[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

by **betiko** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:43 am

hum, just had a look on youtube:

Gus was the one killing don eladio through poisoning. I think that mafia is gus all by himself (mafia godfather) and that he poisonned mets last night. the cartel most probably killed hank then? and some unknown guy killed don eladio? possibly walt as town vig?

by **betiko** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:23 am

X-Stor-X wrote:ggs town gl

huh by the way, wtf was that? why is extor posting thisas if he were outof the game, havei missed something? also he posted other stuff elsewhere and haven't said anything yet, that is sooo not his meta. does he think he's dead or what??? this is weird.

by **virus90** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:35 am

quote from the scene:

He never noticed as the poison tablet had been slipped into one of the glasses. As he began to feel sick, he staggered to the bathroom but only made it half way at first. Thinking he had just stumbled a party goer went to pick him up but backed up when they saw the dead look in his eyes.

so betiko i guess you are missing something indeed..
or i am missing something

by **betiko** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:55 am

virus90 wrote:quote from the scene:

He never noticed as the poison tablet had been slipped into one of the glasses. As he began to feel sick, he staggered to the bathroom but only made it half way at first. Thinking he had just stumbled a party goer went to pick him up but backed up when they saw the dead look in his eyes.

so betiko i guess you are missing something indeed..
or i am missing something

well i don't understand where you're going there so you might as well want to explain your thoughts. the flavour does makes me think that gus is the poisoner...

unless..... walt with ricine? is that what you mean?

by **virus90** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:05 am

well i had the feeling you thought that xstorx was alive. i simply pointed out that he was dead in my opinion. didnt speculate on how, dont know how you got that out of my post. but probably just all miscommunication

by **betiko** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:11 am

virus90 wrote:well i had the feeling you thought that xstorx was alive. i simply pointed out that he was dead in my opinion. didnt speculate on how, dont know how you got that out of my post. but probably just all miscommunication

ohhhhhhhhhhh damn!!!! lol I'm an idiot. I should ve read more carefully. I thought that mets was killed and that he was walt Jr...... :oops:

lol so I missread all 3 death; didn't notice at first hank was third party, walt jr was xstor and not mets, and didn't notice that superkeener had the wrong red! :lol:

by **betiko** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:16 am

ok I get it now... so if he was so eagerly going after super, it's because he most likely tracked him night 1 and he saw that super had visited one of the night 1 targets. The whole caff case was quite big and he was barely interested in it. I'll have to reread day 2 a bit when I have time.
Given the timings, not sure he knew much more about greg than just tells ans suspicions, but I'm still liking this case to start day 3, unless someone has a concrete thing to share from last night.

by **MoB Deadly** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:17 am

@Betiko... x-stor is definitely dead, his role was shown in the scene?!?

Yup I was given Meth last night. I have the one Meth similar to TFO's.. I dont have a PR, but I lost my vote in exchange for an action.

I used it but it does not look like it gave me any results that are useful right now.

We lost our cop but with 3 mafia down I think we look good.

Busy busy busy morning, will post as I can today.

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initial reads:
Good job stor on picking out superkeener
I suspect Gregwolf

Other than that I have mild suspicions on rishead, IB, rodion and jonty (in order) .... I have to sort through these and figure this out more.

WAIT WTF... ISNT RUGBIRN PRETTY MUCH CONFIRMED TO BE POISONER????
He visitied Stor N1, and he died by poison N2

fastposted

by **betiko** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:22 am

ok so I'm not familiar with the poisoner role; you visit on night N, and the target dies after N+1? so there is basically one of us who is pretty much dead?

by **MoB Deadly** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:23 am

Oh.. I just noticed the Off-red as well.... I know nothing about the show, the first two mafia, are they likely to not be aligned with superkeener?

fastposted by betiko -- yes pretty much, I think if a Doctor visits same night as poisoner he may be able to stop it.
Or if the poisoner visited one of the people who died last night then it wouldnt matter as well.
Otherwise yes someone will die of poison tomorrow even if we lynch the poisoner today

by **MoB Deadly** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:25 am

Here betiko
http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Poisoner

I think this is pretty damning evidence against rugbirn and looks like an easy lynch today, but we should still have everyone check in and post leads. Do not speedlynch obviously.

vote Rugbirn

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:26 am

Well, looks like x-stor ended up being right on superkeener. But I still think his case was bad ;-P

by **betiko** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:31 am

MoB Deadly wrote:Oh.. I just noticed the Off-red as well.... I know nothing about the show, the first two mafia, are they likely to not be aligned with superkeener?

fastposted by betiko -- yes pretty much, I think if a Doctor visits same night as poisoner he may be able to stop it.
Or if the poisoner visited one of the people who died last night then it wouldnt matter as well.
Otherwise yes someone will die of poison tomorrow even if we lynch the poisoner today

watch the video i posted for flavour. Basically, we would all agree that Gus is the mafia godfather (reds). He used to be the distributor and in the scene I show he goes to see the guy that used to be the godfather (maroons) and as you can see he poisons him and all his gang's drinks to become the new druglord.

I don't know if we're looking that good, as I suspect the setting to be somewhere around 3/3/3/9 in terms of alignments, so there are probably still 3 mafias out there. gus's gang are 3 at least as mike and lydia are dead and gus is still missing (+drink poisoning flavour?); super's gang well... wouldn't be fair if they were outnumbered by gus's gang?

double fastposed

by **betiko** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:34 am

Metsfanmax wrote:Well, looks like x-stor ended up being right on superkeener. But I still think his case was bad ;-P

I agree the case was bad, but I think it is because he had tracked him night 1and he saw super visit neb. he just couldn't tell the truth to protect his own ass.

by **MoB Deadly** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:37 am

betiko wrote:I don't know if we're looking that good, as I suspect the setting to be somewhere around 3/3/3/9 in terms of alignments,

But what about DEA? they are an off color blue too so this is a little tricky
I guess there are no neutral 3rd parties probably in this

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:40 am

betiko wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:Well, looks like x-stor ended up being right on superkeener. But I still think his case was bad ;-P

I agree the case was bad, but I think it is because he had tracked him night 1and he saw super visit neb. he just couldn't tell the truth to protect his own ass.

