[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[Anarkistsdream]

I want to beleive Anark, but the way he keeps posting virus' "pat on the back" makes me think that they are part of the same scum clan.

Do you not understand how signatures work?

Have you ever played mafia before?

What grade are you in?

[StorrZerg]

I want to beleive Anark, but the way he keeps posting virus' "pat on the back" makes me think that they are part of the same scum clan.

Do you not understand how signatures work?

Have you ever played mafia before?

What grade are you in?

can we stay on topic?

As for you "making a play"
Did you expect someone to pressure you?
Cause from my view, you could have easily stayed low profile.

Personally i'm having a hard time placing myself in "your shoes" as a VT, wanting to have pressure applied to myself in this manner to "catch scum"

You have many comments regarding "that is what a smart scum would say" which feels in simple terms of "you called me scum so im gonna call you scum" So from an outside perspective, i don't get it. I don't have that same reaction.

[StorrZerg]

I want to beleive Anark, but the way he keeps posting virus' "pat on the back" makes me think that they are part of the same scum clan.

I honestly do believe this was his intent. He did want to claim. The question is, what was the motivation. I can see a few possibilities as to why he does something like this.

[Anarkistsdream]

I want to beleive Anark, but the way he keeps posting virus' "pat on the back" makes me think that they are part of the same scum clan.

Do you not understand how signatures work?

Have you ever played mafia before?

What grade are you in?

can we stay on topic?

That is on topic, genius... Rugbirn can't even decipher the difference between a signature added to the bottom of posts with the normal body of the post.... If you don't think that is part of the topic, then I say you are missing the point...

As for you "making a play"
Did you expect someone to pressure you?
Cause from my view, you could have easily stayed low profile.

Again, that shows that you have never played with us all before... Nark doesn't do low profile, and most everyone here knows it. At some point, someone would have said something... In fact, a few of the old timers here with me had already voiced their opinions of me being "quieter than normal." Now, while it is true that Black History Month just finished kicking my ass, but I also stayed quiet because I had to let everyone settle in first. I had been dropping hints waiting for someone to run with them... By dropping those hints, I figured there would be pressure. Fairly common practice around here.


Personally i'm having a hard time placing myself in "your shoes" as a VT, wanting to have pressure applied to myself in this manner to "catch scum"

That's your problem, not mine.

You have many comments regarding "that is what a smart scum would say" which feels in simple terms of "you called me scum so im gonna call you scum" So from an outside perspective, i don't get it. I don't have that same reaction.

And...?

My comments in blue bold above...

Lastly, you still are just jumping around, not making any solid conclusions... Just sort of antagonizing everyone and waiting for their response... And, it seems to me as if, even when you get a response, it is "not good enough."

Time for you to put on your big boy pants.

[Anarkistsdream]

WHERE ARE YOU:


3. Rishaed
9. Iamcaffeine
12. Rodion
13. Theforgivenone

[TheForgivenOne]

Hey, just throwing it out there. Don't kill the messanger; said it was a wild theory! And it at least has some logic to it, as opposed to half the messgaes I've read here. Besides, maybe SW knows that role details are not revevant to most of you and decided to throw you a curve?

Put yourself in the Mod's shoes. Having a good game going, then have your players notice that the scum are all in a row on the signup list. Suddenly, game ruined. Especially an Official game with prizes awarded.

I disagree with pancake and anark. Here is Strike's post: "Role PMs are coming out in order of when you signed up. Please confirm as you get them."
If Anak is badger, (and #2) why couldn't Strike just have distributed the roles in alphabetical order to the order of sign-ups. Wild theory, but something to consider as we find out more about who is who. Virus, you were the first to sign up - who are you?

That role fishing is irking me, but I'm going to leave it.. for now.

First of all Unvote. I've been on the ledge with Anark's responses, but I'm starting to fall towards him being town.

I think people are overreacting a bit to it, as if he hadn't pointed out it being a softclaim, nobody would be batting an eye right now.

(It's hard to keep track with this thread, as I check in 3 hours later and 2 new pages are up).

