I agree with everything you said, but I dont know that Flores' post was turning us in the wrong direction. When I read it, I took it as speculation. Now Ill have to go back and read where she posted that so I can see if the context matches up, but if it was near the start of the day I wouldnt say it is uncommon for speculation to be given. Ill read back the next time I read up on the new posts
You are correct that it is the sort of thing that could either be an innocent townie trying to get things going with their best guess or a nefarious scum trying to to lead us down the wrong track. There isn't really any way to tell which it is at this point in time. I am judging based on feeling and don't really expect her to answer for it in. I simply give it as an explanation for why I picked Flores over the other candidates.
Okay, I'm going to go a different direction here...looking back at posts, both GA7 and Ghostly have been very poor in the number of posts. Given the setup and the countdown clock that is in place, it is very easy for mafia to sit back and do nothing. I'm willing to bet that one of them is mafia.
I'll start with VOTE GA7
I'll agree that Flores makes something itch between my shoulder blades, but rereading her posts, I find nothing incriminating...yet.
Nebuchadnezer wrote:Okay, I'm going to go a different direction here...looking back at posts, both GA7 and Ghostly have been very poor in the number of posts. Given the setup and the countdown clock that is in place, it is very easy for mafia to sit back and do nothing. I'm willing to bet that one of them is mafia.
I'll start with VOTE GA7
I'll agree that Flores makes something itch between my shoulder blades, but rereading her posts, I find nothing incriminating...yet.
I was thinking along these lines also... would be way too easy for townshend to just sit back and wait for the dayclock to expire without posting, and we'd never catch him...
Doing a quick search, GA7 has only posted twice in all of December (3 times if you count the happy birthday post). That is either serious scummarizing, or she should be replaced... since we already just had 2 replacements, I'd rather try to get her posting again, and see what she has to say for herself. So for that reason, I will vote GA7
I agree with everything you said, but I dont know that Flores' post was turning us in the wrong direction. When I read it, I took it as speculation. Now Ill have to go back and read where she posted that so I can see if the context matches up, but if it was near the start of the day I wouldnt say it is uncommon for speculation to be given. Ill read back the next time I read up on the new posts
You are correct that it is the sort of thing that could either be an innocent townie trying to get things going with their best guess or a nefarious scum trying to to lead us down the wrong track. There isn't really any way to tell which it is at this point in time. I am judging based on feeling and don't really expect her to answer for it in. I simply give it as an explanation for why I picked Flores over the other candidates.
Gotcha, makes sense to me, so I wont call it out again, just wanted to offer my take. Out of the possible inactive candidates, I see lots of votes getting put on GA7. We might want a prod on them before too many votes mount, as we cant really expect an answer if hes been inactive the game. MM, can we get a prod on GA7? I apologize if it's unnecessary, but figured I would ask while Im here.
right well first off i want to remind everybody, as it seems that the focus has shifted somewhat, that we aren't really concerned with lynching scum today, we are more concerned with finding and lynching this jean townshend fellow, as he has kidnapped the princess, and the mod told us it would be bad for town if we don't lynch jean today, as to who jean is not sure but there are 16 players left alive, of these we have claims from virus and nag
1) safariguy5 2) new guy1 3) The Weird One 4) virus90-Princess Cordelia gi Randgriz 5) gregwolf121 6) FloresDelMal 8 ) Anarkistsdream 9) rishaed 10) Commander9 12) ghostly447 13) HotShot53 14) kratos644 15) JamesKer1 17) Iron Butterfly 19) ga7 20) nagerous (replaced epic pie)-Captain Eleanor Varrot
so i'm pretty confident that these two aren't townshend so we can eliminate them from the list, we can also safely eliminate spiesr from this list as he replaced james who was MIA for basically all of day two, and spiser replaced day 3 so he couldn't have done the kidnapping, that leaves 13 1) safariguy5 2) new guy1 3) nebuchadnezer (replaced The Weird One) 5) gregwolf121 6) FloresDelMal 8 ) Anarkistsdream 9) rishaed 10) Commander9 12) ghostly447 13) HotShot53 14) kratos644 17) Iron Butterfly 19) ga7
up to this point i believe we can all agree now i think that i can elimante others from this list but not everyone here will follow why, meaning they would see things differently, ie i would remove myself as i know i am town and am not jean townshend, but the rest of you don't know that and would probably argue so for the sake of time and my case i won't list all of the reasons i have of eliminating the others
kratos644 wrote:
Nebuchadnezer wrote: 2. Look at the following four players...who, after Virus's claim all unvote and voted for Jonty. My thinking is that Townshend, having found the Princess would unvote and get a lynch quickly, so he could kidnap the Princess at night. Those four that fit this pattern are:
Flores, rishaed, safariguy, and kratos
Of these, I would order them safariguy, kratos, Flores and rishaed.
