Conquer Club

[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

Housing completed games. Come take a walk through a history of suspicion!

Moderator: Community Team

Forum rules
Please read the Community Guidelines before posting.

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby Rugbirn on Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:38 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:Lets say Rigburn is telling the truth for a moment.

He has already admitted he is a survivor. He says he is town aligned but he will still win as long as he lives.

If this game has two docs who is to say that there is not another investigative role such as JOAT, back up cop or other form of investigation? Hank was DEA faction so if there is someone left who can investigate Rugbirn has the potential to screw that up. We are only day three, which means we have had only two nights of action with results.

He has no idea who he is helping and we have no idea who he is helping.


Well for someone who has NO idea who he is helping, Rug managed to help XStor (town) N1 and the town investigator - Hank N2. I'd say he was 2 for 2. Alot better percentage than most in this game.
Corporal 1st Class Rugbirn
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:20 am

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby rishaed on Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:55 pm

MoB you opened your mouth......
Also why are both people dead if you were successful.
I am going to think a bit more about this entire thing before deciding whom to place my final vote. unvoteif necessary
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.

Image
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class rishaed
 
Posts: 1052
Joined: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:54 pm
Location: Somewhere in the Foundry forums looking for whats going on!

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby Iron Butterfly on Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:01 pm

The question I have have is why anyone who is Town would want to kill a claimed third party vs a claimed Town. I will be first to admit that Greg could easily flip as scum. He has given a less then stellar performance in his defense and in this game overall.

@rugbirn the two people you claimed to save are both dead. At this point all you can do is guess who is who. You can just as easily be giving mafia a clear investigation if a cop investigative role still exists.

I also wish to know why none has has asked our bus driver to claim his name.
Image

[url=http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=341][img]http://i1025
User avatar
Captain Iron Butterfly
 
Posts: 2711
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:10 pm
Location: New York City

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby strike wolf on Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:18 am

My internet was down much of the weekend. Just now getting back up to speed. Will read through later.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
User avatar
Cadet strike wolf
 
Posts: 8345
Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 11:03 pm
Location: Sandy Springs, GA (just north of Atlanta)

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby Rugbirn on Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:48 am

Got my answer from Strike now that his internet is back up. My N1 protection of Xstor was/would be effective against a poisoner. So this means one of two things:

1. Xstor was NOT poisoned by N+1 or
2. My action was role-blocked.
Corporal 1st Class Rugbirn
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:20 am

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby Rugbirn on Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:51 am

Doesn't make sense to randomly role-block me on N1 (when no one knew my role), so my guess is poisoning is flavor i.e. Gus' modus operundi like in the show.
Corporal 1st Class Rugbirn
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:20 am

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 15/18 D2: Call a...Oh

Postby betiko on Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:07 am

superkeener wrote:(I am writing this in real time as I read through D2 dialogue, so bear with me if I touch on something that has already been addressed or my opinions changes throughout this post. I will try my best to edit it for a smooth flowing read.)

N1 Actions Thoughts.
Neb, The Doc was killed. Lucky mafia hit if you ask me. Plain and simple.
Pancake being Mafia. Lucky (2nd) Mafia Faction hit or SK role. Not so plain and simple. However, I think it had to be a luck for who/whatever ordered the kill.

D2 Dialogue Thoughts.

Caf is the first to be brought up into question. Not for sure how I feel about him yet. I do believe it is too early in the day to request a claim. However, I am inclined to see something in this wagon.

X-stor’s Vote post. Good information listed, but finding out where the scum are lurking could be tricky with such a spread out vote. However what stood out to me i: x-stor has been very ā€œaggressiveā€ in almost all fronts and issues in this game. However, when the caffeine wagon gets a little steam (perhaps the biggest D2 play as of yet), all we get from the thread’s leading poster is:
X-Stor-X wrote:btw not opposed to the caffeine crap. Seems kinda weird tbh.

I would just expect a lot more from x-stor on this, since he has been very vocal in basically everything else. He quickly disregards the caff wagon and just dives straight back into greg.

