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Postby cleveridea on Tue May 08, 2007 5:38 pm

Guilty_Biscuit wrote:I've grown to like the list for the following reasons:

1) There is only 1 person on the list - simtom
2) Since being put on the list simtom has started to play games

Nothing to complain about - yet.


I have grown to like the use of nuclear weapons.

1) Only enemies of the U.S. have been killed with them
2) Since being used, U.S. citizens haven't been killed by them

So, we should obviously use more of them on our enemies. Fundamental reasons for things don't matter, just results.
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Postby GrazingCattle on Wed May 09, 2007 2:05 pm

cleveridea wrote:
Guilty_Biscuit wrote:I've grown to like the list for the following reasons:

1) There is only 1 person on the list - simtom
2) Since being put on the list simtom has started to play games

Nothing to complain about - yet.


I have grown to like the use of nuclear weapons.

1) Only enemies of the U.S. have been killed with them
2) Since being used, U.S. citizens haven't been killed by them

So, we should obviously use more of them on our enemies. Fundamental reasons for things don't matter, just results.



Requesting that this be officially moved to the flame wars. I am popping on today because I have some extra time and I see this idiot!

GFY Cleveridea

This was a good project that could easily have been accepted or shunned by the community. Comparing the ignore list to a red dawn scenario is insane! It is your poor since or moral standards that has lead to the downfall of western nations. You permissive attitude towards those that have shown ill will to the community at large is forcing the mods to be more permissive.

morals aside this was meant to be a place for the community to restore its power to judge a persons actions, instead of saying the mods should make the calls on what or what isn't appropriate behavior. This was a healthy outlet for the community to express their opinion on certain behaviors.

The spirit of this world has shown through. You claim that you aren't defending people's actions, yet by permitting it to go on "unnoticed" is the same as tolerating.

A person who thinks that this list was a witch hunt on the horizon was mistaken about human nature. Maybe you should examine yourself and find out how you would act in my position.

I saw a community with now vocal point. No way of enforcing its own will. No mechanism to condemn people's poor behavior.

This was a program that was very dear to me. I felt that most would see it's merits and help to work out any flaws, by helping. Instead I was met with opposition by many and by disrespect by others. I have said many times that if there was NO criticism of the list it would be a terrible idea. Constructive criticism has it's place. For some they attacked me, calling me a megalomaniac who needed to get of my high horse. They accused me of forming the committee of only my "goons". Most on the committee had never met me before and when I tried to contact opposer's of the list to join the committee so that they could help insure a fair list they turned me down.

You illogical fallacies put aside, you cannot maintain a view that the committee approved list is wrong. It is based on the same principles as the United States Government. The only way to say that rule by the people is fair is by election. All committee members were going to be elected on regular basis, but the founding Committee was formed to handle business immediately.

You have helped me to decide to leave CC for good. Before this I felt strongly that there was mostly good in man. Your comments have shown me that you don't agree. For this point the CSIL cannot work.

Good luck all!

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Postby freezie on Wed May 09, 2007 2:07 pm

:cry: No don't leave!


Gah.... :cry:




Anyway...it seemed most of the members weren't even showing up on the other thread anyway..
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Postby GrazingCattle on Wed May 09, 2007 2:10 pm

freezie wrote::cry: No don't leave!


Gah.... :cry:




Anyway...it seemed most of the members weren't even showing up on the other thread anyway..


I hadn't officially started gathering data and proof of claims being launched yet. Thats why no one had showed up yet. Best of luck Freezie!
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Postby alster on Wed May 09, 2007 2:50 pm

GrazingCattle wrote:Requesting that this be officially moved to the flame wars. I am popping on today because I have some extra time and I see this idiot!

GFY Cleveridea

This was a good project that could easily have been accepted or shunned by the community. Comparing the ignore list to a red dawn scenario is insane! It is your poor since or moral standards that has lead to the downfall of western nations. You permissive attitude towards those that have shown ill will to the community at large is forcing the mods to be more permissive.

morals aside this was meant to be a place for the community to restore its power to judge a persons actions, instead of saying the mods should make the calls on what or what isn't appropriate behavior. This was a healthy outlet for the community to express their opinion on certain behaviors.

