ObamaCare - exchanges ,report your states options!

[saxitoxin]

if all of this is true, i suddenly feel unmotivated to contribute much to society anymore. what about bums? do they just get to sit down on the river bank unaffected by all this?

The homeless are required to purchase $3,067/year in insurance policies from one of Obama's campaign donors. If they can't afford that, they will be fined 2.5% of their income or $695, whichever is more, every year until they either (a) die from lack of healthcare, or, (b) begin buying stuff from one of Obama's campaign donors.

[Metsfanmax]

I don't think that's a valid criticism of the law specifically. Anytime you have a major overhaul of federal legislation, there's going to be some consequences that are just impossible to predict until the law is actually rolled out, simply because of the sheer complexity and scope of the national healthcare system.

Precisely why the federal government shouldn't be running such programs. The more in depth programs are to be run on the local levels were people are directly involved in their happenings.

That's not a proportionate response to the problem. A more narrow statement might be that the federal government should be cautious of engaging in large and complex actions -- the simpler the better. That is part of why I think the single-payer system makes more sense.

[WILLIAMS5232]

if all of this is true, i suddenly feel unmotivated to contribute much to society anymore. what about bums? do they just get to sit down on the river bank unaffected by all this?

The homeless are required to purchase $3,067/year in insurance policies from one of Obama's campaign donors. If they can't afford that, they will be fined 2.5% of their income or $695, whichever is more, every year until they either (a) die from lack of healthcare, or, (b) begin buying stuff from one of Obama's campaign donors.

so the old dream of self-sufficient living is gone. now money is a necessity? i mean no more living like a colonial? what about the amish? are they exempted from this? or are they going to need to start selling more jam and chairs to pay for their healthcare?

one thing i wanted to do in my life was go to alaska build a cabin on some tax free land and live there for a full cycle of the seasons. ( if i survive of course ) so i guess now i can't do that?

what if i want to hire someone when i open a small buisness? can i now just not have to worry about them and let them worry about their own insurance? as long as i don't hire more than 50 people?

sorry for all the questions and thanks for answering what you already did. but all these regulations and red tape just has me frustrated as hell.

[saxitoxin]

what about the amish?

Amish, Mennonites and Native-Americans are exempt from Obamacare.

[_sabotage_]

Christian Scientists?

[saxitoxin]

Christian Scientists?

I thought so, it's actually members of Samaritan-Ministries - http://samaritanministries.org/healthreform.

I don't think Christian-Scientists are exempt. I might be wrong.

[john9blue]

what about john9blueism? can i fill out some forms or something and be exempt?

[Night Strike]

I don't think that's a valid criticism of the law specifically. Anytime you have a major overhaul of federal legislation, there's going to be some consequences that are just impossible to predict until the law is actually rolled out, simply because of the sheer complexity and scope of the national healthcare system.

Precisely why the federal government shouldn't be running such programs. The more in depth programs are to be run on the local levels were people are directly involved in their happenings.

That's not a proportionate response to the problem. A more narrow statement might be that the federal government should be cautious of engaging in large and complex actions -- the simpler the better. That is part of why I think the single-payer system makes more sense.

So because the federal government can't even organize a payment system for health insurance, they should be able to make ALL the decisions regarding health care? If they can't be trusted with the smaller system, how can they be trusted with the much larger and more intimate details of single-payer?

[Metsfanmax]

I don't think that's a valid criticism of the law specifically. Anytime you have a major overhaul of federal legislation, there's going to be some consequences that are just impossible to predict until the law is actually rolled out, simply because of the sheer complexity and scope of the national healthcare system.

Precisely why the federal government shouldn't be running such programs. The more in depth programs are to be run on the local levels were people are directly involved in their happenings.

That's not a proportionate response to the problem. A more narrow statement might be that the federal government should be cautious of engaging in large and complex actions -- the simpler the better. That is part of why I think the single-payer system makes more sense.

So because the federal government can't even organize a payment system for health insurance, they should be able to make ALL the decisions regarding health care? If they can't be trusted with the smaller system, how can they be trusted with the much larger and more intimate details of single-payer?

1) Single-payer system doesn't mean the government makes all decisions regarding health care.

