Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

[jonesthecurl]

yup, looks like we've arrived at "ha ha I'm saved and you're not" yet again.

[2dimes]

Just buy some of that jewelry that will make you scream with happiness.

[universalchiro]

But what we do know is that all races came from the Tower of Babel after the flood of Genesis 7. the Grandson of Noah, Nimrod, built a Tower to reach Heaven. So God confused their languages and scattered them around the earth. From this event, came the different races and languages.

So let me get this right ... speaking a different language makes you a different race?

no, I never said that.
Genesis 11:1 "Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.” 5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” 8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth."

The people were scattered around the earth. So says the Bible. Now with some discernment, we can hypothesize that through changes in diet, sun exposure, climate change, even gravitational difference on certain places of the globe, the people altered there skin color and secondary growth characteristics. This over time (4,500 years from flood to today) caused different appearing humans. Though all humans can trace their ancestry to Adam and Eve and the Bottleneck of the population after the flood with Noah, there appears to be differences externally. But we are all the same kind, made in the image of God. Equal.

This is not an evolutionary principle, but merely an adaptation or specialization concept.

With this hypothesis, one would expect to see:
the same internal organs, and this is true.
The same DNA, and this is true.
With similar external and internal features, and this is true.
With similar moral codes, and this is true.
With similar cognition, and this is true.
With ability to procreate with any ethnicity of human, and this is true.
With the advent of the expansion of humans to unite the globe, and different cultures and ethnicities commingling, one would expect to see the differences becoming less pronounced, and this is true.

With this hypothesis, one would expect for all the cultures to have a median mid-point from which they deviated as a result of being scattered abroad from the Tower of Babel, to be consistent with the Bible's narrative of the genealogy of Jesus' ancestry, for Jesus was declared to be a descendant of Adam and Abraham and King David. And this is what we find. The median mid-point of all ethnicities is the Israeli colored skin. And this is true. This is analogous to all dogs can be traced to have their ancestor, the wolf. Same principle here.

[2dimes]

You seem to be skipping about though.

You've got a brown dude on the ark. He's equal to the Caucasians. He's there because God wants to spare him. I can't help but think he's not evil. Yet he's a relative of Satin carrying the blood line needed to spawn the guy who's going to bring about Armageddon.

Also the reason God promised to mark Cain and his offspring was so they would not get hunted down by the other people. You figure that's going to be an unknown mark. How would that work?

Next you're telling us the tower of Bable might be the source of three distinct races, why?

Finally I need to re-read Revelation because I thought the angels had to go put that forehead mark on God's people after a certain point. You seem to suggest it just kind of happens if you're a Christian or something.

[mrswdk]

Why would a benevolent God deliberately scatter and divide people by giving them different languages? Would he not want all people to share one language, and thus be able to live in understanding and harmony more easily?

[chang50]

Why would a benevolent God deliberately scatter and divide people by giving them different languages? Would he not want all people to share one language, and thus be able to live in understanding and harmony more easily?

So many questions similiar to this pointing out the absurdity of the theistic hypothesis..why did God create us with freewill only to slaughter nearly everyone in the Flood for exercising it?

[Gillipig]

Why would a benevolent God deliberately scatter and divide people by giving them different languages? Would he not want all people to share one language, and thus be able to live in understanding and harmony more easily?

So many questions similiar to this pointing out the absurdity of the theistic hypothesis..why did God create us with freewill only to slaughter nearly everyone in the Flood for exercising it?

There was no flood and he didn't equip us with free will. Free will is an illusion.

[hahaha3hahaha]

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[Lootifer]

the neurons in my brain that predetermine what number i will choose.

[chang50]

Free will is an illusion.

If I told you to pick a number between 1 and 10 what is constraining you from doing so?

You missed the lengthy debate on freewill..july 2013,go back and have a read before jumping into an argument you probably are not up to speed on..it's way more complex than most people imagine..

[chang50]

Why would a benevolent God deliberately scatter and divide people by giving them different languages? Would he not want all people to share one language, and thus be able to live in understanding and harmony more easily?

So many questions similiar to this pointing out the absurdity of the theistic hypothesis..why did God create us with freewill only to slaughter nearly everyone in the Flood for exercising it?