Gregwolf now has had enough time to post. I will not hold him accountable for a ā€œLackā€ of D1 posts. D2 is now upon us and he has started posting. Nothing really substantial yet.

I do not like virus’s vote on rishead. I feel it to be too early in D2 to be justified. It seems like he is just trying to throw his vote somewhere, just for the sake of voting. (Rishead’s response was all confusing to read because of the format of his post, still would like a clarification on it)

IB still has my FoS lingering from D1. Not warranted of a D2 vote atm.

So here is my "questionable" reads in order from highest to lowest.
IB, Virus, caff, x-stor


just showing the post where it seems like super admits cartel killed PCM as a lucky shot.
Also, funny to see that IB was top of super's suspect list to start day 2 when there was nothing really about him... protecting a cartel mate?
Image
User avatar
Major betiko
 
Posts: 10941
Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:05 pm
Location: location, location
22

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby Rugbirn on Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:10 am

rishaed wrote:MoB you opened your mouth......
Also why are both people dead if you were successful.
I am going to think a bit more about this entire thing before deciding whom to place my final vote. unvoteif necessary


Look Rishaed, I can only protect 1 (ONE) town per night. I protected XStor N1 - he lived through it. I protected Hank N2 - he didn't live trhrough it, through no fault of my own - it was due to bussing. Through no fault of MoB's either. We were just trying to protect the cop as best we could. It just backfired somewhat.

Now think about this: If I had protected XStor N2 (my only regret in this game - in hindsight), XStor would still be alive, and Hank would still be dead.
In this scenario, there wouldn't have been any case on me, and we wouldn't have wasted a week discussing my truthfulness.
Corporal 1st Class Rugbirn
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:20 am

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby Rugbirn on Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:10 am

rishaed wrote:MoB you opened your mouth......
Also why are both people dead if you were successful.
I am going to think a bit more about this entire thing before deciding whom to place my final vote. unvoteif necessary


Look Rishaed, I can only protect 1 (ONE) town per night. I protected XStor N1 - he lived through it. I protected Hank N2 - he didn't live trhrough it, through no fault of my own - it was due to bussing. Through no fault of MoB's either. We were just trying to protect the cop as best we could. It just backfired somewhat.

Now think about this: If I had protected XStor N2 (my only regret in this game - in hindsight), XStor would still be alive, and Hank would still be dead.
In this scenario, there wouldn't have been any case on me, and we wouldn't have wasted a week discussing my truthfulness.
Corporal 1st Class Rugbirn
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:20 am

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby betiko on Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:11 am

Rugbirn wrote:Doesn't make sense to randomly role-block me on N1 (when no one knew my role), so my guess is poisoning is flavor i.e. Gus' modus operundi like in the show.


if you are telling the truth, then the whole poisoner thing has been some speculations we all had. no way someone could've chose to role block you on night 1 after your day 1 performance.. too many other things to look at and we don't even know if there is a roleblocker.
Image
User avatar
Major betiko
 
Posts: 10941
Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:05 pm
Location: location, location
22

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby Rugbirn on Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:17 am

I agree that this clear up the poisoner possibility. It didn't make sense with all the factions anyway to give mafia/cartel this much power.
Corporal 1st Class Rugbirn
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:20 am

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby virus90 on Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:30 am

rishaed wrote:MoB you opened your mouth......
Also why are both people dead if you were successful.
I am going to think a bit more about this entire thing before deciding whom to place my final vote. unvoteif necessary


i know my focus on rishead might be tunnel vision, but posts like these only confirm what i have been saying for a while now:
scummarining
No content / no opinion.

if he had been reading thoroughly he should not need to ask these questions.. (rugbirn should not have to answer them).

besides as pointed out before, i believe rugbirns claim. i think it is proven by now.
and greg, well its his meta... not a strong claim, but possible. have to keep an eye on him.

i just follow my gutfeeling. unvote vote rishead
User avatar
Major virus90
 
Posts: 46
Joined: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:15 am
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 15/18 D2: Call a...Oh

Postby Iron Butterfly on Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:37 am

betiko wrote:
superkeener wrote:(I am writing this in real time as I read through D2 dialogue, so bear with me if I touch on something that has already been addressed or my opinions changes throughout this post. I will try my best to edit it for a smooth flowing read.)