The spirit of this world has shown through. You claim that you aren't defending people's actions, yet by permitting it to go on "unnoticed" is the same as tolerating.

A person who thinks that this list was a witch hunt on the horizon was mistaken about human nature. Maybe you should examine yourself and find out how you would act in my position.

I saw a community with now vocal point. No way of enforcing its own will. No mechanism to condemn people's poor behavior.

This was a program that was very dear to me. I felt that most would see it's merits and help to work out any flaws, by helping. Instead I was met with opposition by many and by disrespect by others. I have said many times that if there was NO criticism of the list it would be a terrible idea. Constructive criticism has it's place. For some they attacked me, calling me a megalomaniac who needed to get of my high horse. They accused me of forming the committee of only my "goons". Most on the committee had never met me before and when I tried to contact opposer's of the list to join the committee so that they could help insure a fair list they turned me down.

You illogical fallacies put aside, you cannot maintain a view that the committee approved list is wrong. It is based on the same principles as the United States Government. The only way to say that rule by the people is fair is by election. All committee members were going to be elected on regular basis, but the founding Committee was formed to handle business immediately.

You have helped me to decide to leave CC for good. Before this I felt strongly that there was mostly good in man. Your comments have shown me that you don't agree. For this point the CSIL cannot work.

Good luck all!

GC


Get off your high horses... please... :roll:
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Postby GrazingCattle on Wed May 09, 2007 2:58 pm

alstergren wrote:
GrazingCattle wrote:Requesting that this be officially moved to the flame wars. I am popping on today because I have some extra time and I see this idiot!

GFY Cleveridea

This was a good project that could easily have been accepted or shunned by the community. Comparing the ignore list to a red dawn scenario is insane! It is your poor since or moral standards that has lead to the downfall of western nations. You permissive attitude towards those that have shown ill will to the community at large is forcing the mods to be more permissive.

morals aside this was meant to be a place for the community to restore its power to judge a persons actions, instead of saying the mods should make the calls on what or what isn't appropriate behavior. This was a healthy outlet for the community to express their opinion on certain behaviors.

The spirit of this world has shown through. You claim that you aren't defending people's actions, yet by permitting it to go on "unnoticed" is the same as tolerating.

A person who thinks that this list was a witch hunt on the horizon was mistaken about human nature. Maybe you should examine yourself and find out how you would act in my position.

I saw a community with now vocal point. No way of enforcing its own will. No mechanism to condemn people's poor behavior.

This was a program that was very dear to me. I felt that most would see it's merits and help to work out any flaws, by helping. Instead I was met with opposition by many and by disrespect by others. I have said many times that if there was NO criticism of the list it would be a terrible idea. Constructive criticism has it's place. For some they attacked me, calling me a megalomaniac who needed to get of my high horse. They accused me of forming the committee of only my "goons". Most on the committee had never met me before and when I tried to contact opposer's of the list to join the committee so that they could help insure a fair list they turned me down.

You illogical fallacies put aside, you cannot maintain a view that the committee approved list is wrong. It is based on the same principles as the United States Government. The only way to say that rule by the people is fair is by election. All committee members were going to be elected on regular basis, but the founding Committee was formed to handle business immediately.

You have helped me to decide to leave CC for good. Before this I felt strongly that there was mostly good in man. Your comments have shown me that you don't agree. For this point the CSIL cannot work.

Good luck all!

GC


Get off your high horses... please... :roll:


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Postby cleveridea on Wed May 09, 2007 4:35 pm

GrazingCattle wrote:Requesting that this be officially moved to the flame wars.

I agree, your cursing and personal attacks justify this.

GrazingCattle wrote:This was a good project that could easily have been accepted or shunned by the community.

And, to a significant extent it was shunned. Why can't you accept that without crying?

