[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[StorrZerg]

I really don't see reason to change from Anark yet. As for others i would be ok with lynching. Pretty much anyone with under 5 posts that has not voiced an opinion regarding if they like or dislike someone. I picked anark from the group, because i felt i was going to get a reaction from him. He was at the top of the list of "vets". I was sure pressuring him would cause a reaction out of him and others.

And i am bothered by his post. I don't see your quote in black and white the way you present it.

We will see how it pans out. Your excessive outrage at my tactics though...well, it makes you either 1) look like you are such a townie that you can't believe it (which generally makes you scum) or 2) look naïve...

Your pick, bro.

The only thing that matters is that, in the end, town wins, no matter what characters or players are left alive.

It just feels Really weird.

and directed at Anarkistsdream
You knew your role, why have you not tired to take a bigger lead in town? To try and take a shot from mafia to save a PR? And i don't want the excuses that "it is hard to talk cause Stor posts so much" This isn't real life where everyone is shouting over each other, you have the freedom to post who you think is scum and town. I really don't have an idea of what you want to do. It just feels like "welp imma claim and that will be that"

[Anarkistsdream]

You can believe what you like... No skin off my back...

Just be sure that what you think you know is what is real.

It is rather odd that only 6 or 7 people out of 18 are active posters, though.

[StorrZerg]

Anarkistsdream, can you please give us your reads?
Who you think is scum/town. you keep avoiding the question

You are right it is "odd/sucks" that only 6-7 people are active, but with those active people im sure you can say what you think about them.

[cooldeals]

I really don't see reason to change from Anark yet. As for others i would be ok with lynching. Pretty much anyone with under 5 posts that has not voiced an opinion regarding if they like or dislike someone.

This is just odd to me. When I vote on D1 I vote to pressure people for a claim that I may think are more suspect, I evaluate the responses of everyone and then go from there. You keep asking people who they would lynch and have been for a while. I don't think anyone should be able to have an answer to that question at least up to before Anarkist soft claimed. Anyone who can be sure of scum during the joke vote stage is either telepathic or scum.

To be honest at this point I'd move to pressure some more inactive and possibly get a claim or two out there.

[StorrZerg]

I really don't see reason to change from Anark yet. As for others i would be ok with lynching. Pretty much anyone with under 5 posts that has not voiced an opinion regarding if they like or dislike someone.

This is just odd to me. When I vote on D1 I vote to pressure people for a claim that I may think are more suspect, I evaluate the responses of everyone and then go from there. You keep asking people who they would lynch and have been for a while. I don't think anyone should be able to have an answer to that question at least up to before Anarkist soft claimed. Anyone who can be sure of scum during the joke vote stage is either telepathic or scum.

To be honest at this point I'd move to pressure some more inactive and possibly get a claim or two out there.

the pressure was not intent for a claim. The pressure was i thought his play was mafia like. And i wanted him to contribute so i could reevaluate my thoughts on him. All that happened was he claimed.

As for pressure, there are only 2 votes on him. People are welcome to pressure others they think are scum.

[rishaed]

I really don't see reason to change from Anark yet. As for others i would be ok with lynching. Pretty much anyone with under 5 posts that has not voiced an opinion regarding if they like or dislike someone. I picked anark from the group, because i felt i was going to get a reaction from him. He was at the top of the list of "vets". I was sure pressuring him would cause a reaction out of him and others.

And i am bothered by his post. I don't see your quote in black and white the way you present it.

We will see how it pans out. Your excessive outrage at my tactics though...well, it makes you either 1) look like you are such a townie that you can't believe it (which generally makes you scum) or 2) look naïve...

Your pick, bro.

The only thing that matters is that, in the end, town wins, no matter what characters or players are left alive.

It just feels Really weird.

and directed at Anarkistsdream
You knew your role, why have you not tired to take a bigger lead in town? To try and take a shot from mafia to save a PR? And i don't want the excuses that "it is hard to talk cause Stor posts so much" This isn't real life where everyone is shouting over each other, you have the freedom to post who you think is scum and town. I really don't have an idea of what you want to do. It just feels like "welp imma claim and that will be that"

This just rubs me wrong right now, I could be off, but this and the

the pressure was not intent for a claim.

don't fit right. D1 voting people is always initially with the intent of claiming. Isn't that one of the main two functions of voting? (Lynch/Pressure for claim?) Sure you can say that he was acting scummy, but unless you've got a cop result or a really solid case (neither of which usually happens on D1), the pressure is for a claim to benefit town information wise, you analyze the claim and you go from there.
However Nark softclaiming on two votes seems weird as well.
FOS Nark, FOS X-Stor

[StorrZerg]

I really don't see reason to change from Anark yet. As for others i would be ok with lynching. Pretty much anyone with under 5 posts that has not voiced an opinion regarding if they like or dislike someone. I picked anark from the group, because i felt i was going to get a reaction from him. He was at the top of the list of "vets". I was sure pressuring him would cause a reaction out of him and others.

