Night Strike wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:but even just sticking with the above, to claim taht no one is denied a procedure because iNSURANCE won't cover it, because the employer has decided its their personal business to dictate the health care other people get.... that is just a ludicrous assumption on your part.
There are tons of procedures not covered by insurance policies, yet no one is denied getting those procedures...they just have to provide the payments themselves.
which is prohibitively expensive in the case of medical care, which is WHY people have insurance.
These women are not getting any deduction, and if they did it would amount to mere pennies --no where near enough to pay for the denied procedures. It is not about money, it is about control... about men controlling what women do and using whatever excuse they think will fly to do it.
Night Strike wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:And, to claim that I have to pay extra for coverage because I am a woman is descrimination, and that IS what is mandated.
The people who use more health insurance should have to pay more for health insurance. That's basic economics (but you're banning economics from the health industry).
No, I am saying that what you claim to an economic argument is not truly and economic argument. The ultimate problem is that people cannot either predict OR control their health usage. I was born female. I need things that you do not because I am female. Some people are born with tendencies to high blood pressure. They can only control certain factors, not the disease. You have no idea if you will get cancer, will get hit buy a bus and wind up paralyzed from the neck down tommorrow. That you think this is something that you CAN control means you are either extremely stupid or a bully who thinks its perfectly OK to judge people based on things entirely outside their control.
Night Strike wrote:Furthermore, if you say it's discrimination to charge more for using more health insurance, isn't it also discrimination to mandate that women now get free coverage for contraceptives?
#1. Contraceptives are not “free”, as you keep insisting. Women PAY for their insurance, usually with copayments, payroll deduction, but even if the employer pays the entire bill, it is paid for with their work. That the employer pays part of the compensation with insurance does not mean its not compensation for work. AND, as I said many times before, a fact you can research quite easily if you had any interest in actually educating yourself about this instead of just spouting off what you think is true… the reason employers now buy insurance is because it benefitted THEM. They got to provide a higher level of compensation for less money – the same as some employers provide housing or other benefits. That has changed, but because the medical care available has changed.
Night Strike wrote:All it does is switch which gender is paying more money; the discrimination hasn't disappeared. But I'm guessing that the removal of discrimination is not your goal.
I see, so you are under the impression that men will be paying more for their insurance? No, they are not.
And, if you are trying to somehow claim that providing female services is “discrimination”.. well, guess what, male sexual issues are covered quite well.
What makes it discrimination is the fact that women don’t get to choose their gender, at least most women.
Night Strike wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:Claiming this is about money is stupid. We are talking about , literally a few cents, out of any policy... and none of that is going to be refunded women who are denied this particular kind of coverage. They will just have to pay more. So, it really is about folks bullying others into doing as THEY think. Whether I use birth control, get my tubes tied, have episiotomy, or a D& C is just not ANYONE else's business except my husband's. It certainly is not your or anyone else's right to claim that they have some moral obligation to dictate what insurance I can have or not have.
Its just a back door attempt to dictate to women what they can do.
Then f***ing pay for your own damn health care!!!!!
I AM, or, in my case, my husband is, since family coverage is far, far cheaper than 2 individual policies.
AND… why don’t you just do without insurance?.. Oh, that’s right, you seem to think that is a perfectly rational and intelligent choice that adults ought to be able to make (at least male ones)… and that is why emergency rooms are filled with people who “oops, cannot pay” because they were just like you and thought they could do with “just the basics” of “what they will actually use”. And don’t try to claim “oh, I have major medical” or “I have emergency coverage”, because I can guarantee, that coverage will disappear very, very fast post any major accident or illness, if the healthcare law is eliminated.
Night Strike wrote:If it's none of my business what goes on in your bedroom, then stop making me pay for what goes on in your bedroom!!!!! No one is denying you the ability to get all of those treatments simply because they may or may not be paid for by the insurance an employer provides. If you actually cared about being logical, you would be demanding that every single treatment in existence must be provided by every single insurance policy. Instead, you just want to mandate the things you want for yourself in the name of "choice". You can still choose to pay for procedures on your own dime....no one is denying you that option.
This isn’t about bedrooms or choice. This is about MEDICAL CARE. Just because you dislike women’s healthcare doesn’t give you the right to decide that this is some kind of optional coverage.
I and others have gone into detail over ways this is absolutely NOT about women just deciding to have sex and not have babies or any other issue.. never mind the whole male domination bit, the FACT that many women plain and simply don’t decide their sexual activity on their own, but do wind up having to bear the biggest burdens.
This is not about your views or morals. It is about healthcare. Doctors, not clergy .. or employers get to decide that.