GrazingCattle wrote:Comparing the ignore list to a red dawn scenario is insane!

Do you lack all knowledege of classical debate? Just in case you need a lesson: demonstrating the irrationality of another's point by equating effectively to another irrational point is a common tool of argument.

GrazingCattle wrote: It is your poor since or moral standards that has lead to the downfall of western nations. You permissive attitude towards those that have shown ill will to the community at large is forcing the mods to be more permissive.

Example? Obviously your debate skills largely exist of unsupported claims - exacty how I feared this committee would be run.

GrazingCattle wrote:...morals aside this was meant to be a place for the community to restore its power to judge a persons actions, instead of saying the mods should make the calls on what or what isn't appropriate behavior. This was a healthy outlet for the community to express their opinion on certain behaviors.

Again, example? Who asked anyone to stop expressing their opinions in any way? Just because people with better logical faculties and genuine maturity took away the little soapbox you were standing on, doesn't mean that you couldn't express your opinions from the same altitude as everyone else. The amount of non sequitors you employ is staggering!

GrazingCattle wrote:You claim that you aren't defending people's actions, yet by permitting it to go on "unnoticed" is the same as tolerating.

I'm not encouraging any undesirable game behavior to go unnoticed. I'm encouraging people to ignore your observations of others.

GrazingCattle wrote:I saw a community with now vocal point. No way of enforcing its own will. No mechanism to condemn people's poor behavior.

What do you call the forums, the feedback system and everyone's personal ability to ignore playing with whomever they please? The tools of free association and free disassociation are tremendously successful on this site.

GrazingCattle wrote:This was a program that was very dear to me. I felt that most would see it's merits and help to work out any flaws, by helping. Instead I was met with opposition by many and by disrespect by others.

So you are saying that being met by opposition when you present an idea means you were wronged? Calling a very bad idea a very bad idea is not disrespect. That's how the forum of ideas in the real world works.

GrazingCattle wrote:... when I tried to contact opposer's of the list to join the committee so that they could help insure a fair list they turned me down.

You never contacted me. But, I would have turned you down as well. I can't tell you how proud I am of those who shunned you privately in such a consistent manner.

GrazingCattle wrote:You illogical fallacies put aside, you cannot maintain a view that the committee approved list is wrong.

You have yet to support any claim you've made by example, never punctured any dissenters' claims with anything more elegant the "GFY" So, don't make us all laugh by such weak statements.


GrazingCattle wrote: The only way to say that rule by the people is fair is by election. All committee members were going to be elected on regular basis, but the founding Committee was formed to handle business immediately.

Even if this committee were "duly" elected, I would equally oppose its fundamental nature. Nonetheless you've poked even greater holes in your own mental makeup. How high was the burden to have the election up front? How pressing was the emergency that the time needed for such and election was unavailable? Such despotic claims have been made by the Bolsheviks coming into power and every other dictator seizing power of anything.

GrazingCattle wrote:You have helped me to decide to leave CC for good.

Win-win. Either you do leave, or you continue to participate in CC and demonstrate beyond anyone's doubt that your appeals to emotional claims are all that you have in your bag to make a point.

GrazingCattle wrote:... the CSIL cannot work.

Even on this point, we disagree. I think it easily could work. If I thought it couldn't work, I wouldn't have bothered pointing out its flaws to everyone. Although it "working" would be a functioning witch hunt, especially considering its founder's inability to stick to his guns without resorting to either cute swearing acronyms or emotional appeals.

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Postby simtom on Wed May 09, 2007 8:08 pm

lol nice list you've got there!



I think the people that are spending their time on this need a social life, lol

All this effort just to add me to your ignore list when you probably already had me there XD
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Postby GreecePwns on Wed May 09, 2007 9:04 pm

cleveridea wrote:
Guilty_Biscuit wrote:I've grown to like the list for the following reasons:

1) There is only 1 person on the list - simtom
2) Since being put on the list simtom has started to play games

Nothing to complain about - yet.


I have grown to like the use of nuclear weapons.