And i am bothered by his post. I don't see your quote in black and white the way you present it.

We will see how it pans out. Your excessive outrage at my tactics though...well, it makes you either 1) look like you are such a townie that you can't believe it (which generally makes you scum) or 2) look naïve...

Your pick, bro.

The only thing that matters is that, in the end, town wins, no matter what characters or players are left alive.

It just feels Really weird.

and directed at Anarkistsdream
You knew your role, why have you not tired to take a bigger lead in town? To try and take a shot from mafia to save a PR? And i don't want the excuses that "it is hard to talk cause Stor posts so much" This isn't real life where everyone is shouting over each other, you have the freedom to post who you think is scum and town. I really don't have an idea of what you want to do. It just feels like "welp imma claim and that will be that"

This just rubs me wrong right now, I could be off, but this and the

the pressure was not intent for a claim.

don't fit right. D1 voting people is always initially with the intent of claiming. Isn't that one of the main two functions of voting? (Lynch/Pressure for claim?) Sure you can say that he was acting scummy, but unless you've got a cop result or a really solid case (neither of which usually happens on D1), the pressure is for a claim to benefit town information wise, you analyze the claim and you go from there.
However Nark softclaiming on two votes seems weird as well.
FOS Nark, FOS X-Stor

You have to remember, I come from a different place. So just because the meta here is to always "force someone to claim to gain information" doesn't mean that is the way i play. The main function of voting imo is yes 1 to put pressure on someone. (force them to post, react, answer questions etc) and Mainly to try and Lynch scum. I say try because especially on day 1, we have limited information, only what we are able to generate through discussion. I'm coming from the view point that claims happen latter in the voting cycle. For example, i was not expecting him to claim, i was hoping he would add to discussion and talk. If thing still sounded weird/scummy then i for sure would be pushing for his head and claim. (atm im pushing still because i feel he has still not added to the discussion and only to dismiss some opinions against him as almost meaningless)


Is there anyone that strikes you as town? if so why?

[Metsfanmax]

Between risking to lynch a PR and lynching a claimed VT, no doubt, i go for the claimed VT. Obviously the scum's favorite when it comes to fake claim.

Those aren't the only two choices we have. There are plenty of people who aren't that active that we could be pushing. I'm not going to lynch a claimed VT on D1 if there's any chance at all of something better.

[StorrZerg]

@Metsfanmax who would you want to push?

[Metsfanmax]

superkeener perhaps? His main contribution over the last few pages has been an awful misread of a post.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I like the setup talk as well, however it is all speculation at this point. We will continue to put the pieces together. However, a tentative foundation of possible roles is also a plus.

To mod: Is there anyway we can get a post count or something similar so we can see the inactives to get the proddings started?

Asking the mod for a post count? Do it yourself.

Unvote vote nark
Seriously, wtf man? What a daft move. There s no vote count but basically, you just softclaim badger, vt just after a vote or 2? You know that if we find a VT we ll have no prob lynching you, a lot to gain and not that much yo lose.
Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

Xstor s case on you was sloppy but what you did in response is extremely scummy!

So you admit that you would rather lynch a VT then keep him around? And you say I look scummy...

As for saying I was badger... That isn't what I did at all... I dropped clues in previous posts, not the one I was replying in...

Haven't people heard the term "badgering the witness?"

Dude...you done screwed up, son! At least wait for a wagon to form, so we get some info...I'm not a fan of what you did here. We might as well go ahead and get your full claim...VOTE Anarkistsdream

[Rodion]

Fully caught up (still no internet, glad my phone has a 5 inch screen).

Regarding people:

Cooldeals - I found it weird that he'd suggest us to go back to jokevote stage, especially after a semi-serious case had just started (Stor's case on Virus, iirc). Not sure there was a mafia motivation behind that, though (perhaps if the guy he ended up trying to "protect" with the return to jokevote phase ends up flipping mafia, but that remains to be seen).

Stor - are you from mafia scum by any chance? I don't have any issues with the way he's been playing. What botters me to some extent is some players' advice/prediction/threat that he'd be D1 lynched for rubbing people the wrong way. I expect people here to vote their scumreads, not their annoyingreads, so Stor's personality should be moot as far as lynches go.

Nark - too soon to claim. Said he was not being as agressive as usual because Stor was doing that already, but as a claimed VT should have taken the responsibility upon himself.