Yes, it looks that way. If so I can understand his decision not to claim, especially when there was so much ambiguity regarding the factions until now.

But what about DEA? they are an off color blue too so this is a little tricky
I guess there are no neutral 3rd parties probably in this

I was assuming that was one of the '3's in that alignment. Presumably they separately would have a win condition to eliminate all mafia, but could win even if town is dead.

by **betiko** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:42 am

MoB Deadly wrote:Here betiko
http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Poisoner

I think this is pretty damning evidence against rugbirn and looks like an easy lynch today, but we should still have everyone check in and post leads. Do not speedlynch obviously.

vote Rugbirn

your link suggest that you are told if you're poisoned? so do you thin xstor could ve been poisoned and didn't say anything? or could it just be that strike used gus's way of killing to give flavour to his night kill, without meaning there is a poisoner? I don't know, that sounds like way too much nigh kill powers if red mafia can kill +poison and you have the cartel on top of that killing as well... that sounds too unballanced for town

fp by mob

yeah there might be even more factions... normal third party (green?) and that blue color for DEA?

fp by mets

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:48 am

betiko wrote:
MoB Deadly wrote:Here betiko
http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Poisoner

I think this is pretty damning evidence against rugbirn and looks like an easy lynch today, but we should still have everyone check in and post leads. Do not speedlynch obviously.

vote Rugbirn

your link suggest that you are told if you're poisoned? so do you thin xstor could ve been poisoned and didn't say anything? or could it just be that strike used gus's way of killing to give flavour to his night kill, without meaning there is a poisoner? I don't know, that sounds like way too much nigh kill powers if red mafia can kill +poison and you have the cartel on top of that killing as well... that sounds too unballanced for town

It wouldn't be unbalanced for town if their win condition was to kill the other mafia faction and not the town.

by **MoB Deadly** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:50 am

Sorry for the confusion... Thats what happens when I try to work and post at the same time

@Betiko - poisoner - I just posted the first link I found to give supporting details on the poisoner role. In CC players are never notified of poisoning, but it depends on mod+setup I suppose.

I mean last night we had 2 deaths (both mafia), I would say this past night we had both mafia kills + the poison. Yeah that could be overpowered if they shoot Town every time, but as we saw from N1 the mafia are going to kill each other as well.

I am 99% sure Rugbirn is poisoner just based on Yesterday.
X-stor had 3 visitors, 2 watchers and Rugbirn.
X-stor definitely died from poison, poison is almost always N+1 to die.

fastposted - thats true too

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:53 am

I hate to engage in too much flavor spec with the way strike has been trampling the character roles, but couldn't the poisoner be Walter White? In which case we would not want to lynch him.

by **betiko** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:55 am

ok the rugbirn case is much more factual than the greg case. let's get an early full claim so he justifies what he did on xstor night 1.

unvote, vote rugbirn

FP

true too. I thought that virus was trying to remind me that walt was a poisoner too and that it was not sure it was gus; which reminded me of the whole ricine situation. Anyway, I want rugbirn to claim.

by **cooldeals** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:12 am

Good luck everyone.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:14 am

The day is young and I 100% agree with this vote.

Vote Rugbirn

iIwant to say something about the meth giver. The breaking Bad Show is about a chem teacher who makes the BEST meth period. Walter or Jesse will be the one giving the meth out. I can not see Walter and Jesse being anything but blue...I am almost 100% sure of that. So who would want Jesse dead or captured? DEA and Mafia. Trying to find the meth giver is akin to trying to find out the Doc or Cop.

I suspect hank was light blue because he had a separate win condition as I suggested early in the game. However I believe he would only get a positive mafia read on the two mafia factions. I say this because Walter was right under Hanks nose the whole series until the last season. In essence hank was Town cop as well.

We would be foolish to not lynch Rugbirn but I will come out and say I believe Rodion is Mafia as well hence his wanting to find who has meth and his protection of Rugbirn.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:45 am

MoB Deadly wrote:@Betiko... x-stor is definitely dead, his role was shown in the scene?!?

Yup I was given Meth last night. I have the one Meth similar to TFO's.. I dont have a PR, but I lost my vote in exchange for an action.

I used it but it does not look like it gave me any results that are useful right now.

We lost our cop but with 3 mafia down I think we look good.

Busy busy busy morning, will post as I can today.

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initial reads:
Good job stor on picking out superkeener
I suspect Gregwolf

Other than that I have mild suspicions on rishead, IB, rodion and jonty (in order) .... I have to sort through these and figure this out more.

WAIT WTF... ISNT RUGBIRN PRETTY MUCH CONFIRMED TO BE POISONER????
He visitied Stor N1, and he died by poison N2

fastposted

MoB why would you admit you have Meth if you have no results? IF you are Town you have only narrowed the pool of who the methgiver is?

by **rishaed** on Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:46 am

Thats putting some good pieces together there. [color=red vote Rugbirn[/color] FOS Mets You were super overprotective of Super (know it was a bad case, but still), and was going to be my first lead of the day. However Rugbirn has got better evidence against him, so i'll put you off till later.
fp'd
also it lets us know that he doesn't have a vote fro the day.