1) Only enemies of the U.S. have been killed with them
2) Since being used, U.S. citizens haven't been killed by them

So, we should obviously use more of them on our enemies. Fundamental reasons for things don't matter, just results.


1. Totally irrelevant
2. Are you sick in the head? You have no value of human life at all as we can see. Your retarted statement now has a perfectly good member of CC and a perfectly good suggestion going down the drain. I mean, yes, he might have overreacted a bit, but really, GFY.
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Postby Nameless One on Wed May 09, 2007 11:41 pm

GrazingCattle wrote:
cleveridea wrote:
Guilty_Biscuit wrote:I've grown to like the list for the following reasons:

1) There is only 1 person on the list - simtom
2) Since being put on the list simtom has started to play games

Nothing to complain about - yet.


I have grown to like the use of nuclear weapons.

1) Only enemies of the U.S. have been killed with them
2) Since being used, U.S. citizens haven't been killed by them

So, we should obviously use more of them on our enemies. Fundamental reasons for things don't matter, just results.



Requesting that this be officially moved to the flame wars. I am popping on today because I have some extra time and I see this idiot!

GFY Cleveridea

This was a good project that could easily have been accepted or shunned by the community. Comparing the ignore list to a red dawn scenario is insane! It is your poor since or moral standards that has lead to the downfall of western nations. You permissive attitude towards those that have shown ill will to the community at large is forcing the mods to be more permissive.

morals aside this was meant to be a place for the community to restore its power to judge a persons actions, instead of saying the mods should make the calls on what or what isn't appropriate behavior. This was a healthy outlet for the community to express their opinion on certain behaviors.

The spirit of this world has shown through. You claim that you aren't defending people's actions, yet by permitting it to go on "unnoticed" is the same as tolerating.

A person who thinks that this list was a witch hunt on the horizon was mistaken about human nature. Maybe you should examine yourself and find out how you would act in my position.

I saw a community with now vocal point. No way of enforcing its own will. No mechanism to condemn people's poor behavior.

This was a program that was very dear to me. I felt that most would see it's merits and help to work out any flaws, by helping. Instead I was met with opposition by many and by disrespect by others. I have said many times that if there was NO criticism of the list it would be a terrible idea. Constructive criticism has it's place. For some they attacked me, calling me a megalomaniac who needed to get of my high horse. They accused me of forming the committee of only my "goons". Most on the committee had never met me before and when I tried to contact opposer's of the list to join the committee so that they could help insure a fair list they turned me down.

You illogical fallacies put aside, you cannot maintain a view that the committee approved list is wrong. It is based on the same principles as the United States Government. The only way to say that rule by the people is fair is by election. All committee members were going to be elected on regular basis, but the founding Committee was formed to handle business immediately.

You have helped me to decide to leave CC for good. Before this I felt strongly that there was mostly good in man. Your comments have shown me that you don't agree. For this point the CSIL cannot work.

Good luck all!

GC


GC, don't quit, we need more people like u. Don't let those people influence u. Their side, (which none of u have yet to give me a good reason for not having this list) makes no sense and u should start ignoring them because in the end they will hurt the cc comunity.
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Postby hulmey on Thu May 10, 2007 7:00 am

i think we should put GC on the list!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby simtom on Thu May 10, 2007 10:23 am

You have helped me to decide to leave CC for good. Before this I felt strongly that there was mostly good in man. Your comments have shown me that you don't agree. For this point the CSIL cannot work.



Yay he's gone :lol:


What a looser, lol.
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Postby freezie on Thu May 10, 2007 10:30 am

simtom wrote:
You have helped me to decide to leave CC for good. Before this I felt strongly that there was mostly good in man. Your comments have shown me that you don't agree. For this point the CSIL cannot work.



Yay he's gone :lol:


What a looser, lol.




Too bad I am willing to continue this List if he gives me the permission to... :lol:

And he is far from beeing a loser, he is trying to help the site.
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Postby simtom on Thu May 10, 2007 10:43 am

lol, you'll probably just cry and say you're leaving the site too!



