[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[pancakemix]

I agree with all your observations about narks VT claim, however, there is one thing that bothers me. Strike said that he assigned roles in the order of game sign-ups. Nark was actually the second to sign up. I have to wonder if (why) Strike actually assigned a VT (Badger? a minor role) to the second person, especially someone that is a veteran player......Thoughts?

Order in signups has nothing to do with it. Roles are randomly distributed.

As for the character of Badger, I'm on the fence about whether or not he'd be in the game. On one hand, Badger is an oft-recurring character (and a fan favorite), all the way through the final episode (that's not a spoiler). On the other hand, he's really just a goofball and he himself doesn't have much relevance.Depending on how the balance is skewed and to what extent Season 5 is in play, I could see either being the case.

As for Nark... well, that was unusual. And I'm torn here as well. It's so out of the blue that I'm inclined to distrust it, but at the same time it's not the kind of play a vet makes lightly, which makes me inclined TO trust it, but also distrust it at the same time. Either way there's more to this than meets the eye. I think Nark needs to come back here and clarify some more.

[Metsfanmax]

@Mets
What do you mean by “awful misread of a post.”? If you are talking about when I asked if he softclaimed the role of Badger. I do not think it is an “awful misread.”
Badger, even though not a main character, is a good friend/dealer for Jesse. If Walt and Jesse are Town PR’s the badger would fit the role of VT very nicely.

Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

I can see Badger has a fake claim, but I think he maybe one of the top 18 characters of the show and has a real chance of being an official role. However nark did say he wasn’t claiming Badger, so I don’t know.

Yes, I have said that Badger is most likely in the game. But grammatically, it was obvious from his post that he wasn't claiming as the character Badger, he was talking about badgering someone (as in aggressively attacking them).

He was breadcrumbing that he was breadcrumbing. At that point i think super thought like me; which character exactly did he breadcrumb? Badger is a huge methhead, and he said "i m going to smoke some meth" before. Then, he used the expression "to badger" just after saying he had been breadcrumbing stuff... And basically softclaiming VT just before! Yesterday when I saw nark s posts i imediately thought vt+badger, then saw the next posts in reply and saw that others caught the same thing.
So in my opinion super made total sense.. Given that I had the exact same thought process.

But if he's softclaiming VT, then Combo makes more sense than Badger for the reason I posted (and that you didn't respond to because you were fastposted). That was obvious from the beginning, though maybe not to someone who hasn't watched the show. I'm not saying that the suspicion of his breadcrumbing is unjustified. I am saying that just up and asking him if he's Badger is an obvious misread of the situation (why would he breadcrumb like that anyway?) -- and then you went ahead and insinuated that he was indeed softclaiming Badger without giving him a chance to respond.

[betiko]

well to tell the truth it's the first time I ever hear the expression "to badger", so I guess it's not often used and that he could not have NOT thought of it... after talking about breadcrumbing. If you had written that post, wouldn't you have changed that verb with a synonym in order not to give a wrong clue?
Anyway, badger or combo, it's not very relevant. His "sin" isn't to be badger vs combo, it's to softclaim vt when he had so little pressure on his shoulders.

and to tell the truth I think I missed that part... did he say he got killed by a kid on a bike? I remember tha someone mentioned that sene here in the game, but I don't remember why and who..

[MoB Deadly]

Got to the bottom of the page of 18..... So completely confused why Anak Claimed before getting even remotely close to L-2. Very scummy in my eyes.

X-stor-x asked people to comment on nags case. nag things x-stor-x has a negative impact on the game and I disagree, I like to play the way he does. (Although a little bit off the throttle would be nice)

Given the standard probability, stor is most likely town.
1. Every game needs a leader, I am happy to see him start us off.
2. I would like to see how the mafia acts with him in the game, he will probably be in the discussion for a night kill.
3. I disagree that stor has a negative impact on the game. Pushy yes, negative, I dont think so.