I disagree with Mets (I think it was him) who favored lynching an annoying one, because I can find something annoying, you can find something else annoying, etc (Unless it was annoying like that crazy chick from like, 2 years ago. Yomiel I think). To me, this just seems like a cheap way of mafia trying to eliminate a townie without much backlash coming off it, Aka, I only lynched him because he was annoying. FoS on him.

[TheForgivenOne]

Hey, just throwing it out there. Don't kill the messanger; said it was a wild theory! And it at least has some logic to it, as opposed to half the messgaes I've read here. Besides, maybe SW knows that role details are not revevant to most of you and decided to throw you a curve?

Put yourself in the Mod's shoes. Having a good game going, then have your players notice that the scum are all in a row on the signup list. Suddenly, game ruined. Especially an Official game with prizes awarded.

I disagree with pancake and anark. Here is Strike's post: "Role PMs are coming out in order of when you signed up. Please confirm as you get them."
If Anak is badger, (and #2) why couldn't Strike just have distributed the roles in alphabetical order to the order of sign-ups. Wild theory, but something to consider as we find out more about who is who. Virus, you were the first to sign up - who are you?

That role fishing is irking me, but I'm going to leave it.. for now.

First of all Unvote. I've been on the ledge with Anark's responses, but I'm starting to fall towards him being town.

I think people are overreacting a bit to it, as if he hadn't pointed out it being a softclaim, nobody would be batting an eye right now.

(It's hard to keep track with this thread, as I check in 3 hours later and 2 new pages are up).

I disagree with Mets (I think it was him) who favored lynching an annoying one, because I can find something annoying, you can find something else annoying, etc (Unless it was annoying like that crazy chick from like, 2 years ago. Yomiel I think). To me, this just seems like a cheap way of mafia trying to eliminate a townie without much backlash coming off it, Aka, I only lynched him because he was annoying. FoS on him.

EBWOP: By check in, I mean sneak a peak while my boss isn't looking at work.

[rishaed]

WHERE ARE YOU:


3. Rishaed
9. Iamcaffeine
12. Rodion
13. Theforgivenone

If you didn't notice my short post (it was short) at the top of the page, I am here Its just that I don't have time 24/7 to post long posts. Its the weekend so I can do more in depth analysis. I'm still deciding on your 'case'/response to X-Stor. And none of you have answered my question in my last post about Mets' post. Tja, Im out of time right now.

[Anarkistsdream]

WHERE ARE YOU:


3. Rishaed
9. Iamcaffeine
12. Rodion
13. Theforgivenone

If you didn't notice my short post (it was short) at the top of the page, I am here Its just that I don't have time 24/7 to post long posts. Its the weekend so I can do more in depth analysis. I'm still deciding on your 'case'/response to X-Stor. And none of you have answered my question in my last post about Mets' post. Tja, Im out of time right now.

I had missed it, bro... Haha. Sorry about that.

I haven't felt that Mets has been posting scummy posts... *shrug* That isn't to say that I don't miss things. And I have been a bit preoccupied.

[TheForgivenOne]

WHERE ARE YOU:


3. Rishaed
9. Iamcaffeine
12. Rodion
13. Theforgivenone

If you didn't notice my short post (it was short) at the top of the page, I am here Its just that I don't have time 24/7 to post long posts. Its the weekend so I can do more in depth analysis. I'm still deciding on your 'case'/response to X-Stor. And none of you have answered my question in my last post about Mets' post. Tja, Im out of time right now.

I did I did! *Jumps up and down*

[Rugbirn]

Nark did I hit a nerve (or maybe the truth)? It only makes sense that you and virus are of the same clan. Nobody uses a signature to remind everyone how great they are.

[betiko]

Nark did I hit a nerve (or maybe the truth)? It only makes sense that you and virus are of the same clan. Nobody uses a signature to remind everyone how great they are.

I m starting to wonder if you re doing all these posts on purpose to get aggressive responses!

[Anarkistsdream]

Nark did I hit a nerve (or maybe the truth)? It only makes sense that you and virus are of the same clan. Nobody uses a signature to remind everyone how great they are.

