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DoomYoshi wrote:How about Tunisia? More Muslim extremists making the world a more miserable place.
BigBallinStalin wrote:No one wants to talk about Egypt?
muy_thaiguy wrote:Morsi and Muslim Brotherhood-Religious Fundamentalists that are hardline, stomped on Democracy of the new Egyptian government, allowed crime to soar, and made the vast majority of Egyptians lives hell.
Ray Rider wrote:Maybe I'm missing something here, but although I oppose Morsi and his government, that was the democratically elected government chosen by a majority of Egyptians, is it not? What's going to be different this time around compared to the last coup & election? Do you think the opinions and voting of the populace will have changed enough to actually bring a moderate party to majority government in the country? I have deep reservations and am quite skeptical that the Egyptian people are ready for a liberal democratic government; there must first be a change of culture and mindset throughout the people of region.
All the same, I wish them the best and hope they do choose better this time around. In the mean time, I believe all Western governments should stop messing around with their politics (that includes government-funds in the form of foreign aid).
patches70 wrote:Ray Rider wrote:Maybe I'm missing something here, but although I oppose Morsi and his government, that was the democratically elected government chosen by a majority of Egyptians, is it not? What's going to be different this time around compared to the last coup & election? Do you think the opinions and voting of the populace will have changed enough to actually bring a moderate party to majority government in the country? I have deep reservations and am quite skeptical that the Egyptian people are ready for a liberal democratic government; there must first be a change of culture and mindset throughout the people of region.
All the same, I wish them the best and hope they do choose better this time around. In the mean time, I believe all Western governments should stop messing around with their politics (that includes government-funds in the form of foreign aid).
Whoa now, you gotta remember a few things about Morsi and why the Egyptian military is showing him no morsi (heh heh).
Yeah, he was elected in June 2012 with just over 50% of the vote. He was the head of the FJP (founded by the Muslim Brotherhood) and he resigned that post upon being elected, as promised. So he appears a "moderate". At first.
Then in November 2012, Morsi gave himself unlimited powers to "protect the people", he gave himself the power to legislate with out judicial review or oversight. He made himself a dictator. He pretty much just shit all over the Egyptian constitution
BigBallinStalin wrote:It's not about democracy or constitutions because we know the military doesn't really give a shit about either--so long as it retains much of its power and spending. The military will keep pushing until they get some government which goes easy on them and their military-owned enterprises.
patches70 wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:It's not about democracy or constitutions because we know the military doesn't really give a shit about either--so long as it retains much of its power and spending. The military will keep pushing until they get some government which goes easy on them and their military-owned enterprises.
But the Egyptian military was independent anyway under the Morsi. They made sure of that from the get go.
Now we in the US may be leery of military coups, rightfully so, but in Egypt some good has come from it. Sure, the military has all the real power, but they've also instituted reforms. During the Egyptian monarchy the people were treated pretty badly. Low rates of literacy, poverty and injustice. Not to mention the military blamed the monarchy for the poor showing in the wars against Israel.
Any government that comes, including Morsi's, has been and will be easy on the military. The Egyptian military not only controls all the tanks and troops, but they hold the keys to all industry and markets in Egypt. Not to mention their close ties to the US, virtually all Egyptian officers are trained in and by the US military. Part of the $1.3 billion in military aid given to Egypt every year by the US.
No, the Egyptian military has nothing to fear from Egyptian government or judges. They fear the people's wrath. As decent as the Egyptian military is, they don't want to fight in a civil war, nor do they wish to see Egypt go down that path and so is quite willing to step in when they feel the need to keep Egypt as stable as possible.
Hell, the military liked Mubarik just fine, but they threw him under the bus, didn't they? Why? It wasn't so that asshats like the Muslim Brotherhood could take over, I can tell ya that!
Hahah.
Morsi is a MB stooge, and despite some shallow appearances, Morsi is also an extremist. The Egyptian military doesn't like that. Obviously.
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