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ViperOverLord wrote:Lindax wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:iAmCaffeine wrote:Allowing ordinary members to vote CDs just leaves room for clan bias.
There's 'bias' in any option. And I'd have clan leaders vote in the CDF. A voting system creates an accountability that is not existent now.
Ok Viper. Not trying to be an ass. Please explain how that creates accountability (and to whom) and why that is important (and to whom).
Lx
Are you unfamiliar with the concept that elections create an inherent accountability? And accountability is hugely important for many reasons. A process that fully respects and embraces all clans equally will help to save hours of conflicts in the future. Perhaps, you are unfamiliar with some of the more recent issues; but many people were left with a sense that there is an us and them reality in the clan world.
ViperOverLord wrote:Maybe, many of us are hesitant to discuss it, but a rogue CD(s) can do a lot of damage. And we need a process in which we as clans can collectively choose the most desirable CDs. And I say that with all due respect to those who are serving as CDs now.
greenoaks wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:greenoaks wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:greenoaks wrote:what if they are not suitable?
if they need to agree to the nomination what is stopping them from applying with the current method?
What if a CD is not suitable under the current method of selection? The selection process will never stamp out that concern. However, if you have regular elections, clans will tend to find optimal CD's imo.
i only asked because the proposal was 1 IS selected of the 3 highest voted, whereas none of them might suitable due to many reasons such as existing conflicts with other CDs or management.
Ah. Well if management is admin, then I think they shall have the final say on CDs no matter what the process.
As for current CDs not thinking he/she can work with an elected CD__ Well let me first say that that would hopefully not be a common issue. Regardless, if a CD does not feel like he can work with a certain elected person than he/she should resign. I think it's as simple as that.
so voting for someone who has a problem with the current CD's would allow you to overthrow the regime. i really can't see admin putting in place a system that would allow that.
ViperOverLord wrote:instead of an elite group of people
Lindax wrote:An elected CD can still do a lot of damage. And whomever gets elected will only be the choice of a majority, which means there will still be plenty of clan members and leaders who don't agree with the choice.
Lindax wrote:Besides, why would you want the most desirable person? Shouldn't it be the most capable person? Elections will likely result in the most likable person being chosen, not the most capable.
Lindax wrote:People don't volunteer for a CD position because they like to see their name in blue (or whatever that horrible color is). They do it because they think they can make the clan world a better place.
Lindax wrote:And even the best CD will never make everybody happy, unless we go back to your perfect world.
Lindax wrote:Take us, for example. You may be a perfect clan leader (who knows), nevertheless I disagree with practically everything you post. Luckily we both have the option of expressing our opinions.
Leehar wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:instead of an elite group of people
I think it was asked earlier, but what exactly defines us as elite Viper?
Lindax wrote:
Take us, for example. You may be a perfect clan leader (who knows), nevertheless I disagree with practically everything you post. Luckily we both have the option of expressing our opinions.
Lx
VioIet wrote:My half/half proposal can also work the opposite way.
Members apply for the position and the current CD teams picks three candidates that they think are most worthy. And then of the three, the clan members vote and elect someone.
iAmCaffeine wrote:Couldn't be bothered to read the last two pages.
The process has already started so changing things now would be foolish. Wait until next time to have a rant.
ViperOverLord wrote:Leehar wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:instead of an elite group of people
I think it was asked earlier, but what exactly defines us as elite Viper?
Instead of digging in the dirt, which is what you presumably want to do with this question; how about you actually give your position on elections?
BoganGod wrote:I note that some of those most critical of CD's and most rabidly in favour of voting for CD appointments have, or have had a wish to be treated differently than everyone else.
ViperOverLord wrote:BoganGod wrote:I note that some of those most critical of CD's and most rabidly in favour of voting for CD appointments have, or have had a wish to be treated differently than everyone else.
This is a nonsense insinuation. I want elected CD's so that the collective will of the clan world is especially respected. You have absolutely no proof to back-up your assertion that I or anyone else wants special treatment through elections. In fact, the concept is ludicrous on its face.
HardAttack wrote:Is application period over ?
Am i any late to apply ?
VioIet wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:chemefreak wrote:
Which ones are elitist? The reluctant Head Clan Director Leehar? Nicky that works her ass off for clans? Or me, who has devoted hundreds (if not thousands) of hours to clans over the past 2.5 years? Pray tell...who do you speak of?
My statement speaks for itself. I see no point to finger pointing at individuals though. And, I can't help but notice that you skipped over the concept of elections.
I agree with Viper here. I am not at all confident that the current clan mods/directors can make a good decision. They lack common sense. Time spent has nothing to do with it. I think that the general public (those who are currently members of a clan) should be allowed to vote for who they would like to see in a leadership position.
BoganGod wrote:HardAttack wrote:Is application period over ?
Am i any late to apply ?
you would get my vote over viper...... If I was forced to vote to make the election fair and equitable.
ViperOverLord wrote:BG: Putting aside your ad hominem nonsense; I'll de-personalize it. Nobody that wants a voting system wants "special treatment." In no way, whatsoever does that even begin to make sense.
Also, the fact that CC is a commercial website has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not the election of CDs is an applicable system. It's an utterly fallacious point to say otherwise. Nor is it a valid argument to walk us through all the hard work the CDs currently do. A voting system does not diminish anyone's efforts. In fact, if a CD feels his/her job is 'thankless' and gets voted out, then he/she can get that confirmation (so to speak) and decide upon using his/her time for better purposes. The intent of a voting system is to find the CDs that the community thinks will best serve the clanning system during any given period. Nobody should frankly have a problem with that. If you think the CDs are so great and wonderful, then you'll vote for them and they'll have an official validation of the community.
greenoaks wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:why is CC not allowed to decide who they let volunteer, it is not our site?
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