That's all I have.
skimming already eh? I never voted for Jonty. I actually suggested we do a little more scumhunting first.
as i looked at this too, kratos didn't vote jonty, it was IB. 5 left 1) safariguy5 6) FloresDelMal 9) rishaed 13) HotShot53 17) Iron Butterfly basically i think one of these five is jean townshend, but my money is on it being flores or IB, mostly based on their voting patterns first IB
hotshot well hotshot is posting but not really contributing just not a whole lot of meaningful content in the posts
safariguy basically because voted for jonty at the end of the day,
safariguy5 wrote:That is a role I have heard of and the flavor fits. I could see jonty in some sort of a lyncher role, considering his use of the stolen vote.
unvote vote jonty
just seems like a weak reason to join the wagon
now then right now i'm more suspicious of flores than the rest so vote flores
Can we get a vote count? You have only posted one so far this day and that one didn't even include how many were needed to lynch at the time. I think we are at 9 right now and that ga7, nagerous, and Flores are tied at 2.
Sorry guys, the surfing in Hawaii was just too good. I'm back now and will be active.
The thing with Nag and IB is that we have a set amount of time to figure out who is Townsend. The question is, how much is finding Townsend worth versus the amount of roles we could be uncovering like Nag's.
I'm unconvinced that we'll be able to find Townsend before the end of the day. I'm also afraid we'll reveal other power roles like Nag's. Worst case scenario, we do know who the princess is, so we could possibly off the princess later on if that would neutralize the advantage. It's not an ideal solution, but we have few leads on Townsend.
safariguy5 wrote:Sorry guys, the surfing in Hawaii was just too good. I'm back now and will be active.
The thing with Nag and IB is that we have a set amount of time to figure out who is Townsend. The question is, how much is finding Townsend worth versus the amount of roles we could be uncovering like Nag's.
I'm unconvinced that we'll be able to find Townsend before the end of the day. I'm also afraid we'll reveal other power roles like Nag's. Worst case scenario, we do know who the princess is, so we could possibly off the princess later on if that would neutralize the advantage. It's not an ideal solution, but we have few leads on Townsend.
If the princess is kidnapped, how do you think we will be able to off her?
(And I am jealous you were surfing in Hawaii)
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
I propose we get one more full claim today. We can decide from there. And if Ga7 doesn't show up and we have strong claims across the board then I don't mind lynching the inactive if its the safest course of action. A No Lynch today is not an option for me.
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
rishaed wrote:I propose we get one more full claim today. We can decide from there. And if Ga7 doesn't show up and we have strong claims across the board then I don't mind lynching the inactive if its the safest course of action. A No Lynch today is not an option for me.
With the current vote countdown system, a no-lynch is almost impossible to happen unless people actively campaign for it... eventually it will get down low enough that it only take a few votes to lynch like day 1 was.
Unfortunately I agree it's going to be very hard to find the one particular guy... but we can keep trying anyway. I don't think lynching the princess would work... she'd still be dead, so I suspect we'd get whatever negative effect her dying causes anyway.
safariguy5 wrote:Sorry guys, the surfing in Hawaii was just too good. I'm back now and will be active.