I am not interested in voting him unless there is evidence on him, or unless he is leading town in wrong directions and could be scum

Gotta get some work done, will continue later

[Anarkistsdream]

well to tell the truth it's the first time I ever hear the expression "to badger", so I guess it's not often used and that he could not have NOT thought of it... after talking about breadcrumbing. If you had written that post, wouldn't you have changed that verb with a synonym in order not to give a wrong clue?
Anyway, badger or combo, it's not very relevant. His "sin" isn't to be badger vs combo, it's to softclaim vt when he had so little pressure on his shoulders.

and to tell the truth I think I missed that part... did he say he got killed by a kid on a bike? I remember tha someone mentioned that sene here in the game, but I don't remember why and who..

Actually, it is very commonly used in my line of work... The term, that is...

Metsfan is the only one thinking all of this through, and for that, I say good on you, brother...

I have a strong suspicion that of the five people voting me, at least two of them will be scum, and, if enough townies are dumb enough to get behind the lynch of a vt, then they will be able to claim ignorance at a later time.

It is at this time that I finally start having reads on people, x-stor. See, before I can make decisions, I jave to give them something to talk/argue about. Just jumping on random people at the beginning doesn't work too well... As it stands, metsfan is most assuredly town, or is 3rd party with the towns best interests at heart.

Rugbirn, I think you are misinterpreting what Strike Wolf said about assigning roles. I also think Rugbirn is townish...

Pancake... It was a gambit on my part, but everyone was so fixated on x-stor that something epic had to be done to get the ball rolling. Another few days of that and we would have ended up having to rush lynch someone.

Now, of the five voting me, x-stor could just be as aggressive as I am, but he has been very overbearing all game, and it is easy to want to lynch the annoying person. TFO and I have not played much together, so I really have few reads on him. Betiko is town, I truly believe... Neb and Jonty both are.... well, the most likely scum on my wagon. They waited for several other votes to build up first, whih protects them from being accused of leading the wagon. They both basically said, we would rather lynch a VT then try to find scum, which is a super smart thing for mafia to do... Kill the VT during the day and look for PR at night... Remember, they know who is scum with them... At least their type of scum if there is a Fring/Cartel division.

Vote Neb

[cooldeals]

Sorry I was away for like the past 2 days. Catching up

Postby MoB Deadly on Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:38 am

Bullcrap

On Wednesday Feb 26 you made 24 posts in our clan mafia game.
On Thursday Feb 27 you made 3 posts
Today you have posted several more.

How do you come in here knowing I'm in this game too and lie like that.

vote MoB

[cooldeals]

Also Anark I think a full claim is inevitable from you. It seems you've already seen who has jumped on your wagon, may as well finish off the claim unless I missed it

[MoB Deadly]

Sorry I was away for like the past 2 days. Catching up

Postby MoB Deadly on Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:38 am

Bullcrap

On Wednesday Feb 26 you made 24 posts in our clan mafia game.
On Thursday Feb 27 you made 3 posts
Today you have posted several more.

How do you come in here knowing I'm in this game too and lie like that.

vote MoB

Umm. Away from this game for 2 days.
Yeah on the 26th I made 24 posts in the clan game. Do you think I had any amount of time to even read this thread? no.
As for the 27th
2014-02-27 03:43:12 - MoB Deadly missed a turn
and others. Yesterday I was online briefly and was away all day.

Just because I said away, I did not mean away from the internet or computer. I meant away from this game.
I started reading from teh top of page 17 this morning. Ive skimmed along since about 19 now, but with so many players I need more time to form a real contribution

[Anarkistsdream]

Also Anark I think a full claim is inevitable from you. It seems you've already seen who has jumped on your wagon, may as well finish off the claim unless I missed it

Excellent catch on MoB...

And of course I am Badger... So, that makes me assume Skinny Pete is out there somewhere, too.

[MoB Deadly]

I started reading from teh top of page 17 this morning. Ive skimmed along since about 19 now, but with so many players I need more time to form a real contribution

This sounds bad: I started top of page 17, read all the way to the bottom of 18 like I said in my previous post. Skimmed 19+ but have not read in enough concentration or detail to make a strong contribution

[cooldeals]

I may have jumped on that too hard. Rereading it again I guess you may have actually been apologizing to us for not being in this game and I imagine you probably didn't have much time for this game due to the chaos in the other. I was falling behind myself. I thought you were trying to literally claim your silence was because you were literally gone.

unvote.