I m starting to wonder if you re doing all these posts on purpose to get aggressive responses!

Has he got any aggressive reaponses?

And what is this talk of same clans? Don't pat yourself on the back, kid, because you haven't accomplished anything... You obviously haven't been on the forums too long if you think no one uses complimebts as their sig... hahahaha... I really do think you are in junior high...

[Rugbirn]

Along with your insults, you can think whatever you want; but that doesn't hide the truth.

[Metsfanmax]

thats a joke right

...obviously.

[betiko]

thats a joke right

...obviously.

unfortunaltely i think not.

[Iron Butterfly]

I want to beleive Anark, but the way he keeps posting virus' "pat on the back" makes me think that they are part of the same scum clan.

Heres the skinny on back patting sigs...It's a good thing you are not playing with Edocsil...mind like a brick and all.
I don't expect the new players to get my in joke.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Warning: Long post!

First. WTF is Rugbirn doing here? Dude, you are a total distraction to this game. Are you even reading what you write? Please get it together...this is the type of play that WILL get you lynched. X-Stor-X is at least aggressive and has a point to his posting...you...not so much.

I agree with all your observations about narks VT claim, however, there is one thing that bothers me. Strike said that he assigned roles in the order of game sign-ups. Nark was actually the second to sign up. I have to wonder if (why) Strike actually assigned a VT (Badger? a minor role) to the second person, especially someone that is a veteran player......Thoughts?

I disagree with pancake and anark. Here is Strike's post: "Role PMs are coming out in order of when you signed up. Please confirm as you get them."
If Anak is badger, (and #2) why couldn't Strike just have distributed the roles in alphabetical order to the order of sign-ups. Wild theory, but something to consider as we find out more about who is who. Virus, you were the first to sign up - who are you?

Hey, just throwing it out there. Don't kill the messanger; said it was a wild theory! And it at least has some logic to it, as opposed to half the messgaes I've read here. Besides, maybe SW knows that role details are not revevant to most of you and decided to throw you a curve?

I want to beleive Anark, but the way he keeps posting virus' "pat on the back" makes me think that they are part of the same scum clan.

Nark did I hit a nerve (or maybe the truth)? It only makes sense that you and virus are of the same clan. Nobody uses a signature to remind everyone how great they are.

Now on to Anarkistsdream...

Unvote vote nark
Seriously, wtf man? What a daft move. There s no vote count but basically, you just softclaim badger, vt just after a vote or 2? You know that if we find a VT we ll have no prob lynching you, a lot to gain and not that much yo lose.
Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

Xstor s case on you was sloppy but what you did in response is extremely scummy!

So you admit that you would rather lynch a VT then keep him around? And you say I look scummy...

As for saying I was badger... That isn't what I did at all... I dropped clues in previous posts, not the one I was replying in...

Haven't people heard the term "badgering the witness?"

Dude...you done screwed up, son! At least wait for a wagon to form, so we get some info...I'm not a fan of what you did here. We might as well go ahead and get your full claim...VOTE Anarkistsdream

A couple points from above ^

1. You quite clearly state that are NOT Badger. I'm sure you'll try to spin this somehow, but your post is pretty clear that you were not "saying I was badger."
2. I did not say I wanted to lynch you. I wanted your full claim. You can't come out with some cracked up VT claim that you breadcrumbed about, and then NOT give the full claim.

well to tell the truth it's the first time I ever hear the expression "to badger", so I guess it's not often used and that he could not have NOT thought of it... after talking about breadcrumbing. If you had written that post, wouldn't you have changed that verb with a synonym in order not to give a wrong clue?
Anyway, badger or combo, it's not very relevant. His "sin" isn't to be badger vs combo, it's to softclaim vt when he had so little pressure on his shoulders.

and to tell the truth I think I missed that part... did he say he got killed by a kid on a bike? I remember tha someone mentioned that sene here in the game, but I don't remember why and who..

Actually, it is very commonly used in my line of work... The term, that is...

