The Whitechapel Murderer- GAME OVER - TOWN WON

[Nebuchadnezer]

This is frustrating...nothing like waiting until 4 votes needed to start casting votes...silly...just silly.

There are two players at L-2. Both of them will say they should not have to claim because of two votes, and I can't blame them...but they should probably do something to save their skins.

Either way, this day is botched. Let's try to put a better effort in tomorrow...

[strike wolf]

It's frustrating. I mean we got discussion up a little bit today but still ended up chasing our tails a little bit. I am not really for or against the hotshot case. I'd really have to carefully reread how he's played this game as he's still too new for me to have developed any kind of town or scum reads for him. I still lean to the Mets case but I don't really have more than what I have already posted to go on without bringing more into what Ga7 did which becomes a bit unfair to the player replacing as they have little ability to answer any questions relating to the former character's motivation or why/when/how inactivity may have affected night actions (ultimately I do think I agree with Nag that it is a bit unrealistic to assume that Nark simply let Jack not send in an action unless there was some other kind of scenario involved). The only problem with the role blocker theory is a. no one has stepped forward to take credit for roleblocking ______ and b. even if someone did there'd still be a lot of WIFom behind it. It's a possibility but nothing solid.

[HotShot53]

To avoid going to L-1 and risk getting quick lynched by scum after claiming, or getting accidentally lynched before claiming, I have to claim now.

I am the great Sherlock Holmes. I am a mason with Dr. Watson, who is a Doctor and will protect me tonight. So if anyone else has protections I don't need them, especially from the probably insane/ineffective doctor (no offense safari lol)

In my role I was told that other investigators will get some incorrect results, and that only my investigations will be 100% accurate (Sherlock is never wrong of course)

My investigation last night was on Kratos, he was cleared as town.

[Nebuchadnezer]

To avoid going to L-1 and risk getting quick lynched by scum after claiming, or getting accidentally lynched before claiming, I have to claim now.

I am the great Sherlock Holmes. I am a mason with Dr. Watson, who is a Doctor and will protect me tonight. So if anyone else has protections I don't need them, especially from the probably insane/ineffective doctor (no offense safari lol)

In my role I was told that other investigators will get some incorrect results, and that only my investigations will be 100% accurate (Sherlock is never wrong of course)

My investigation last night was on Kratos, he was cleared as town.

Haha...stuff's getting interesting now!

Are you sure you got a result on Kratos?

I don't think I'm voting, but UNVOTE just in case. i think we should keep Holmes alive...

[DoomYoshi]

Wow. 8 players claimed or cleared with 1 death on day 2. I don't think I have ever seen that.

[strike wolf]

8? Don't we only have 4 claimed?

[HotShot53]

Are you sure you got a result on Kratos?

I don't think I'm voting, but UNVOTE just in case. i think we should keep Holmes alive...

Remember, Holmes is also a master of disguises... and is working with an associate, the Doctor. So what is seen is not always what happened.

Kratos was the one investigated.

Maybe per the jack note, you found out something last night that would give us a better clue of who to focus on during this short amount of time left?

[DoomYoshi]

8? Don't we only have 4 claimed?

I am clearing players based on claims and softclaims.

[Nebuchadnezer]

8? Don't we only have 4 claimed?

I am clearing players based on claims and softclaims.

Could you share that list with us? It would be very helpful for me, as I'm in three games and can't keep them straight...

[DoomYoshi]

8? Don't we only have 4 claimed?

I am clearing players based on claims and softclaims.

Could you share that list with us? It would be very helpful for me, as I'm in three games and can't keep them straight...

Not a chance.

[safariguy5]

unvote

Can't lynch Sherlock, was hoping you'd investigate me, but I suppose it's good that you went with someone else.

So your strategy is just to go for inactive players because they must be scummy/scummarining,

ergo all inactive players are scummy all active players must be pro-town?

How about some originality of argument/thought?

I EBWOP that post since I mixed up games at first. After looking at it, 3 out of my 4 votes in this game were for cases, only one was an inactive/scummarizer because nothing better was going on then.

I will vote on a case if there seems to be one, but if there isn't any I will generally go for a scummarizer rather than an extremely weak case.

Just want to point out that advancing a case of your own is preferable to just following the leader, especially if you see something.

[strike wolf]

8? Don't we only have 4 claimed?

I am clearing players based on claims and softclaims.

I don't go with soft claims unless it's overtly obvious. Too easy to misread.

8? Don't we only have 4 claimed?

I am clearing players based on claims and softclaims.

Could you share that list with us? It would be very helpful for me, as I'm in three games and can't keep them straight...

And this sounds more than a bit like role fishing. Strong FOS Neb

[nagerous]

Mets is now L-1 if the vote count has dropped as Anarkists has indicated.

We have around 24 hours before it is dropped again and he is lynched?

Probably wise to claim, to give people the opportunity to unvote and create a new case in what minimal time we have left.

Is there any news on a Flores replacement?

[Metsfanmax]

Mets is now L-1 if the vote count has dropped as Anarkists has indicated.

We have around 24 hours before it is dropped again and he is lynched?

Probably wise to claim, to give people the opportunity to unvote and create a new case in what minimal time we have left.

It's kind of bullshit, no one should be getting lynched on two or three votes when there are 14 people alive. (FYI: as I have pointed out multiple times, the vote count doesn't offically drop until Anarkists posts that it does, so I am at L-2 right now.) Now suppose one of the two people unvotes and there are multiple people with one vote. What would happen then? We can't all be lynched.

