The Whitechapel Murderer- GAME OVER - TOWN WON

[benga]

you are at least true about me

sorry for not being here, just had clan wars and tournaments to setup

[DoomYoshi]

Anarkistsdream,

Could I request that you put the countdown on hold for a few days? I think we're going to get into some good discussion soon...

I doubt it. I've said what I have to say. You and mets having a slapping match just isn't all that interesting.

[strike wolf]

I don't really like Neb attacking Mets for Ga7's inactivity implications but I like Mets trying to force the letter issue into a lynch issue even less.

[Anarkistsdream]

Anarkistsdream,

Could I request that you put the countdown on hold for a few days? I think we're going to get into some good discussion soon...

I doubt it. I've said what I have to say. You and mets having a slapping match just isn't all that interesting.

i will skip until tomorrow... but I have seen zero discussion on the topic since that post... sooooooooooo

[Nebuchadnezer]

Anarkistsdream,

Could I request that you put the countdown on hold for a few days? I think we're going to get into some good discussion soon...

I doubt it. I've said what I have to say. You and mets having a slapping match just isn't all that interesting.

i will skip until tomorrow... but I have seen zero discussion on the topic since that post... sooooooooooo

Ya...I thought more would come up...move on. Or at least more conversation.

[Metsfanmax]

I don't really like Neb attacking Mets for Ga7's inactivity implications but I like Mets trying to force the letter issue into a lynch issue even less.

I just don't know what else to do with the letter. I was annoyed that the discussion on it had stopped.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Anarkistsdream,

Could I request that you put the countdown on hold for a few days? I think we're going to get into some good discussion soon...

I doubt it. I've said what I have to say. You and mets having a slapping match just isn't all that interesting.

Great. Nice work today town. Let's just go to night...
UNVOTE

This has been a frustrating day.

[nagerous]

Sorry for recent lack of activity unfortunately I have a lot of commitments on at the moment meaning I never have internet access at weekends, just enough to take my turns very quickly

[strike wolf]

Vote Metsfanmax

Reasons: This thread needs something to go on. I don't feel his case is super strong but out of the cases, I like it better than going after Neb on a hunch about the letter and if we assume that the letter is sent by Jack which seems a likely scenario than it is very possible that he wants us to target Neb on reasons that are more likely not good for town. Mets does suggest that Jack sent the letter but suggests a different reason for the letter that would not be malevolent while possible it is the option that I find less likely to be true and it brings up the option that even if it is not malevolent there is a chance that Jack would back a Neb lynch based on what he wants or knows. Therefore, I am voting Mets.

[strike wolf]

Ebwop

Vote Metsfanmax

Reasons: This thread needs something to go on. I don't feel his case is super strong but out of the cases, I like it better than going after Neb on a hunch about the letter and if we assume that the letter is sent by Jack which seems a likely scenario than it is very possible that he wants us to target Neb on reasons that are more likely not good for town. Mets does suggest that Jack could have sent the letter but suggests a different reason for the letter that would not be malevolent while possible it is the option that I find less likely to be true and it brings up the option that even if it is not malevolent there is a chance that Jack would back a Neb lynch based on what he wants or knows. Therefore, I am voting Mets.

[safariguy5]

Although this isn't a vote, it sounds pretty close to an OMGUS by recommending lynching the guy who just voted you... and if you think he should be lynched why didn't you vote him, other than it would have been an obvious OMGUS vote? I hate to do it after you just joined, but neb's suggestion combined with your OMGUS-like post will cause me to vote metsfanmax

I think there is some merit to trying to pin down the source of the note. I hardly think it's OMGUS as neb has been brought up before as somehow being connected and lynching him has also been brought up before as well. I think this is an attempt at bandwagonning.

vote hotshot

[virus90]

ok, my post did not get the reactions i hoped for, so i will vote one of my 3 leads:
vote flores

[benga]

is flores still here?

is she just laying low?

oh just saw Feb 26th, '14, 15:15

is there replacement for flores?

is it good idea to at least good idea to lynch her so we move on with the night, esp if there isn't any replacement?

maybe Nebs mentioning in the night scene is just there for confusing us?

but maybe with his claim we could see what could have it meant?

something I found Leather Apron

The Star’s campaign to alert the populace to the noiseless menace in their midst had two effects. Firstly, John Pizer learnt of the police’s suspicions through it, and the prospect of his falling victim to a baying mob, now that he was public enemy number one, so terrified him that he promptly went into hiding amongst his relatives.