Metsfan is the only one thinking all of this through, and for that, I say good on you, brother...

I have a strong suspicion that of the five people voting me, at least two of them will be scum, and, if enough townies are dumb enough to get behind the lynch of a vt, then they will be able to claim ignorance at a later time.

It is at this time that I finally start having reads on people, x-stor. See, before I can make decisions, I jave to give them something to talk/argue about. Just jumping on random people at the beginning doesn't work too well... As it stands, metsfan is most assuredly town, or is 3rd party with the towns best interests at heart.

Rugbirn, I think you are misinterpreting what Strike Wolf said about assigning roles. I also think Rugbirn is townish...

Pancake... It was a gambit on my part, but everyone was so fixated on x-stor that something epic had to be done to get the ball rolling. Another few days of that and we would have ended up having to rush lynch someone.

Now, of the five voting me, x-stor could just be as aggressive as I am, but he has been very overbearing all game, and it is easy to want to lynch the annoying person. TFO and I have not played much together, so I really have few reads on him. Betiko is town, I truly believe... Neb and Jonty both are.... well, the most likely scum on my wagon. They waited for several other votes to build up first, whih protects them from being accused of leading the wagon. They both basically said, we would rather lynch a VT then try to find scum, which is a super smart thing for mafia to do... Kill the VT during the day and look for PR at night... Remember, they know who is scum with them... At least their type of scum if there is a Fring/Cartel division.

Vote Neb

Next post...This is rather nice. It's a rather long one with lots of finger pointing going on...but it's essentially an OMGUS on anyone voting for you. Very nicely veiled, but still an OMGUS. Let's remember, you are the one with the half-claimed VT with a 2 vote pressure on you...You are the one who has been playing oddly quiet, and then suddenly coming up with a half VT claim when two people vote you. There surely could be mafia on your "wagon"...the percentages dictate that possibility...but percentages also dictate that I could name any 5 players and one of them are mafia. Your play was stupid and attracted attention. Votes were warranted. To come back with an OMGUS vote does you no favors.

Also Anark I think a full claim is inevitable from you. It seems you've already seen who has jumped on your wagon, may as well finish off the claim unless I missed it

Excellent catch on MoB...

And of course I am Badger... So, that makes me assume Skinny Pete is out there somewhere, too.

Next post from Anark...so NOW you ARE Badger? WTF...(scrolls back to top) Oh, yah, you said you were not Badger! But now you are...but wait...did you perchance...LIE?

Also, I love how you call what I did a "crime..."

Hahaha. Very subtle

Subtle indeed...I was just hoping for a name claim from you. But after looking at your actions and posts, I can't believe the rest of town is letting you get away with this crap. You can have "gut" feelings all you want about Anark, but he's had plenty of mistakes here. I'm at the point where I will continue to wonder if he is town or faking it, and just pulled the wool over our eyes.

So, I'm going to summarize...

1. Rugbirn is playing like a douche.
2. Anarkistsdream claims VT after two votes.
3. Anarkistsdream lies about his name claim.
4. Anarkistsdream OMGUSs anyone voting him.

My vote stays.

[Rugbirn]

Official Vote Count

Metsfanmax
Anarchist (5)-x-stor, TFO, betiko, Nebuchadnezer, Jonty125
Virus90 (1)-Pancake
Rodion
Pancake
Cooldeals (2)-nebuchadnezer, rugbirn
Mob Deadly
Nagerous
Theforgivenone
iAmCaffeine (1)-Anarkist
Betiko
x-stor-x (2)-Iron Butterfly, Nagerous
nebuchadnezer
Ironbutterfly
Superkeener
Rugbirn
Jonty125
Rishaed

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Tuesday, March 4th in 5 days. Reminder anyone 5+ votes with the most at the end of the day will be lynched. As it stands now Anarkistsdream will be lynched.

As far as inactives. I will check to see who hasn't been posting recently.