Tired now, I'll try to contribute more later.

[Iron Butterfly]

I would love if someone would comment on nagerous, case against myself.

If they like it, if so Why, if they don't like it, Why.

I will say this about nagareous and his mafia play. He can be very sensitive about what people say and how they they say it. It really does boil down to ones personal perception. *grin* though I do agree with his initial assessment. I have found you annoying but then again I felt the same about betiko and Anarchist when I first started playing with them.

The fact of the matter is YOU could be a real sly dog and be mafia for all we know. Just because you seem to have the Towns best interests does not mean you do. I also usually say once per game, "just because you you are town does not mean anyone believes you are Town."

Now Anarchist....like others I do not get what he did or why. A VT is one of the most useless roles to claim. He claimed with no reason too. I have played several games and hes a big boy, he can fight and fend for himself when he chooses to. Its my opinion that he is who he says..a VT. Why? Any mafia player worth their grain of salt, who is mafia, would not roll over in a 16 player game on day 1 after only two votes.

So he saved us some time...he is a claimed VT. Its either a HUGE gambit on his part or he is who he says. The good news is that if we do lynch him, which there is a strong possibility of, we will not be lynching a Town PR.

We need a role name Anarchist.

[Metsfanmax]

Stor - are you from mafia scum by any chance? I don't have any issues with the way he's been playing. What botters me to some extent is some players' advice/prediction/threat that he'd be D1 lynched for rubbing people the wrong way. I expect people here to vote their scumreads, not their annoyingreads, so Stor's personality should be moot as far as lynches go.

If there are no strong cases on D1, I would be tempted to lynch the annoying one.

[betiko]

I would love if someone would comment on nagerous, case against myself.

If they like it, if so Why, if they don't like it, Why.

I will say this about nagareous and his mafia play. He can be very sensitive about what people say and how they they say it. It really does boil down to ones personal perception. *grin* though I do agree with his initial assessment. I have found you annoying but then again I felt the same about betiko and Anarchist when I first started playing with them.

The fact of the matter is YOU could be a real sly dog and be mafia for all we know. Just because you seem to have the Towns best interests does not mean you do. I also usually say once per game, "just because you you are town does not mean anyone believes you are Town."

Now Anarchist....like others I do not get what he did or why. A VT is one of the most useless roles to claim. He claimed with no reason too. I have played several games and hes a big boy, he can fight and fend for himself when he chooses to. Its my opinion that he is who he says..a VT. Why? Any mafia player worth their grain of salt, who is mafia, would not roll over in a 16 player game on day 1 after only two votes.

So he saved us some time...he is a claimed VT. Its either a HUGE gambit on his part or he is who he says. The good news is that if we do lynch him, which there is a strong possibility of, we will not be lynching a Town PR.

We need a role name Anarchist.

lol, I have to say that it's pretty convenient for me to have xstor doing my usual job of being a pain in the ass to everyone and forcing people to weight all the time in an agressive way first game with nark, so he usually also have this play style?

regarding nark: I am not fully convinced of my scum read on him, nevertheless, given the circumstances I doubt we'll manage to get a scummier claim in the form than that. that's what bothers me. so either we try to get a second claim, potentially revealing a PR before the night either we lynch nark and see what he flips.
I have to say that my curiosity makes me want to get a second claim, and my reason makes me think that it's not such a good idea to have too many people claiming early. The other problem here being that I haven't seen any other case worth scratching so far.. but more than happy to continue the scumhunt given all the time we have left.

[jonty125]

vote Anarkistsream claiming after two votes, is a serious no-no and WCS we lose a VT

[superkeener]

I agree with betiko on the case of nark.

My read on him right now is on the fence. Was his VT claim a mistake or a tactic? I am tending towards mistake; however, regardless it may be unsurmountable at this stage.

At this point, I will choose not to cast a vote on him just yet since we do have a few more days to see if another option presents itself.

@Mets
What do you mean by “awful misread of a post.”? If you are talking about when I asked if he softclaimed the role of Badger. I do not think it is an “awful misread.”
Badger, even though not a main character, is a good friend/dealer for Jesse. If Walt and Jesse are Town PR’s the badger would fit the role of VT very nicely.

Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

I can see Badger has a fake claim, but I think he maybe one of the top 18 characters of the show and has a real chance of being an official role. However nark did say he wasn’t claiming Badger, so I don’t know.

[Metsfanmax]

@Mets
What do you mean by “awful misread of a post.”? If you are talking about when I asked if he softclaimed the role of Badger. I do not think it is an “awful misread.”
Badger, even though not a main character, is a good friend/dealer for Jesse. If Walt and Jesse are Town PR’s the badger would fit the role of VT very nicely.

Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

I can see Badger has a fake claim, but I think he maybe one of the top 18 characters of the show and has a real chance of being an official role. However nark did say he wasn’t claiming Badger, so I don’t know.

Yes, I have said that Badger is most likely in the game. But grammatically, it was obvious from his post that he wasn't claiming as the character Badger, he was talking about badgering someone (as in aggressively attacking them).

[superkeener]

I see. I just went back and read some of his other posts since he said he "Hinted" at his role.

These stick out to me now:

All I know is they call him Heisenberg... I mean, it isn't like I hang out on street corners where kids ride their bikes

and

And, on that note, I am gonna go smoke some meth.

Since he claims to be VT, smoking meth, and hanging out on street corners. Skinny Pete fits those two descriptions and is a drugdealer/friend of Jesse and Badger which would most likely throw him on the town side of things.

However, this may be pure speculation.

[Metsfanmax]

If we're role fishing, then note that it's actually Combo that got shot by a kid riding his bike:

[betiko]

@Mets
What do you mean by “awful misread of a post.”? If you are talking about when I asked if he softclaimed the role of Badger. I do not think it is an “awful misread.”
Badger, even though not a main character, is a good friend/dealer for Jesse. If Walt and Jesse are Town PR’s the badger would fit the role of VT very nicely.

Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

I can see Badger has a fake claim, but I think he maybe one of the top 18 characters of the show and has a real chance of being an official role. However nark did say he wasn’t claiming Badger, so I don’t know.

Yes, I have said that Badger is most likely in the game. But grammatically, it was obvious from his post that he wasn't claiming as the character Badger, he was talking about badgering someone (as in aggressively attacking them).

He was breadcrumbing that he was breadcrumbing. At that point i think super thought like me; which character exactly did he breadcrumb? Badger is a huge methhead, and he said "i m going to smoke some meth" before. Then, he used the expression "to badger" just after saying he had been breadcrumbing stuff... And basically softclaiming VT just before! Yesterday when I saw nark s posts i imediately thought vt+badger, then saw the next posts in reply and saw that others caught the same thing.
So in my opinion super made total sense.. Given that I had the exact same thought process.
So yes, at this point I think that nark can just confirm his full claim... Did we get what you were insinuating?

Fp

[MoB Deadly]

Sorry I was away for like the past 2 days. Catching up

[Rugbirn]

I agree with all your observations about narks VT claim, however, there is one thing that bothers me. Strike said that he assigned roles in the order of game sign-ups. Nark was actually the second to sign up. I have to wonder if (why) Strike actually assigned a VT (Badger? a minor role) to the second person, especially someone that is a veteran player......Thoughts?

[Iron Butterfly]

I agree with betiko on the case of nark.

My read on him right now is on the fence. Was his VT claim a mistake or a tactic? I am tending towards mistake; however, regardless it may be unsurmountable at this stage.

At this point, I will choose not to cast a vote on him just yet since we do have a few more days to see if another option presents itself.

@Mets
What do you mean by “awful misread of a post.”? If you are talking about when I asked if he softclaimed the role of Badger. I do not think it is an “awful misread.”
Badger, even though not a main character, is a good friend/dealer for Jesse. If Walt and Jesse are Town PR’s the badger would fit the role of VT very nicely.

Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

I can see Badger has a fake claim, but I think he maybe one of the top 18 characters of the show and has a real chance of being an official role. However nark did say he wasn’t claiming Badger, so I don’t know.

Before we even consider and discuss what fake claims may exist we need to have an understanding of what factions and roles are actually involved. Speculating while being ignorant of setup is meaningless.

I also believe that with 18 players it will be extremely hard for roles to fit characters flavor wise. Combine that with fake claims and nothing should be assumed.

[strike wolf]

Official Vote Count

Metsfanmax
Anarchist (5)-x-stor, TFO, betiko, Nebuchadnezer, Jonty125
Virus90 (1)-Pancake
Rodion
Pancake
Cooldeals (2)-nebuchadnezer, rugbirn
Mob Deadly
Nagerous
Theforgivenone
iAmCaffeine (1)-Anarkist
Betiko
x-stor-x (2)-Iron Butterfly, Nagerous
nebuchadnezer
Ironbutterfly
Superkeener
Rugbirn
Jonty125
Rishaed

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Tuesday, March 4th in 5 days. Reminder anyone 5+ votes with the most at the end of the day will be lynched. As it stands now Anarkistsdream will be lynched.

As far as inactives. I will check to see who hasn't been posting recently.