2) The ACA is actually a more complex system than a single-payer system would have been. This is because the ACA does in principle a similar thing to a single-payer system -- but it has to organize a cacophony of private insurers in many different states. The ACA is a giant mess of the law, precisely because of all the regulations it imposes in an attempt to make a complicated public-private relationship operate. The government was much more likely to have a difficult time cleanly implementing what became the ACA than it would have been a single-payer system. If you doubt this, look at the success of Medicare -- the model has already been demonstrated to work for millions of people. (Not that Medicare is a paragon of legal simplicity either, but I think the general argument is sound.)

[Phatscotty]

Obama is gonna have to delay Obamacare tomorrow. Good to know he almost brought us to the brink preventing a delay just to save face.

Now watch all the people who called Republicans evil and terrorists for wanting a delay defend the exact same delay simply because their guy is delaying it. How can people like this NOT be thee problem?

[saxitoxin]

It's Official - Obamacare is a Failure

Only 476,000 people have signed-up for the opportunity to purchase Obamacare and the regime is refusing to say how many of those have actually purchased. The goal for purchase was 7,000,000 by March 1 with anticipation being the largest number would sign-up in the first two months with a tapering level thereafter. If half of those who signed-up have purchased (optimistic) that means you're looking at around 300,000 purchases by the end of month one ... with 6.7 million more needed in 5 months to meet the minimum goal.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/he ... ions-filed

As they're dragging away and dismantling the burned pylons of Obamacare a couple years from now everyone should remember that it will be another 25 years before another attempt at healthcare reform can realistically be attempted. The failure of Obamacare will have poisoned the well. Millions of Americans still without healthcare, all because of Obama's greed.

[Phatscotty]

It's Official - Obamacare is a Failure

Only 476,000 people have signed-up for the opportunity to purchase Obamacare and the regime is refusing to say how many of those have actually purchased. The goal for purchase was 7,000,000 by March 1 with anticipation being the largest number would sign-up in the first two months with a tapering level thereafter. If half of those who signed-up have purchased (optimistic) that means you're looking at around 300,000 purchases by the end of month one ... with 6.7 million more needed in 5 months to meet the minimum goal.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/he ... ions-filed

As they're dragging away and dismantling the burned pylons of Obamacare a couple years from now everyone should remember that it will be another 25 years before another attempt at healthcare reform can realistically be attempted. The failure of Obamacare will have poisoned the well. Millions of Americans still without healthcare, all because of Obama's greed.

Looks like only single-payer will fix this

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!!

[saxitoxin]

Obama is the Bourbon of the 21st century.

"Let them eat cake" is the traditional translation of the French phrase "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche", supposedly spoken by "a great princess" upon learning that the peasants had no bread. Since brioche was made from dough enriched with butter and eggs, and those ingredients were even more scarce and more costly than dough, making brioche even more out of the reach of the peasants than bread, the quote supposedly would reflect the princess's obliviousness as to the condition of the people.

[Nobunaga]

Going back 4 years and reading the first pages of posts in this thread is pretty entertaining.

[jj3044]

Man, with all of the issues in the federal exchange webpage, I'm glad my state (RI) decided to actually support the law and run their own... imagine what would have happened if all of the states decided to run their own exchanges instead of forcing the federal government to run a multi-state (many times more complicated to run) exchange... maybe we should vote those state politicians out of office for throwing their constituents out with the bath water...

[thegreekdog]

Going back 4 years and reading the first pages of posts in this thread is pretty entertaining.

It makes me sad. So many good posters gone... snorri, neo, gabon, sultan.

[Night Strike]

Man, with all of the issues in the federal exchange webpage, I'm glad my state (RI) decided to actually support the law and run their own... imagine what would have happened if all of the states decided to run their own exchanges instead of forcing the federal government to run a multi-state (many times more complicated to run) exchange... maybe we should vote those state politicians out of office for throwing their constituents out with the bath water...

The feds wanted this massive control over the health insurance system, so why should the states bail them out while also getting saddled with the costs?

[Phatscotty]

lulz

[saxitoxin]

300,000 Floridians Losing Healthcare

Citing costs associated with the federal Affordable Care Act, Jacksonville-based Florida Blue is canceling 300,000 individual policies. Florida Blue, the state’s largest health insurer, says the move is to offset the new health care law’s requirement that things like mental health and substance abuse services be covered by individual and small market plans.

http://staugustine.com/news/florida-new ... -obamacare

[Phatscotty]

Going back 4 years and reading the first pages of posts in this thread is pretty entertaining.