N1 Actions Thoughts.
Neb, The Doc was killed. Lucky mafia hit if you ask me. Plain and simple.
Pancake being Mafia. Lucky (2nd) Mafia Faction hit or SK role. Not so plain and simple. However, I think it had to be a luck for who/whatever ordered the kill.

D2 Dialogue Thoughts.

Caf is the first to be brought up into question. Not for sure how I feel about him yet. I do believe it is too early in the day to request a claim. However, I am inclined to see something in this wagon.

X-stor’s Vote post. Good information listed, but finding out where the scum are lurking could be tricky with such a spread out vote. However what stood out to me i: x-stor has been very ā€œaggressiveā€ in almost all fronts and issues in this game. However, when the caffeine wagon gets a little steam (perhaps the biggest D2 play as of yet), all we get from the thread’s leading poster is:
X-Stor-X wrote:btw not opposed to the caffeine crap. Seems kinda weird tbh.

I would just expect a lot more from x-stor on this, since he has been very vocal in basically everything else. He quickly disregards the caff wagon and just dives straight back into greg.

Gregwolf now has had enough time to post. I will not hold him accountable for a ā€œLackā€ of D1 posts. D2 is now upon us and he has started posting. Nothing really substantial yet.

I do not like virus’s vote on rishead. I feel it to be too early in D2 to be justified. It seems like he is just trying to throw his vote somewhere, just for the sake of voting. (Rishead’s response was all confusing to read because of the format of his post, still would like a clarification on it)

IB still has my FoS lingering from D1. Not warranted of a D2 vote atm.

So here is my "questionable" reads in order from highest to lowest.
IB, Virus, caff, x-stor


just showing the post where it seems like super admits cartel killed PCM as a lucky shot.
Also, funny to see that IB was top of super's suspect list to start day 2 when there was nothing really about him... protecting a cartel mate?


So let me make sure I understand this... You are putting a FOS on me because the "God Father" of the Cartel put me on a list of who he thinks is scummy. This before he flips skum.

This is after I agreed with Stors case on Superkeener. This post is after Superkeener created an OMGUS vote on me for voting him and created a bandwagon that other mafia jumped on?

Why would you give credence to what a dead mafioso would write while he is still alive? Anything you write is pure speculation and WIFO.

Tell you what why don't you look at my full voting record through out the game AND look who tried to bandwagon me.

VOTE MOB

I want a name to the bus driver claim.
Image

[url=http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=341][img]http://i1025
User avatar
Captain Iron Butterfly
 
Posts: 2711
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:10 pm
Location: New York City

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby Iron Butterfly on Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:44 am

virus90 wrote:
rishaed wrote:MoB you opened your mouth......
Also why are both people dead if you were successful.
I am going to think a bit more about this entire thing before deciding whom to place my final vote. unvoteif necessary


i know my focus on rishead might be tunnel vision, but posts like these only confirm what i have been saying for a while now:
scummarining
No content / no opinion.

if he had been reading thoroughly he should not need to ask these questions.. (rugbirn should not have to answer them).

besides as pointed out before, i believe rugbirns claim. i think it is proven by now.
and greg, well its his meta... not a strong claim, but possible. have to keep an eye on him.

i just follow my gutfeeling. unvote vote rishead


How come you dont ask for a name claim from MOB?