There was no flood and he didn't equip us with free will. Free will is an illusion.

it isn't as if i'm not a known sceptic about the existence of both...

[hahaha3hahaha]

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[mrswdk]

That's a reality for you, regardless of whether or not it was repeatedly disproven to be a reality mere months ago on this same forum?

Kudos to you for remaining admirably consistent in your logic, whatever rocks the naysayers throw at you.

[Frigidus]

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As far as the topic of this thread, a fool doesn't know he is a fool. But continues on his merry way blindly walking in the dark. So how can a non-believer, void of the Love, Joy and light of God dwelling in their soul possibly know that they lack purpose and therefore, lack a real joy, Love and light of life. A non-believer in God will argue that they are Joyful and not sad, and they may appear to be so on the outside, but this is a spiritual condition and can only be healed from the workings of God to remove the blinders of self love and pride.

So any arguing with a non-believer is chasing after the wind. Best to just share the gospel with them and pray for them. My pray is that those non-believers in this thread, be wholly changed of the heart and begin a life of purpose, Knowing that God loves them so much, that He sent His only Son to pay in full, for all their sins. Confess their sins and believe that Jesus is the Christ the Messiah that died, buried and rose from the grave 3 days later and you will receive eternal life. and receive a purpose for living.

Funny, that''s sort of how I feel about young Earth creationists. Minus the religious connotations, naturally. I can't realistically expect anyone to overcome years of indoctrination after a couple of online conversations. I can only pity them for being so excessively credulous and move on with my life.

[BigBallinStalin]

the neurons in my brain that predetermine what number i will choose.

Are those your neurons or someone else's?

[2dimes]

Huh. So did that spiel give you an answer to the OP Chang?

Well, by 'Noah' they meant 'lotsa Noahs' and by 'Ark' they meant 'lotsa Arks'.

... possible ... flood ... isolated thing that only wiped out the people around Noah whilst the caaninites or at least some portion of them were relaxing in Africa on high ground or something..

Nothing? But I put the Canaanites chronologically on the wrong side of the flood. They was from Noah's grand child Canaan who was borned after they got out of the boat.

[Gillipig]

the neurons in my brain that predetermine what number i will choose.

Are those your neurons or someone else's?

Do you have concious control of your digestive system, and does the fact that you don't make it someone elses digestive system? It's your digestive system but you do not have control of it. The neurons in your brain are yours but you do not control what they do. Your body does all sorts of things that your concious can't take credit for, instead of arguing that point what you need to do is explain how the chain of causation all of a sudden stops in your head.

And yes 3haha, we've talked about this before and if you haven't read any books on the subject chances are you will be out of your depth.

[jonesthecurl]

But what we do know is that all races came from the Tower of Babel after the flood of Genesis 7. the Grandson of Noah, Nimrod, built a Tower to reach Heaven. So God confused their languages and scattered them around the earth. From this event, came the different races and languages.

So let me get this right ... speaking a different language makes you a different race?

no, I never said that.
Genesis 11:1 "Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.” 5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” 8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth."

The people were scattered around the earth. So says the Bible. Now with some discernment, we can hypothesize that through changes in diet, sun exposure, climate change, even gravitational difference on certain places of the globe, the people altered there skin color and secondary growth characteristics. This over time (4,500 years from flood to today) caused different appearing humans. Though all humans can trace their ancestry to Adam and Eve and the Bottleneck of the population after the flood with Noah, there appears to be differences externally. But we are all the same kind, made in the image of God. Equal.

This is not an evolutionary principle, but merely an adaptation or specialization concept.

So where are your "transition" skeletons over the last 4.500 years of (for example) midway between jew and australian aborigine?

[BigBallinStalin]

the neurons in my brain that predetermine what number i will choose.

Are those your neurons or someone else's?

Do you have concious control of your digestive system, and does the fact that you don't make it someone elses digestive system? It's your digestive system but you do not have control of it. The neurons in your brain are yours but you do not control what they do. Your body does all sorts of things that your concious can't take credit for, instead of arguing that point what you need to do is explain how the chain of causation all of a sudden stops in your head.

And yes 3haha, we've talked about this before and if you haven't read any books on the subject chances are you will be out of your depth.