People today do not believe when the IRS was created, it was with the promise that income taxes would never go over 5%, and only the richest of the rich (the top 10%) would have to pay the tax. Likewise, people will need to be reminded that Obamacare was railroaded onto the American people with the promise of an average saving of $2,500 per year in premiums, and that Obamacare is definitely not a tax, and that Obamacare definitely is not just a stepping stone to single payer, or that anyone who opined Obamacare was a bad idea was simply racist, and that Obamacare will only cost 1.4 trillion, and that if you like your health insurance you will get to keep it, and that if you like your doctor you will be able to continue seeing them, and when history finally catches up to us and we can't deny our debt levels we will be able to look back and see just how crazy it was to create a new entitlement program amidst credit downgrades and an already crushing debt to the point where default fights are going to be the norm and we have to borrow money just to make the interest payments on previous debts.



So yeah, I made sure to get the Obamacare supporters on paper a long time ago. I printed this out a few times, mainly for evidence to prove to the next generation that I tried to stop the spending and the Socialism, and am not responsible for robbing their opportunity and selling them down the river and guaranteeing 60-70-80% tax rates and burying them in debt and interest payments, and that not everybody believed the lies and to look back and see how the debate went.

This thread is my waiver when they come to hang anyone over 50 from the nearest lamp post

[jj3044]

300,000 Floridians Losing Healthcare

Citing costs associated with the federal Affordable Care Act, Jacksonville-based Florida Blue is canceling 300,000 individual policies. Florida Blue, the state’s largest health insurer, says the move is to offset the new health care law’s requirement that things like mental health and substance abuse services be covered by individual and small market plans.

http://staugustine.com/news/florida-new ... -obamacare

Another words, those plans they have to cancel are because they don't meet the minimum standards under new guidelines. These individuals will be able to purchase another plan through the exchange, or directly through Florida Blue if they so choose.

And before I hear "but Obama promised we could keep our plans"... that has nothing to do with the law itself. The purpose of the law is to give almost all Americans the opportunity to purchase high quality insurance that they can afford. Plans with annual or lifetime limits are not high-quality insurance plans, and did more harm than good.

fastposted!

[saxitoxin]

Obama's Bosses at Giant Insurance Companies Mad Prez Not Delivering the New Customers He Promised; Meeting About Whether they Need to Replace Obama

The White House is meeting with CEOs of health plans on Wednesday, according to two insurance industry sources. Insurers have a lot riding on the success of Obamacare enrollment — which is being stymied by pervasive technical problems with the federal website, HealthCare.gov. One insurance industry source did say Tuesday that although the volume of enrollees remains low, the files coming over from HHS are now accurate. Some health plans have reported getting incorrect, garbled and duplicative files.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/w ... z2ibQEmcUl

[saxitoxin]

300,000 Floridians Losing Healthcare

Citing costs associated with the federal Affordable Care Act, Jacksonville-based Florida Blue is canceling 300,000 individual policies. Florida Blue, the state’s largest health insurer, says the move is to offset the new health care law’s requirement that things like mental health and substance abuse services be covered by individual and small market plans.

http://staugustine.com/news/florida-new ... -obamacare

Another words, those plans they have to cancel are because they don't meet the minimum standards under new guidelines. These individuals will be able to purchase another plan through the exchange, or directly through Florida Blue if they so choose.

Correct - a 60 year-old widowed grandmother who previously paid for a $190/month plan now gets to pay $350/month to buy insurance on the exchange so she can be covered in case she decides to have a baby or develops a meth addiction.

[Phatscotty]

300,000 Floridians Losing Healthcare

Citing costs associated with the federal Affordable Care Act, Jacksonville-based Florida Blue is canceling 300,000 individual policies. Florida Blue, the state’s largest health insurer, says the move is to offset the new health care law’s requirement that things like mental health and substance abuse services be covered by individual and small market plans.

http://staugustine.com/news/florida-new ... -obamacare

The number of people who have lost their insurance since Obamacare kicked in is already over a million.

On behalf of 1 million Americans, a special thanks to Obama voters, Gary Johnson voters, and people who stayed home because Romney is the exact same as Obama