The leather apron was synonymous with workers amongst the the Jewish immigrants that had been flooding in to the area throughout the 1880's fleeing persecution in Eastern Europe and Russia.

The Star’s articles also emphasised the suspect’s Hebrew appearance and this in turn fed a growing belief amongst the gentile population that no Englishman could be capable of such brutal and gruesome crimes. Thus anti-Semitism, which had been gaining momentum in the area for several years, showed a dramatic increase and the police became suddenly alarmed that the press speculation concerning the murderer’s ethnic origin might easily erupt into full scale anti-Jewish rioting.

A day later their worst fears in this respect were almost realised when another woman was found brutally murdered and a freshly washed Leather Apron was discovered lying close to her body.

Dear Boss,
I keep on hearing the police have caught me but they wont fix me just yet. I have laughed when they look so clever and talk about being on the right track. That joke about Leather Apron gave me real fits

Elizabeth Stride and Catherine Eddowes who were both murdered in the early hours of the 30th September 1888, the so-called night of the double murder or, as the press at the time dubbed it, the "double event."

from this last quote it seems we might be having double kill on N2???

[benga]

Although this isn't a vote, it sounds pretty close to an OMGUS by recommending lynching the guy who just voted you... and if you think he should be lynched why didn't you vote him, other than it would have been an obvious OMGUS vote? I hate to do it after you just joined, but neb's suggestion combined with your OMGUS-like post will cause me to vote metsfanmax

I think there is some merit to trying to pin down the source of the note. I hardly think it's OMGUS as neb has been brought up before as somehow being connected and lynching him has also been brought up before as well. I think this is an attempt at bandwagonning.

vote hotshot

since I have been re-reading the whole day 2, this was something that jumped in my eyes too

[Anarkistsdream]

And my power is finally back on! Vote count and update and stuff to come in the next hour or so!!

[DoomYoshi]

Although this isn't a vote, it sounds pretty close to an OMGUS by recommending lynching the guy who just voted you... and if you think he should be lynched why didn't you vote him, other than it would have been an obvious OMGUS vote? I hate to do it after you just joined, but neb's suggestion combined with your OMGUS-like post will cause me to vote metsfanmax

I think there is some merit to trying to pin down the source of the note. I hardly think it's OMGUS as neb has been brought up before as somehow being connected and lynching him has also been brought up before as well. I think this is an attempt at bandwagonning.

vote hotshot

Going after an easy target, saf.

ok, my post did not get the reactions i hoped for, so i will vote one of my 3 leads:
vote flores

Right now you are voting for an inactive. Here's a theory question (there is no right answer):
if you have 3 leads, and one of them is inactive, which vote is the most productive?

The way I figure, the inactive lead is only "most productive" if you are mafia.
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So if we kill mets and he is town, will he replace flores? He came in here like a bat out of hell, doesn't seem like a scum move.

[Anarkistsdream]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
Nagerous (1) - DoomYoshi
Metsfanmax (2) - Hotshot53, Strike Wolf
Hotshot53 (1) - Safariguy5
Flores (1) - Virus90

We are now at FOUR (4) to lynch!

It will drop by one each day around my lunchtime...

[nagerous]

Or maybe he missed his action.

Who on the list of players is most likely to miss an action?

Who is most likely to have been roleblocked?

I suppose neb answered that, but to be honest I didnt have a list prepared. Was throwing the thoughts I could at the time out.