Neb, thanks for the support. By the way, which vote are you standing on: Cooldeals, or Anark......douche

[Nebuchadnezer]

Official Vote Count

Metsfanmax
Anarchist (5)-x-stor, TFO, betiko, Nebuchadnezer, Jonty125
Virus90 (1)-Pancake
Rodion
Pancake
Cooldeals (2)-nebuchadnezer, rugbirn
Mob Deadly
Nagerous
Theforgivenone
iAmCaffeine (1)-Anarkist
Betiko
x-stor-x (2)-Iron Butterfly, Nagerous
nebuchadnezer
Ironbutterfly
Superkeener
Rugbirn
Jonty125
Rishaed

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Tuesday, March 4th in 5 days. Reminder anyone 5+ votes with the most at the end of the day will be lynched. As it stands now Anarkistsdream will be lynched.

As far as inactives. I will check to see who hasn't been posting recently.

Neb, thanks for the support. By the way, which vote are you standing on: Cooldeals, or Anark......douche

I'm pretty sure I'm on Anarkistsdream.
and...
I apologize. Douche might have been a bit harsh...got a little high on my horse there...

[Iron Butterfly]

As for not giving my opinion yet on anybody... I usually only badger the new folks... Since you are doing such a fine job of that yourself, why jump in and just confuse the situation?

Is this you softclaiming the role of "Badger"?

Neb correct me if I am wrong but this question by superkeener is the genesis of the weather Anarchist was soft claiming/bread crumbing that he was Badger. Why did you not include it, as it your case takes what he said completely out of context without this exchange? I read it as he was actually using the word badger as an actual verb as was not soft claiming.

Second can you come up with a theory as to why a player such as Anarkist would claim so early when there was absolutely no reason to? Why would mafia faction do so when there was no real case?

Now please explain again how anarchist was lying about claiming Badger when you put Superkeeners question in response to Anarchist.

On the surface your argument almost convinces me...but something about it just does not sit right with me.

[Rugbirn]

I want to beleive Anark, but the way he keeps posting virus' "pat on the back" makes me think that they are part of the same scum clan.

Heres the skinny on back patting sigs...It's a good thing you are not playing with Edocsil...mind like a brick and all.
I don't expect the new players to get my in joke.

IB, (or Skinny Pete), you better watch what you say and how you say it.....In-A-Gadda-Da Vita (Oh my, I'm not suppose to know that - being in high school and all)

[pancakemix]

Pancake... It was a gambit on my part, but everyone was so fixated on x-stor that something epic had to be done to get the ball rolling. Another few days of that and we would have ended up having to rush lynch someone.

True, it did get us off debating whether x-stor was too aggressive. Still don't agree with the tactic, but it's happened now so nothing to be done about the fact itself. That, and I have a hard time believing that that was your plan from the outset. I'm trying to recall if something like this has happened in the past. I feel like it has, but I can't nail it down...

1. You quite clearly state that are NOT Badger. I'm sure you'll try to spin this somehow, but your post is pretty clear that you were not "saying I was badger."

He quite clearly DIDN'T state that. Look again:

As for saying I was badger... That isn't what I did at all... I dropped clues in previous posts, not the one I was replying in...

He's saying he didn't say he was Badger, not that he wasn't Badger. A technicality yes, but it stands. (As for whether the "badgering" comment was a coincidence or a subtle pun, I'm not sure. Seems Nark didn't intend it, but he's a smart fellow)

Next post...This is rather nice. It's a rather long one with lots of finger pointing going on...but it's essentially an OMGUS on anyone voting for you. Very nicely veiled, but still an OMGUS. Let's remember, you are the one with the half-claimed VT with a 2 vote pressure on you...You are the one who has been playing oddly quiet, and then suddenly coming up with a half VT claim when two people vote you. There surely could be mafia on your "wagon"...the percentages dictate that possibility...but percentages also dictate that I could name any 5 players and one of them are mafia. Your play was stupid and attracted attention. Votes were warranted. To come back with an OMGUS vote does you no favors.