Please define 'you' in the free will thread please.

[Gillipig]

the neurons in my brain that predetermine what number i will choose.

Are those your neurons or someone else's?

Do you have concious control of your digestive system, and does the fact that you don't make it someone elses digestive system? It's your digestive system but you do not have control of it. The neurons in your brain are yours but you do not control what they do. Your body does all sorts of things that your concious can't take credit for, instead of arguing that point what you need to do is explain how the chain of causation all of a sudden stops in your head.

And yes 3haha, we've talked about this before and if you haven't read any books on the subject chances are you will be out of your depth.

Please define 'you' in the free will thread please.

"You" is obviously your concious mind, not everything that goes on inside your body. Your body is making red blood cells regardless of what you consciously decide to do. You can't take credit for that as you do not control it.
Now that I have answered your question perhaps you'd like to answer mine. How does the chain of causality stop?
Free will specifically requires the mind to be capable of stepping out of the chain of causality and perform a none random action. A choice. It's "free" because it's not bound by the chains of causality, and it's called "will" because it's concious and not random. With other words, A decision is to form in your head, that no prior event either in your body or outside it triggered, it is also not to be the result of pure chance, but to be deliberate and under your control. How does this magical thing happen? And why should anyone with a rational mind assume that it does?

[universalchiro]

But what we do know is that all races came from the Tower of Babel after the flood of Genesis 7. the Grandson of Noah, Nimrod, built a Tower to reach Heaven. So God confused their languages and scattered them around the earth. From this event, came the different races and languages.

So let me get this right ... speaking a different language makes you a different race?

no, I never said that.
Genesis 11:1 "Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.” 5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” 8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth."

The people were scattered around the earth. So says the Bible. Now with some discernment, we can hypothesize that through changes in diet, sun exposure, climate change, even gravitational difference on certain places of the globe, the people altered there skin color and secondary growth characteristics. This over time (4,500 years from flood to today) caused different appearing humans. Though all humans can trace their ancestry to Adam and Eve and the Bottleneck of the population after the flood with Noah, there appears to be differences externally. But we are all the same kind, made in the image of God. Equal.

This is not an evolutionary principle, but merely an adaptation or specialization concept.

So where are your "transition" skeletons over the last 4.500 years of (for example) midway between jew and australian aborigine?

The differences of skeletal structures between the first Adam and Australian Aborigine:
Both would have identical elements that make up the composite of the skeletal structure.
Both would have identical number of bones.
Both would have identical style of bone.
Both would have identical marrow to produce RBC and WBC.
If the muscles, tendons, ligaments and fascia were removed from corpses of the two, there would be no visible external differences from looking at the periosteum of them.
The only difference between the two would lie in the quality of the bone. In the cortex and trabeculae of the skeletal system. The first Adam would have less cortex and less trabeculae inside the bone. And subsequently the current man has increased cortex and trabeculae.
How do we know this? This is by deduction. Bone is alive and will respond to axial loads by increasing density. For example: a heavy set person, their skeletal system will increase in density to handle the increased load. And conversely, an astronaut in space for prolong periods of time will lose 14% bone density. How does this relate to Adam and current man?

Before the global flood of Genesis 7, there was a Canopy of water surrounding the atmosphere. This is discerned by the 2nd day of creation. This canopy of water would create ambient global temperatures. This is discerned from Adam and Eve being naked. This canopy of water would prevent deserts and prevent polar ice caps, this is discerned by no global wind until Genesis 8 after the flood. For the vast changes in temperature causes our global wind. This canopy of water was the source of the global flood of Genesis 7. But Genesis 7:11 reveals that water burst out of the deep caverns of the earth for the same duration. Therefore, the flood water would have massive amounts of soil, hence when the flood waters settled, this is the cause of uniform layers on the crust of the earth.

