. She knew what stood outside her cottage: the vicious Winter Warlock. Normally, he kept to his own territory but lately he had been expanding for reasons unknown. Tanta Kringle threw a carved wooden doll on the embers in her stove, in slim hopes that she could have some warmth. The door suddenly swung open, and the wizard stood in the doorway. He raised his hand, and the doll burst into flames. The whole house was soon alight, and the warlock collapsed the doorframe behind him as he left. Tanta, with no way out, sent a bird to her adopted son, Kris. He did not arrive until frigid morning found its frost on the shell of the Kringle cottage. He wept, for he knew that now, Christmas would be hard to save.

NoSurvivors, Tanta Kringle, Town Toymaker has been killed



It is Day 4. With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. You have until March 12 to reach a lynch.

[MoB Deadly]

vote Iron Butterfly unless anyone else has indisputable evidence.

[MoB Deadly]

I was told that my gifts were stolen last night.

However I was never told I received any gifts.

[betiko]

I hate to tell this... Nos was my night 2&3 recipient... I couldn't send to anyone on the 5 list after spiesr being out of the game, I thought of sending it to mets to get a point but having him with a power next night seemed like too much of a stunt. Also nos being inactive I planned on taking over his role with 2 gifts if I ever got lynched.. It looks bad I know but nos being the target was really unlikely!

Why IB mob?

[betiko]

killed/out of the game:
jonty -> rudolph, town redirector
Kanin Usagi -> little drummer boy, town inspiration
superkeener -> baby new year, town roleblocker (roleblocked spiesr night 1)
NoSurvivors ->Tanta Kringle, Town Toymaker
Soundman, The Heat Miser, 3rd Party Lyncher
Spiesr, The Snow Miser, 3rd Party Lyncher

claims:
nendreel/gustaf -> ?, (town?) cop (investigated spiesr night 1, confirmed result; roleblocked night 2)
betiko -> Jessica Claus, town gifter (received a limited time voucher sent a gift to mob night 1; got his gifts stolen and sent a gift to NoS night 2; sent a gift to NoS night 3)
Little Witt -> Santa Claus, town "super" gifter (sent gifts to spiesr, rishaed, Kanin, jonty, and Mets night 1: to betiko night 2 (stolen))
Mob deadly -> Mother Nature - Third party Finder/Lyncher (didn't receive betiko's gift night 1; found spiesr night 2; became a a survivor and was stolen his gifts night 3)


we know nothing of the following 6 players.
rishaed
edocsil
anamainiacks
Iron Butterfly
Metsfanmax
thechuck51

Ok the situation looks bad enough to start counting. There are probably 3 mafia out there (gift stealer, roleblocker and someone performing kills as we saw night 2 they were able to do all 3 at the same time.). I think that all 4 claims are legit and that the 3 mafia are in that list of 6. We are probably 6 town vs 3 mafia so I think we don't have room for myslynches anymore.
I'm in favour of a massclaim; it's all going to be about gifts from now on so revealing town power roles isn't going to do much.

[edocsil]

Massclaim at 10? seems a little rash, but w/e.

[betiko]

Massclaim at 10? seems a little rash, but w/e.

technically it's 6 claims to go, and if we don't count the 3rd party, we are probably 3/9 scums.
I would think that there's 3/6 in that unclaimed list. My bet would be rishaed/anamainiaks/mets but the only one I'm pretty sure of is mets.

[MoB Deadly]

Why IB mob?

Didn't you see the flare of discussion at the end of yesterday? He just straight up lied on 4 separate occasions, framing my intentions as if they were not town intentions.

[Metsfanmax]

I hate to tell this... Nos was my night 2&3 recipient

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It looks bad I know but nos being the target was really unlikely!

It's incredibly convenient for you that your gift target, who was supposedly going to prove to everyone that you're town, died tonight. Also, it makes absolutely no sense to send a gift to the same person twice if you want to use them to prove that you're a real gifter; he could have confirmed that on D3, if you really did give him a gift on N2. The only reason I'm not voting for you yet is that your admission is almost too forward to be anything other than the truth. I'll have to think on this.

[MoB Deadly]

If NS was a "toymaker" then what is a town gifter?

[betiko]

I don't know I didn't see much in your conversations with IB. Not that I'm saying that he isn't guilty, but it was much more about activity issues ect... From all the games I've played with him it doesn't surprise me. Sometimes he'll completely disapear for a week or so, then he becomes really active when he's around. He's already told us that there's some RL problems he has to deal with lately.

fastposted.

what can I say mets. I really didn't expect NOS to be targetted, and I don't think any of us was expecting that. The plan was spiesr, now you're gonna tell me it's very convenient from me cause I would know he was going to get out of the game for winning (he told us he needed to hammer in order to win). Out of the 5 there were 3 dead/out (jonty, kanin, spiesr) and 2 guys I suspect to be mafia since post 1 of day 1, you and rishaed. I really thought I would go for a stunt a send a gift to you to see if you would admit it or not though. Like I said, I went for Nos cause he made it pretty clear on day 1 he was a gifter (by the way what is a toymaker PCM? you've described every killed's role so far except for NOS).
I don't know if gustaf is around but I hope he made an investigation last night as he had completely disapeared. What do you think of a massclaim mets, did PCM provide you with a cool fakeclaim? or you will have to make something up?

[betiko]

If NS was a "toymaker" then what is a town gifter?

here is something that would really suck: no toymaker = no more gifts.... if it's the case we're screwed, unless the gift stealer is town...

[Metsfanmax]

what can I say mets. I really didn't expect NOS to be targetted, and I don't think any of us was expecting that. The plan was spiesr, now you're gonna tell me it's very convenient from me cause I would know he was going to get out of the game for winning (he told us he needed to hammer in order to win). Out of the 5 there were 3 dead/out (jonty, kanin, spiesr) and 2 guys I suspect to be mafia since post 1 of day 1, you and rishaed.

This is terrible reasoning. If you wanted to send it to someone who you were sure would survive, you could have just sent to Little Witt, who the doctor was probably protecting last night.

I really thought I would go for a stunt a send a gift to you to see if you would admit it or not though.

That would have been a good play, although I can see why you would be reluctant to send a gift to someone who you think is scum.

What do you think of a massclaim mets, did PCM provide you with a cool fakeclaim? or you will have to make something up?

I am town, and I have nothing to make up. My first reaction is that mass claim is a good thing because of the fact that basically everyone who has died was (or could have been) a town ally. So we're getting picked off fast and need a way to turn it around.