[HotShot53]

Mets is now L-1 if the vote count has dropped as Anarkists has indicated.

We have around 24 hours before it is dropped again and he is lynched?

Probably wise to claim, to give people the opportunity to unvote and create a new case in what minimal time we have left.

It's kind of bullshit, no one should be getting lynched on two or three votes when there are 14 people alive. (FYI: as I have pointed out multiple times, the vote count doesn't offically drop until Anarkists posts that it does, so I am at L-2 right now.) Now suppose one of the two people unvotes and there are multiple people with one vote. What would happen then? We can't all be lynched.

I agree it's hard when the lynch amount is so low, but without it nothing would happen. I claimed because I didn't want to drop to L-1 and risk getting quick-lynched, or accidentally lynched. I would recommend you do the same, so you don't get lynched without claiming like already happened to you this game lol.

[Metsfanmax]

Mets is now L-1 if the vote count has dropped as Anarkists has indicated.

We have around 24 hours before it is dropped again and he is lynched?

Probably wise to claim, to give people the opportunity to unvote and create a new case in what minimal time we have left.

It's kind of bullshit, no one should be getting lynched on two or three votes when there are 14 people alive. (FYI: as I have pointed out multiple times, the vote count doesn't offically drop until Anarkists posts that it does, so I am at L-2 right now.) Now suppose one of the two people unvotes and there are multiple people with one vote. What would happen then? We can't all be lynched.

I agree it's hard when the lynch amount is so low, but without it nothing would happen. I claimed because I didn't want to drop to L-1 and risk getting quick-lynched, or accidentally lynched. I would recommend you do the same, so you don't get lynched without claiming like already happened to you this game lol.

Are you town? If not, what is your win condition?

[HotShot53]

Are you town? If not, what is your win condition?

Yes, I am town

[Metsfanmax]

Are you town? If not, what is your win condition?

Yes, I am town

I asked because I wanted to understand your claim. If you are town, even if you are Sherlock Holmes, wouldn't it have been worth it to risk a quick-lynch if that meant getting scum?

[Metsfanmax]

Anyway, I protest the idea of anyone getting lynched on two votes, so I am going to vote virus purely so that we're even. This is not the right way to force claims or discussion.

[HotShot53]

Are you town? If not, what is your win condition?

Yes, I am town

I asked because I wanted to understand your claim. If you are town, even if you are Sherlock Holmes, wouldn't it have been worth it to risk a quick-lynch if that meant getting scum?

Being as I am the only one who is 100% accurate in investigating people... no, I don't think it's worth getting lynched in exchange for finding a scum. If you feel it is worth being lynched for, you're welcome to try it out.

[HotShot53]

Anyway, I protest the idea of anyone getting lynched on two votes, so I am going to vote virus purely so that we're even. This is not the right way to force claims or discussion.

This is the system this game has... complaining about it isn't going to change it for this game. Don't join a game with this mechanic next time if you don't like it. Your refusal to claim isn't helping your case any, so I see no reason to remove my vote from you.

Also, I would strongly recommend against lynching virus.

[DoomYoshi]

Anyway, I protest the idea of anyone getting lynched on two votes, so I am going to vote virus purely so that we're even. This is not the right way to force claims or discussion.

This is the system this game has... complaining about it isn't going to change it for this game. Don't join a game with this mechanic next time if you don't like it. Your refusal to claim isn't helping your case any, so I see no reason to remove my vote from you.

Also, I would strongly recommend against lynching virus.

As would I. He's on my clear list.

vote no lynch

[strike wolf]

You can argue it's a shitty way to be lynched, I don't really disagree and I think that falls partly on us (me included) for letting it get to this point. However, it is the system and you agreed not only to join the game but also replace back into the game when you knew it was the system. Refusing to claim only hurts yourself and town if you are town and it only hurts yourself if you are scum/3rd party so yeah honestly, you aren't doing yourself any favors right now. Furthermore, trying to shift the focus back onto Hotshot and/or virus while avoiding your own dilemma only makes you look scummier.

[Metsfanmax]

You can argue it's a shitty way to be lynched, I don't really disagree and I think that falls partly on us (me included) for letting it get to this point. However, it is the system and you agreed not only to join the game but also replace back into the game when you knew it was the system. Refusing to claim only hurts yourself and town if you are town and it only hurts yourself if you are scum/3rd party so yeah honestly, you aren't doing yourself any favors right now. Furthermore, trying to shift the focus back onto Hotshot and/or virus while avoiding your own dilemma only makes you look scummier.

Yes, and I am free to act within the system as I think is best. Since forcing a tie is allowed, I will do so. I have no desire to shift the focus onto virus or hotshot. I am merely ensuring that we end the day with no lynch, since I would prefer no lynch to a lynch on two votes. I would switch my vote to No Lynch right now, if I was certain that it would be accepted as a tie (but I'm not).

[Metsfanmax]

Are you town? If not, what is your win condition?

Yes, I am town

I asked because I wanted to understand your claim. If you are town, even if you are Sherlock Holmes, wouldn't it have been worth it to risk a quick-lynch if that meant getting scum?

Being as I am the only one who is 100% accurate in investigating people... no, I don't think it's worth getting lynched in exchange for finding a scum. If you feel it is worth being lynched for, you're welcome to try it out.

As it stands, anyone with one vote is risking it, whether they like it or not.