iancanton wrote:i very much like the concept here of invasion routes thru the trenches only via the battlefields.
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iancanton wrote:i very much like the concept here of invasion routes thru the trenches only via the battlefields.
Oneyed wrote:iancanton wrote:i very much like the concept here of invasion routes thru the trenches only via the battlefields.
wait. with battlefield you mean current version with "only" opposite armies (without battlefields as regions) or this* old version with battlefields as regions?
iancanton wrote:the explanation of the conditional borders is not clear at all and u will need a different wording.
Oneyed wrote:thanks. yes the legend and wording is allways nightmare for me
Oneyed wrote:iancanton wrote:the map tries to cover too much territory, with the result that western and central europe, where the war was largely won and lost, looks tiny, while the ottoman empire has too many regions shown compared with its role in the war.
I know problem about Ottoman Empire. becasue the Ottoman Empire is easy to secure I add there more regions to gain this bonus harder. also this side of map is a little "closed" with a little maneuver possibilities. this needs to be solved...
Oneyed wrote:iancanton wrote:i recommend that u draw a line roughly from petrograd to alexandria and delete all regions that are east of this line.
but we "need" Caucasus because the connection between Russian Empire and Ottoman Empire here is the bigest problem...
Oneyed wrote:iancanton wrote:u're attempting to show the russian revolution too, which adds unnecessary complexity to the bonuses: the russian empire by itself is enough, while moscow, samara, the railway and the don cossacks participated in the russian revolution rather than the great war.
yes on one side you are right, but on the another side the revolution was part of these times and it adds realistic feature. maybe if we try more simple way how to add revolution there?
iancanton wrote:do u receive a +1 bonus for holding f2 and g3, but -2 if u have neither burgundy nor bavaria, making a total of -1?
iancanton wrote:can u give an example of how u want it to work?
iancanton wrote:we can solve the above situations by adding the russian black sea fleet and letting it one-way bombard constantinople.
iancanton wrote:the trouble is that the russian revolution removed russia from the war, so the two conflicts were only weakly linked.
iancanton wrote:there are inconsistencies caused by showing a railway only in russia but nowhere else and creating a russian empire bonus that is pointless because it can never be held except by holding the soviet bonus.
tkr4lf wrote:I don't really have any useful comments here, just wanted to drop in and say that the current version of the map looks amazing. Very nice artwork, Oneyed.
Oneyed wrote:iancanton wrote:do u receive a +1 bonus for holding f2 and g3, but -2 if u have neither burgundy nor bavaria, making a total of -1?
yes. my idea was that when you lost region in which is army located you can not supply army. but after your notice I see that this can not works this way...
so +2 for both opposite armies would be better?
Oneyed wrote:the conditional borders for one way moving troops from capital to town with the same flag is only as reinforce, not for attacks. therefore you must hold both (capital and town and also entire capitals state).
example: you hold Ottoman Empire (with Constantinople ofcourse) but you can not attack Alexandria from Constantinople. but when you take Alexandria from Egypt (and you still hold Ottoman Empire) you can reinforce troops from Constantinople to Alexandria.
Oneyed wrote:what about add to Black sea Russian ship which could bombards Angora, Constantinople and Ottoman ship. and add there also Ottoman ship which could bombard Ukraine, Russia and Russian ship.
to show later Ottoman weakness their ship could:
- lose any armies each round?
- or revets to neutral?
- or maybe can not bombard Russian ship?
Oneyed wrote:iancanton wrote:the trouble is that the russian revolution removed russia from the war, so the two conflicts were only weakly linked.
I can not agreed totaly here. the revolution was important event:
- Central powers moved all troops to western front
- Central powers gained all Ukraine, Batlic States, Belorusia
- Entete powers had new problem with support White Russians
so we could anyway shows revolution here.iancanton wrote:there are inconsistencies caused by showing a railway only in russia but nowhere else and creating a russian empire bonus that is pointless because it can never be held except by holding the soviet bonus.
to hold Russian Empire you do not need Samara and Moscow, so you can hold Russian Empire without Soviet Union.
Oneyed wrote:I strongly thought about more railways (Berlin-Wilhemshaven-Munich-Vienna-Budapest-Belgrade-Sofia). we could add any railways when central europe will be larger, I think.
Oneyed wrote:iancanton wrote:delete the sea route from marseille, so that france can attack italy only thru lombardy, which keeps more of the play in the middle of europe.
will be not Italy too closed? only Lombardy and Cyrenaica must be secured to hold Kingdom of Italy.
iancanton wrote:there are four types of land region: capital, town, province and army. capitals and towns have +1 autodeploy. if u hold the capital of a state, then u receive a home bonus of +2 for every 3 provinces and armies held in that state.
iancanton wrote:if u hold an entire state (capital, towns, provinces and armies), then u receive the state bonus.
iancanton wrote:u also receive an occupation bonus of +1 for every 2 provinces and armies held in the opposite alliance, but only if u do not hold the capital of that state.
iancanton wrote:to receive the maximum occupation bonus, u must hold an entire entente powers state plus an entire central powers state.
Oneyed wrote:iancanton wrote:there are four types of land region: capital, town, province and army. capitals and towns have +1 autodeploy. if u hold the capital of a state, then u receive a home bonus of +2 for every 3 provinces and armies held in that state.
the armies are not part of states. I will mention this in legend, so this could be clear then. yes?
Oneyed wrote:iancanton wrote:to receive the maximum occupation bonus, u must hold an entire entente powers state plus an entire central powers state.
no. my idea is that if you hold all Germany you will receive bonus for occupied regions in France.
when you take Paris you lost bonus for occupied regions of France. but you receive bonus for Paris and its regions.
the capitals are blockers.
Oneyed wrote:I thought that I could add names to bonuses. "capitals bonus" and "occupation bonus", in legend of occupation could be wrote: occupation bonus does not valid when capitals bonus is held. or something similar.
Oneyed wrote:iancanton wrote:there are four types of land region: capital, town, province and army. capitals and towns have +1 autodeploy. if u hold the capital of a state, then u receive a home bonus of +2 for every 3 provinces and armies held in that state.
the armies are not part of states. I will mention this in legend, so this could be clear then. yes?
Oneyed wrote:iancanton wrote:to receive the maximum occupation bonus, u must hold an entire entente powers state plus an entire central powers state.
no. my idea is that if you hold all Germany you will receive bonus for occupied regions in France.
when you take Paris you lost bonus for occupied regions of France. but you receive bonus for Paris and its regions.
the capitals are blockers.
Oneyed wrote:I thought that I could add names to bonuses. "capitals bonus" and "occupation bonus", in legend of occupation could be wrote: occupation bonus does not valid when capitals bonus is held. or something similar.
iancanton wrote:if u hold all germany, plus russia, moscow, 4 french non-capital regions and 4 ottoman non-capital regions, then u will receive +2 for germany, +6 for 9 german non-capital regions, and +3 for 6 entente regions, but nothing for 4 ottoman regions (total +11).
iancanton wrote:the next logical step is to conquer petrograd and aurora, to receive +2 for germany, +6 for 9 german non-capital regions, +2 for soviet russia, +2 for 4 french regions and +2 for 4 ottoman regions (total +14). the advantage of holding an entire state in both alliances is that all non-capital regions count toward a bonus. to gain the biggest occupation bonus, u must hold an entire state on both sides, such as germany with soviet russia, am i right?
iancanton wrote:i thought of the following description. however, it is too long.
occupation bonus: hold entire state of one alliance to receive +1 for every 2 town or province regions occupied in an enemy state; if you control the capital, then it is not an enemy state.
ian.
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