You really think I care about being on this list? lol, no-one uses it :lol:


and he is a loser, wasting so much of his own time just to leave coz of some guy's post. He obviously wanted a responce like "noo don't leave! please! we're sorry you were right!" he's not left, he just wanted attention. Guarenteed we'll see him back here in a week or so =p
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Postby podge on Thu May 10, 2007 10:48 am

GC. there is no need to leave CC. When you joined I don't think it was with the intention of improving the site for everybody else, I should imagine you joined to play a few games and have a bit of fun. Go back to how you were before you got involved in the politics on the site, leave the forums alone and just play. I know it feels like a kick in the teeth but did you really expect everybody to welcome your idea with open arms ? You were always going to be shot down and ridiculed by some members.
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Postby Nameless One on Thu May 10, 2007 5:12 pm

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You have helped me to decide to leave CC for good. Before this I felt strongly that there was mostly good in man. Your comments have shown me that you don't agree. For this point the CSIL cannot work.



Yay he's gone :lol:


What a looser, lol.


Hey, aren't u the one who tried to get negative pts.?
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Thu May 10, 2007 5:55 pm

GFY to the max! Send this bitch to flame wars!
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Postby simtom on Thu May 10, 2007 9:46 pm

Hey, aren't u the one who tried to get negative pts.?



lol really didn't take a lot of effort, just searched for standard games joined them all and came back a month later.

Oh I can't reach negative like that? so i did a few 2v2s too..
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Postby freezie on Thu May 10, 2007 9:50 pm

simtom wrote:
Hey, aren't u the one who tried to get negative pts.?



lol really didn't take a lot of effort, just searched for standard games joined them all and came back a month later.

Oh I can't reach negative like that? so i did a few 2v2s too..
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This is why you're on this list. Deadbeated on PURPOSE.
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Postby tahitiwahini on Thu May 10, 2007 9:55 pm

simtom wrote:
Hey, aren't u the one who tried to get negative pts.?



lol really didn't take a lot of effort, just searched for standard games joined them all and came back a month later.

Oh I can't reach negative like that? so i did a few 2v2s too..


How cute: "joined them all and came back a month later." Delayed every one of those games by 3 days, leaving neutral armies all over the place effectively having a huge negative impact on all those games, but hey, it was nothing, "lol really didn't take a lot of effort." What a piece of work you are simtom.

If Grazing Cattle made just one additional player aware of you simtom then I reckon his efforts were not in vain.
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Postby simtom on Thu May 10, 2007 10:02 pm

How cute: "joined them all and came back a month later." Delayed every one of those games by 3 days, leaving neutral armies all over the place effectively having a huge negative impact on all those games, but hey, it was nothing, "lol really didn't take a lot of effort." What a piece of work you are simtom.



haha :lol:




Oh!! You must be mistaking me for somebody who cares!!



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This is why you're on this list. Deadbeated on PURPOSE.




I don't care i'm on the list =p It just means I get to play generally easier players!
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Postby tahitiwahini on Thu May 10, 2007 10:28 pm

Simtom, you may find reading this interesting.
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Postby Passispass on Thu May 10, 2007 10:31 pm

Holy $h!t that's like my life :shock:
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Postby Nameless One on Fri May 11, 2007 1:42 am

simtom wrote:
Hey, aren't u the one who tried to get negative pts.?



lol really didn't take a lot of effort, just searched for standard games joined them all and came back a month later.

Oh I can't reach negative like that? so i did a few 2v2s too..


No, that's not what I meant, it would be quick and easy for someone with a primium account to do what u did, but anyone stupid enough to get one and waste it and everyone's time trying to get negative pts. really is a loser.
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Postby Iliad on Fri May 11, 2007 2:14 am

Siomtom you do realise soon you will only be able to play with noobs who don't know who you are? You are on so many ignore lists right now.


And the bad thing you haven't even apologized or anything for what you did. You seriously should feel ashamed.
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