[jonty125]

They waited for several other votes to build up first

I placed my vote on you, as soon as I clarified that you had committed the crime of early claiming, I waited for nothing.

[Anarkistsdream]

They waited for several other votes to build up first

I placed my vote on you, as soon as I clarified that you had committed the crime of early claiming, I waited for nothing.

Exactly what a smart scum would say... Also, notice my vote is on Neb, not you.

[Anarkistsdream]

Also, I love how you call what I did a "crime..."

Hahaha. Very subtle

[Rugbirn]

I disagree with pancake and anark. Here is Strike's post: "Role PMs are coming out in order of when you signed up. Please confirm as you get them."
If Anak is badger, (and #2) why couldn't Strike just have distributed the roles in alphabetical order to the order of sign-ups. Wild theory, but something to consider as we find out more about who is who. Virus, you were the first to sign up - who are you?

[StorrZerg]

thats a joke right

[rishaed]

If there are no strong cases on D1, I would be tempted to lynch the annoying one.

Does anyone find this weird as well? Hes not so annoying that he is disrupting the game ( at which point lynching is a valid option after all else has been tried).
fp'd
As a mod i don't "assign" roles in the meaning you are thinking of. I randomize roles/lists and match them by order of the two lists. Also if the mod did as you said, then the roles aren't random like they should be and figuring them out provides a huge (HUGE) disadvantage to any Mafia/Third Party because you can confirm roles that you shouldnt be able to at endgame by using the list. Also I don't like the rolefishing.
fp'd

[Anarkistsdream]

I disagree with pancake and anark. Here is Strike's post: "Role PMs are coming out in order of when you signed up. Please confirm as you get them."
If Anak is badger, (and #2) why couldn't Strike just have distributed the roles in alphabetical order to the order of sign-ups. Wild theory, but something to consider as we find out more about who is who. Virus, you were the first to sign up - who are you?

Role PMs are coming out in that order.... that has nothing to do with what role you received.... good lord... and you are asking for virus to claim? Hahahaha....

[MoB Deadly]

This is a stupid debate. How many years/games has Strike Wolf Modded? I know mistakes are made sometimes but I do not think SW would do something so elementary.

[jonty125]

They waited for several other votes to build up first

I placed my vote on you, as soon as I clarified that you had committed the crime of early claiming, I waited for nothing.

Exactly what a smart scum would say... Also, notice my vote is on Neb, not you.

Doesn't matter you threw mud at my name, I'm going to have use my high-pressure hose of truth on it.

[Rugbirn]

Hey, just throwing it out there. Don't kill the messanger; said it was a wild theory! And it at least has some logic to it, as opposed to half the messgaes I've read here. Besides, maybe SW knows that role details are not revevant to most of you and decided to throw you a curve?

[Anarkistsdream]

Hey, just throwing it out there. Don't kill the messanger; said it was a wild theory! And it at least has some logic to it, as opposed to half the messgaes I've read here. Besides, maybe SW knows that role details are not revevant to most of you and decided to throw you a curve?

I seriously have no idea what the hell you are talking about...

[StorrZerg]

someone asked, I am not from mafia scum.
Never played on that site.

gonna reread and give my revised opinion about my vote.

[Iron Butterfly]

I strongly agree with Anarchist that there will be mafia within those 5 names on his wagon.

I also agree that the use of the word crime to describe claiming with only two votes is an accurate description. Crime is used as an adjective to describe the offense in my mind. It is not actually a crime per say. If Anarchist is who he says, which in my opinion he is, then I also believe the mafia voting have a safe enough cover to vote him.

Actually its a pretty smart move if he is Town and who he says. A VT is usually cannon fodder with a vote. A smart VT will also soft claim a PR to draw fire and take a night hit.

With Mob I could go either way. I have been in his position where I check CC but am overwhelmed by games that have gotten ahead of me.

I think Anarchist is on to something. Before I vote I wanna reread.

[Rugbirn]

I want to beleive Anark, but the way he keeps posting virus' "pat on the back" makes me think that they are part of the same scum clan.