Well, take in to account that I now feel it would be far too risky to try to pull a fast one like this D1 as scum and that Badger's decently important enough to end up in a filler role: I appreciate the maneuver. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. That said, Nark wants to turn it around on the people who jumped thinking it was uncouth play, but I'm not sure that works either. You don't smell of someone who got caught in the act here. It's understandable that you'd be against being voted that way, but since your remaining case is largely based on him flip-flopping on claiming Badger, I don't know that it holds water.

[Nebuchadnezer]

As for not giving my opinion yet on anybody... I usually only badger the new folks... Since you are doing such a fine job of that yourself, why jump in and just confuse the situation?

Is this you softclaiming the role of "Badger"?

Neb correct me if I am wrong but this question by superkeener is the genesis of the weather Anarchist was soft claiming/bread crumbing that he was Badger. Why did you not include it, as it your case takes what he said completely out of context without this exchange? I read it as he was actually using the word badger as an actual verb as was not soft claiming.

I didn't include it because Anarkistsdream never responded directly to Superkeener's post. He did respond to Betiko's post. I read his response as..."I am not Badger, I left clues to who I am in other posts...go figure it out." Only after multiple players asking for his full claim, did he finally claim.

Second can you come up with a theory as to why a player such as Anarkist would claim so early when there was absolutely no reason to? Why would mafia faction do so when there was no real case?

No. I can't climb into the mind of Anarkistsdream and figure out what he's thinking. Are you really looking for WIFOM here? Can you explain why a VT would partial claim after two votes and then drag out a full claim?

Now please explain again how anarchist was lying about claiming Badger when you put Superkeeners question in response to Anarchist.

On the surface your argument almost convinces me...but something about it just does not sit right with me.

Again, Anark didn't address Superkeener. He addressed Betiko. I will allow that the sentence can be interpreted in more than one way. You are choosing to interpret it as "I didn't claim Badger in THAT post...I claimed Badger in my OTHER posts." Either way, it was a bit dodgy for him to do that.


fastposted

[rishaed]

As for not giving my opinion yet on anybody... I usually only badger the new folks... Since you are doing such a fine job of that yourself, why jump in and just confuse the situation?

Is this you softclaiming the role of "Badger"?

Neb correct me if I am wrong but this question by superkeener is the genesis of the weather Anarchist was soft claiming/bread crumbing that he was Badger. Why did you not include it, as it your case takes what he said completely out of context without this exchange? I read it as he was actually using the word badger as an actual verb as was not soft claiming.

I didn't include it because Anarkistsdream never responded directly to Superkeener's post. He did respond to Betiko's post. I read his response as..."I am not Badger, I left clues to who I am in other posts...go figure it out." Only after multiple players asking for his full claim, did he finally claim.

Second can you come up with a theory as to why a player such as Anarkist would claim so early when there was absolutely no reason to? Why would mafia faction do so when there was no real case?

No. I can't climb into the mind of Anarkistsdream and figure out what he's thinking. Are you really looking for WIFOM here? Can you explain why a VT would partial claim after two votes and then drag out a full claim?

Now please explain again how anarchist was lying about claiming Badger when you put Superkeeners question in response to Anarchist.

On the surface your argument almost convinces me...but something about it just does not sit right with me.

Again, Anark didn't address Superkeener. He addressed Betiko. I will allow that the sentence can be interpreted in more than one way. You are choosing to interpret it as "I didn't claim Badger in THAT post...I claimed Badger in my OTHER posts." Either way, it was a bit dodgy for him to do that.


fastposted

This is indeed a more thorough case, however a few things.
First off, let me say that I agree with PCM's take on this.
For Example the two Sentences:
He was playing like a douche.
vs.
He is a douche.
The two have two entirely different meanings!
The first is using a similie to describe the PLAYSTYLE, the second is used to describe a person.
Now for those unfamiliar with English, these might seem like the same things, but they aren't. For that reason it is also reasonable that some of us took his statement literally, and when he claimed, didn't view it as an inconsistency. Sure, he shoehorned around Betiko's question of who he was initially by saying I wasn't claiming that with that phrase, but he didn't lie.
I'm not defending him, just remarking on how the grammer can change the meaning of the entire sentence. More later today, I have Z's calling my name.