Well I agree with your reasoning. It may not be helpful to play WIFOM-WIFOM guessy pants... but it's all we have for now. So go through the names and think. The problem I am having is the whole factional thing. We can't rule out a third-party Jack. Which means there may still be a "typical" mafia. Which means it may have been a mafia roleblocker blocking Jack and some other mechanism for town. To simplify the possibilities in my head, I am discounting that opinion. The simplest solution is that Jack targeted whoever saf tried to save, not because he tried to save him, but because an SK will try to go for a less obvious kill to avoid crosskills. In this assumptory universe a town roleblocker blocked a mafia kill. Since there have been no outings and I am the only one voting today (unvote, btw) I am thinking town roleblock is unlikely. Forgotten action may be the next course of action.

However, @ the hypothetical town roleblocker of dubious existence: you can play NK nights like a cop and subtley vote for whoever you blocked. However, in this vote thrifty town, such a move would probably have ousted you, so I don't blame you for laying low.

virus: what happened to your strike case?

vote nag

for being lazy and trying to trade a town PR for a minimal chance clue.

Hardly, I think what I posted was very sensible and is actually a very viable option, something which you also appeared to follow up on???? I guess you're just OMGUSing me because I voted you on day one right when I thought you were scummy? Didn't realise you weren't actually scummy it was just your crap style of play.

Flores and ga7 would need to be replaced if they are not posting, I am not convinced Nark would just stand there and not let his main character submit a night action, that's why the roleblocker theory made sense to me... it was treated with silence which is fine but it definitely a theory worth prodding.


I am going to vote virus though for playing the 'helpful townie' with his list of suspects when in fact he just seems to get a pro town vibe from everyone apart from those who are inactive/not around to defend themselves - seems a little calculated to me

[benga]

Official Vote Count
Doomyoshi (1)-Ga7
Floresdelmal (2)-Benga, DoomYoshi
Metsfanmax (2)-Neb, FloresdelMal
Strike Wolf (1) - Virus90
Safariguy5 (1) - kratos644

Alright, it has officially dropped to SEVEN (7) to lynch!

It will drop to SIX (6) in around 24 hours...

Where is Leather Apron? Who is a killer? Who is investigating whom? How many policemen are there? Is Moriarty in the game?

The answers to these and other questions will be revealed as more time progresses! So hold your horses!

Well, not only are we losing momentum here, but we seem to be scattered and time is running out. Right now the choices seem to be Flores or Mets...although Hotshot was FOS'd by a few people, but not voted. I guess we head to the night with what we have, unless someone not voting wants to get behind one of the cases.

With the countdown, we're going to have a lynching whether or not there is a consensus, unless some people vote no lynch or something.

Although Mets and Flores have had suspicions put on them, I'm not convinced enough to vote either of them. At least they are being active anyway...

For day 1, I would prefer to lynch or force active a scummarizer/disapearing member. I think ga7 has posted about the least, and not recently, so I will vote ga7

Great! Split up our votes a little more! At this point, you know there is no chance of a GA7 lynch, yet you vote him anyway. This coupled with all the previous suspicious actions leaves me to believe you actually are scum. I'm not going to vote you now, because there is no way we can swing enough votes your way in the short time remaining, and I am still on the metsfanmax case.

FOS Hotshot This is like the third FOS on you. I'm not sure how you are escaping any votes at this point...

HOT has been attempting BW from the start of game, pretty much every vote was going in that direction

vote hot

[DoomYoshi]

I guess you're just OMGUSing me because I voted you on day one right when I thought you were scummy? Didn't realise you weren't actually scummy it was just your crap style of play.

Wut?

[HotShot53]

HOT has been attempting BW from the start of game, pretty much every vote was going in that direction

vote hot

By your apparent definition of casting the second vote on someone as "bandwagoning", welcome to the party, you are now joining the bandwagon against me.