This canopy of water surrounding the atmosphere would cause increased atmospheric pressure on occupants of earth. Which would cause a buoyancy effect and reduce the affects of gravity. The reduced effect of gravity would cause bone structures to be more porous then today's density. This is why dinosaurs have porous bones and the reduced gravity is why dinosaurs were able to grow to tall. This canopy of water was also the source of the vast oceans. The rains of 40 days and 40 nights would send the planet into a deep freeze, hence the glacial age. Before the flood, the oceans were vastly smaller and called seas. there was abundant amounts of vegetation with no deserts to prevent their growth, no oceans to prevent their growth, and no polar ice caps to prevent their growth. This abundant vegetation produced abundant amounts of oxygen. Hyperoxia atmosphere causes accelerated growth. Life thrives in hyperoxia. Hence after the flood, mankind's ages plummeted from 900+ to 200 years in 6 generation. And why reptiles don't live as long and therefore can't grow as tall, plus gravity is now stronger than prior to the flood. For before the flood, the canopy of water created a buoyancy effect, like being in shallow water, but now that water in on the surface and gravity is no longer reduced.

Summary: The bones would be the same in quantity, style, location, design. But slightly less dense with Adam than modern man. Why? Because gravity is no longer reduced with the loss of the canopy of Water.

[jonesthecurl]

So, leaving your psuedo-scientific claptrap to one side, are you suggesting that there is no difference between the skeleton of say a pygmy and an autralian aborigine? are you suggesting that there are no differences between any of the skeletal structure, including say skull, between any varieties of humans?

[BigBallinStalin]

the neurons in my brain that predetermine what number i will choose.

Are those your neurons or someone else's?

Do you have concious control of your digestive system, and does the fact that you don't make it someone elses digestive system? It's your digestive system but you do not have control of it. The neurons in your brain are yours but you do not control what they do. Your body does all sorts of things that your concious can't take credit for, instead of arguing that point what you need to do is explain how the chain of causation all of a sudden stops in your head.

And yes 3haha, we've talked about this before and if you haven't read any books on the subject chances are you will be out of your depth.

Please define 'you' in the free will thread please.

"You" is obviously your concious mind, not everything that goes on inside your body. Your body is making red blood cells regardless of what you consciously decide to do. You can't take credit for that as you do not control it.
Now that I have answered your question perhaps you'd like to answer mine. How does the chain of causality stop?
Free will specifically requires the mind to be capable of stepping out of the chain of causality and perform a none random action. A choice. It's "free" because it's not bound by the chains of causality, and it's called "will" because it's concious and not random. With other words, A decision is to form in your head, that no prior event either in your body or outside it triggered, it is also not to be the result of pure chance, but to be deliberate and under your control. How does this magical thing happen? And why should anyone with a rational mind assume that it does?

Would you mind posting this in the relevant thread? there's no need to drive this thread further off-topic.

[_sabotage_]

Many older skulls are found with a common anomaly to modern skulls: they have a thickened brow.

Note: the brow continues to grow with age in modern humans.

Genesis 5:23
Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years.

Now that I have irrefutably proven the existence of God, I hope that his light may shine through you as a beacon to our generation.

[Lootifer]

the neurons in my brain that predetermine what number i will choose.

Are those your neurons or someone else's?

Do you have concious control of your digestive system, and does the fact that you don't make it someone elses digestive system? It's your digestive system but you do not have control of it. The neurons in your brain are yours but you do not control what they do. Your body does all sorts of things that your concious can't take credit for, instead of arguing that point what you need to do is explain how the chain of causation all of a sudden stops in your head.

And yes 3haha, we've talked about this before and if you haven't read any books on the subject chances are you will be out of your depth.

Please define 'you' in the free will thread please.

"You" is obviously your concious mind, not everything that goes on inside your body. Your body is making red blood cells regardless of what you consciously decide to do. You can't take credit for that as you do not control it.
Now that I have answered your question perhaps you'd like to answer mine. How does the chain of causality stop?
Free will specifically requires the mind to be capable of stepping out of the chain of causality and perform a none random action. A choice. It's "free" because it's not bound by the chains of causality, and it's called "will" because it's concious and not random. With other words, A decision is to form in your head, that no prior event either in your body or outside it triggered, it is also not to be the result of pure chance, but to be deliberate and under your control. How does this magical thing happen? And why should anyone with a rational mind assume that it does?

Would you mind posting this in the relevant thread? there's no need to drive this thread further off-topic.

GOD DAMMIT MAN THATS MY JOB NOW!