The thing with Nag and IB is that we have a set amount of time to figure out who is Townsend. The question is, how much is finding Townsend worth versus the amount of roles we could be uncovering like Nag's.
I'm unconvinced that we'll be able to find Townsend before the end of the day. I'm also afraid we'll reveal other power roles like Nag's. Worst case scenario, we do know who the princess is, so we could possibly off the princess later on if that would neutralize the advantage. It's not an ideal solution, but we have few leads on Townsend.
If the princess is kidnapped, how do you think we will be able to off her?
(And I am jealous you were surfing in Hawaii)
That depends on what happens if the princess does get kidnapped. Does that mean that virus dies and we cannot do anything to him? I kind of assumed he would be around and we can still off him if necessary.
Virus already posted his one post for flavor... he is missing... powers can't be used on him, is the way I am understanding it... if you have ben kidnapped, your best friend can't come over and hang out.... hahaha
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
Anarkistsdream wrote:Virus already posted his one post for flavor... he is missing... powers can't be used on him, is the way I am understanding it... if you have ben kidnapped, your best friend can't come over and hang out.... hahaha
So do we believe the tree stumping would be permanent if we don't find Townsend? Would that change if we end up taking out Townsend after today? There's a lot of variables here that I think means we might be able to mitigate or neutralize this advantage even if we don't manage to get rid of Townsend today.
Anarkistsdream wrote:Virus already posted his one post for flavor... he is missing... powers can't be used on him, is the way I am understanding it... if you have ben kidnapped, your best friend can't come over and hang out.... hahaha
So do we believe the tree stumping would be permanent if we don't find Townsend? Would that change if we end up taking out Townsend after today? There's a lot of variables here that I think means we might be able to mitigate or neutralize this advantage even if we don't manage to get rid of Townsend today.
You have been really all over the place... And haven't really brought any cases, just asked random ambiguous questions...
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
All I'm saying is that we're allowing this Townsend character to dictate how we approach this day. Odds are that we don't find him unless we get very lucky, I'm just trying to figure out how we can get mitigate the damage if we don't find him. Which seems very likely to me at this point.
safariguy5 wrote:All I'm saying is that we're allowing this Townsend character to dictate how we approach this day. Odds are that we don't find him unless we get very lucky, I'm just trying to figure out how we can get mitigate the damage if we don't find him. Which seems very likely to me at this point.
The more time you spend on this, the less you are spending on finding Townshend, brother... I assume you realize that.
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
safariguy5 wrote:All I'm saying is that we're allowing this Townsend character to dictate how we approach this day.
Whatever role or action Townshend has seems to have made that choice for us. If we had a lead on a scum and had to decide between following it up or looking for Townshend then I could see you point, but we don't have that situation right now.
safariguy5 wrote:I'm just trying to figure out how we can get mitigate the damage if we don't find him. Which seems very likely to me at this point.
There isn't really much we can plan for damage control until we know more about what failure to stop Townshend actually means, and we likely won't find that out until/unless it happens. The mod saying that it would be bad for the Empire as well suggests that there is more to it than simply a townie being removed.
Can we get prods on Flores, Iron Butterfly, kratos, and nagerous? And replacement/mod-kills on Ga7, ghostly, and Commander? (Particularly those last two who haven't posted since Day 1 a month ago.)
safariguy5 wrote:All I'm saying is that we're allowing this Townsend character to dictate how we approach this day. Odds are that we don't find him unless we get very lucky, I'm just trying to figure out how we can get mitigate the damage if we don't find him. Which seems very likely to me at this point.
The more time you spend on this, the less you are spending on finding Townshend, brother... I assume you realize that.
I understand, but theoretically, anyone could vote nearly anyone today on the pretext that they could be Townsend. I'm just trying to guard against a forced massclaim on trumped up fears or reasoning. That said, are we willing to push for another claim? IB was the other person put up as a possible suspect, are we pursuing that on the grounds he could be Townsend?