If you actually look at my previous votes - I voted for ga7 because of inactivity/potential scummarizing because there was no better case going at the time... it was the first vote on them, and it caused some activity by ga7, so I withdrew the vote. I then voted for you because you disappeared in this game although active in other games, very scummarizing looking behavior to me. I was the first vote there too, so not exactly a bandwagon. (since you've only posted one slightly meaningful post between then and today, does that make your vote on me an OMGUS vote?) . During the runoff, I saw there wasn't enough support to lynch you, so I switched to the next-best alternative to me, another inactive/scummarizing player. Unfortunately, he was just inactive and not scummarizing apparently. And now, I put the second vote on metsfanmax because at least there was a slight case on him, and his response made him sound more scummy than less, so I wanted to do something with the day before the countdown got too low.

So.... where exactly are all those bandwagons I've supposedly been joining?

[HotShot53]

EBWOP Sorry.... I got this game and the other mafia game mixed up, confusing sometimes having the same people in multiple games lol. I looked better at my votes in this game and re-did the post below

HOT has been attempting BW from the start of game, pretty much every vote was going in that direction

vote hot

By your apparent definition of casting the second vote on someone as "bandwagoning", welcome to the party, you are now joining the bandwagon against me.

If you actually look at my previous votes - I voted for DY because his posts sounded a bit scummy at the time. I was the first real vote on him, GA7's vote was a joke vote that he hadn't removed yet. Not exactly a bandwagon. I voted for ga7 because of inactivity/potential scummarizing because there was no better case going at the time... it was the first vote on him, and it caused some activity by ga7, so I withdrew the vote. I voted for saf because his soft claim was very suspicious, he admitted that some people would probably find him scummy if he was researched. So we needed a full claim from him then, or else he would basically become almost unlynchable because if a cop investigated he'd have his out of "I already told you cops would mistakenly find me scummy" And now, I put the second vote on metsfanmax because at least there was a slight case on him, and his response made him sound more scummy rather than less, and I wanted to do something with the day before the countdown got too low where 2-3 votes will lynch someone with very little information being obtained. So twice I've voted for someone who already has a real vote on them, and for (what I believe) are more than solid reasons. Much better reasons than your bandwagoning vote on me anyway lol

[gregwolf121]

okay, sorry, college isn't playing fair right now, but with the number of votes needed to lynch down to four and several people being pretty close to being lynched we need to slow down a mite, and decide, do we want those closest to being lynched to claim? the closest right now, if i read it right are mets, and hotshot,

[nagerous]

HOT has been attempting BW from the start of game, pretty much every vote was going in that direction

vote hot

By your apparent definition of casting the second vote on someone as "bandwagoning", welcome to the party, you are now joining the bandwagon against me.

If you actually look at my previous votes - I voted for ga7 because of inactivity/potential scummarizing because there was no better case going at the time... it was the first vote on them, and it caused some activity by ga7, so I withdrew the vote. I then voted for you because you disappeared in this game although active in other games, very scummarizing looking behavior to me. I was the first vote there too, so not exactly a bandwagon. (since you've only posted one slightly meaningful post between then and today, does that make your vote on me an OMGUS vote?) . During the runoff, I saw there wasn't enough support to lynch you, so I switched to the next-best alternative to me, another inactive/scummarizing player. Unfortunately, he was just inactive and not scummarizing apparently. And now, I put the second vote on metsfanmax because at least there was a slight case on him, and his response made him sound more scummy than less, so I wanted to do something with the day before the countdown got too low.

So.... where exactly are all those bandwagons I've supposedly been joining?

So your strategy is just to go for inactive players because they must be scummy/scummarining,

ergo all inactive players are scummy all active players must be pro-town?

How about some originality of argument/thought?

[HotShot53]

So your strategy is just to go for inactive players because they must be scummy/scummarining,

ergo all inactive players are scummy all active players must be pro-town?

How about some originality of argument/thought?

I EBWOP that post since I mixed up games at first. After looking at it, 3 out of my 4 votes in this game were for cases, only one was an inactive/scummarizer because nothing better was going on then.

I will vote on a case if there seems to be one, but if there isn't any I will generally go for a scummarizer rather than an extremely weak case.