[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[iAmCaffeine]

4 - Caffeine - what do you mean by 2 reports? Did 2 people visit your target (because I call that 1 report only) or does your watcher function differently?

Fastposted by everyone post-Caff's claim.

I suppose I worded that badly. It was one report, both people visited X-Stor-X. I have no further information than that.

Regarding doubts to my claim, I was partly surprised by my role name as well and I had to double check who he was, although after seeing his face I knew straight away.

[StorrZerg]

kinda depends on if tfo or rugbirn wanna deny visiting me

[virus90]

rugbirn now believes iamcaffeine. is that because you visited xstorx rugbirn?

[superkeener]

Regarding doubts to my claim, I was partly surprised by my role name as well and I had to double check who he was, although after seeing his face I knew straight away.

Here is a list of characters that I believe to have the highest chance of being in this game. I am not saying they are all in this, in fact they all can't be based on 18 players, but it just doesn't fit.

show: Possible Characters

[StorrZerg]

caff you say you have a town read on me now. tell me why you watched me, and how that changed your opinion/ impacted the read on me

[Rugbirn]

Yes, I did; and IAM would not know that unless he is telling the truth, and obviously X-Stor is still alive. Now what does TFO have to say about it?

[Rugbirn]

Virus, think about it. Why would IAM claim a role that no one is that familiar with unless it is true. Like he said he even had to look him up. Besides what difference does the role "name" make as long as the role personality is the same i.e. DEA. This is just a curveball from Strike.

[Rodion]

No problem, I understood the situation after reading your report (as I said, I was fastposted).

We can proceed on the assumption that TFO is confirming Caff's report (whether he visited Caff with his standard action or with his meth action remains to be seen). If he wishes to deny it, he can do it in his next post, but I doubt he will now that Rugbirn confirmed it. Caffeine is confirmed as a watcher (99.99%, with the 0.01% being a scum trio of Caffeine, Rugbirn and TFO), with his alignment still unconfirmed. Either way, he lives (even if he is mafia, we can extract results from him).

Something for the backburner: keep in mind there is a decent chance a mafia framer (should there be one) would have targeted Stor (should he be non-mafia).

Keener, Vanco is in the game either as a character or a fakeclaim (the other - unlikely - option being Caffeine deciding to create his own fake instead of trusting Strike). As I said earlier on D1, we shouldn't try to game that setup by deciding which characters are more likely real or fake.

[superkeener]

Keener, Vanco is in the game either as a character or a fakeclaim (the other - unlikely - option being Caffeine deciding to create his own fake instead of trusting Strike). As I said earlier on D1, we shouldn't try to game that setup by deciding which characters are more likely real or fake.

True. But I will wait on TFO to make a statement before I remove my vote.

[Rugbirn]

Rodian, I believe you have it figured out and going further, I believe that TFO visited X-Stor as part of his standard action, as X-Stor has NOT mentioned being methed as the others have.

[StorrZerg]

Correct I have not

[virus90]

@ rodion
my vote never was on caffeine to begin with, when i posted my comment doubting him i got fastposted several times. i was only reacting to caffs claim. which without the confirmation of rugbirn, was not that strong.
actually it would not have to be a maffia trio for it to not be true.
i am not saying i believe it is the case, but a watcher does not have to be town. For maffia to watch xstorx would make sense since i would expect he attracted some attention day 1 from town powerroles so there could be a doc or cop coming in to watch him. with 3 people apparently selecting xstorx that kind of proves my point. And it would not surprise me if one of the 3 is a mafia watcher.
or can watcher not be seen by other watchers?

[cooldeals]

@ rodion
my vote never was on caffeine to begin with, when i posted my comment doubting him i got fastposted several times. i was only reacting to caffs claim. which without the confirmation of rugbirn, was not that strong.
actually it would not have to be a maffia trio for it to not be true.
i am not saying i believe it is the case, but a watcher does not have to be town. For maffia to watch xstorx would make sense since i would expect he attracted some attention day 1 from town powerroles so there could be a doc or cop coming in to watch him. with 3 people apparently selecting xstorx that kind of proves my point. And it would not surprise me if one of the 3 is a mafia watcher.
or can watcher not be seen by other watchers?

Can you elaborate on a watcher not having to be town. I've never seen a watcher not be town?

[TheForgivenOne]

Yes, I visited x-stor-x with my random night action I earned from losing my vote (Which was ironically a watch!). IAmCaffeine and rugbirn visited x-stor-x. He's telling the truth.

[StorrZerg]

Lolol

[rishaed]

@ rodion

or can watcher not be seen by other watchers?

Of course Watchers can be seen by other watchers.
That being said I still think we have a PR giver (post restriction) that gave a post restriction to Jonty, and I still don't like the WIFOM posts from cooldeals.
If we also have a gifter in the game, I would wager he was 3rd party. Caff's claim is good right now, and useful, and we need a second claim on the board. Secondly, we have 4/5 days left in this day so any pressure will have to be done quickly.
fp'd

[StorrZerg]

So tfo you cannot vote today?

[jonty125]

So tfo you cannot vote today?

I'm fairly sure TFO made this clear earlier.

[TheForgivenOne]

So tfo you cannot vote today?

Nope. Also, the reason I watched you, is that i've seen mafia in the past target players trying to lead town.

[Rodion]

@ rodion
my vote never was on caffeine to begin with, when i posted my comment doubting him i got fastposted several times. i was only reacting to caffs claim. which without the confirmation of rugbirn, was not that strong

Not sure why you're telling me that. I didn't call you out on that.

actually it would not have to be a maffia trio for it to not be true.
i am not saying i believe it is the case, but a watcher does not have to be town. For maffia to watch xstorx would make sense since i would expect he attracted some attention day 1 from town powerroles so there could be a doc or cop coming in to watch him. with 3 people apparently selecting xstorx that kind of proves my point. And it would not surprise me if one of the 3 is a mafia watcher.
or can watcher not be seen by other watchers?

Watcher can be mafia, yes. My point in not lynching him is that he is under our command (I mean, he's accountable), even if he is mafia. Assume, for instance, our cop claims. We'll either have the cop "protected" by the mafia watcher or we'll have the mafia watcher exposed once he refuses to name his scumbuddy (or lies about it) OR he'll name his scumbuddy and we'll be 1 lynch closer to winning.

[cooldeals]

Don't Skim this post.

Ok I think I need to come out and say this. I've been holding this back to gauge people's reactions today and to get 1 scum fake claim out of the way. When iAmCaffeine claimed watcher with results I didn't know what to think because in my 7-8 games or so I've never seen a scum watcher. It appears this is possible though so I feel I need to claim.

I am Hank Schrader and I am the town cop. Last night I investigated iAmCaffeine and I got a result of Mafia.

vote iAmCaffeine

[StorrZerg]

result was "mafia"

result was not "anti town"


i ask because i'm a little interested to know if your result was exactly "mafia"

[cooldeals]

it was exactly "mafia" in color.

[cooldeals]

EBWOP

it was exactly "Mafia" in color.

[StorrZerg]

cool beans. So cool deals do you think IAC lied about his night action?

seems like it was confirmed by 2 other people. Given that, does this lead you to anything?

IMO if IAC does flip scum, makes no sense for 1 scum team to use all their powers on myself. I would go on to say that IAC is not connected to TFO or Rugbirn. Would that make sense to you?