You missed the part where MOB says that he will vote to lynch Rugbirn if three people die tonight. So if someone dies its on Rugbirn? The last I recall Rugbirn cant protect mafia and he has no idea who mafia are.
Image

[url=http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=341][img]http://i1025
User avatar
Captain Iron Butterfly
 
Posts: 2711
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:10 pm
Location: New York City

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby MoB Deadly on Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:06 pm

I still don't see why you WOULD want a name claim from me. I KNOW the mafia were given fake claims, but how strong could they be?
There are quite a few "big names" out there, I would rather catch someone in a fake claim. I would rather keep it WIFOM to the mafia as well whether or not I am a big name like Walter White

Iron Butterfly wrote:You missed the part where MOB says that he will vote to lynch Rugbirn if three people die tonight. So if someone dies its on Rugbirn? The last I recall Rugbirn cant protect mafia and he has no idea who mafia are.

*** If there is poison in the flavor and 3 people die.
Image
Art by: codierose | High Score: 2550
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class MoB Deadly
 
Posts: 2381
Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:07 am

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby MoB Deadly on Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:08 pm

Virus - We already had 2 claims, and 1 partial claim. We cant possibly choose another lead at this point. We need to pick from the claimed.
Image
Art by: codierose | High Score: 2550
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class MoB Deadly
 
Posts: 2381
Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:07 am

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby jonty125 on Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:32 pm

We have two town claims, and one 3rd party claim on the board. I'm sorry, but I have to vote the third party here, and I'm not even sorry, but it seems to me a no brainer, unvote, vote Rugbrin. I am convinced MoB is town, because mafia BD is OP, then again scum had a watcher, which meths makes no sense to me, but that aside, the third party has to go. Greg's claim, well has been at least one VT in this game, so why not a second, and from what I've gathered by the reaction in the thread the flavour checks out. And lastly, in this disjointed post, I don't wish to see MoB name claim because if we have the scenario where I say I'm Steven town jailkeeper, and MoB goes, what I'm Steven, I'm as screwed as a ... hmmm, you can fill in your own metaphor there.
War doesn't determine who's right; it determines who's left.
User avatar
Cook jonty125
 
Posts: 279
Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:48 pm

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby Rugbirn on Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:43 pm

Jonty, as I said before, let mafia kill me tonight as I am sure they will try. Why waste a lynch on a pro town friendly second doc? Apparently, you either really don't believe me or you are acting very scummy and not in town interest. If you don't believe me at least explain why...
Corporal 1st Class Rugbirn
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:20 am

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby jonty125 on Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:18 pm

Rugbirn wrote:Jonty, as I said before, let mafia kill me tonight as I am sure they will try. Why waste a lynch on a pro town friendly second doc? Apparently, you either really don't believe me or you are acting very scummy and not in town interest. If you don't believe me at least explain why...


I'm sure, I've already said this, but hey, I'll bite.Do I believe your claim? Yes, it seems to elaborate to be fake, unless SW gave it to you but with the amount of kills per night, a 2nd doc could be feasible.You describe yourself as pro-town, your allegiance can change at the drop of a hat, which immediately makes me wary of you. Secondly, I dislike the MoB-Rug switcharoo plan/bluff. Lots of things could go wrong, which involves, you/MoB dead, and I don't think we can afford to lose MoB, his busdriving ability could be manipulated into protecting town power roles and lets say the bluff does pull off, but you target scum, you'll mess up a cop result (that's if we have a back-up cop) granted it's unlikely that the two events will happen simultaneously but it has to be considered.

So that's why.
War doesn't determine who's right; it determines who's left.
User avatar
Cook jonty125
 
Posts: 279
Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:48 pm

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby betiko on Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:20 pm

I d be interested to hear you guys put the pieces together with the 5 night kills so far. Night 1 seems pretty figured out with super's post, but night 3?
Concerning greg vs rug, if both are telling the truth I don't see how some of you can give more value to a semi active VT compared to a third party protective role given that we are out of town doc. The third party protector has 0 reason to betray town. Seriously, if you were scum who would you be worried about? Greg the vt or rug the guy who will protect mob? Let s be serious.
If you don t believe at all that rug can protect, well ok, but otherwise this is absolutely stupid. He can t even protect an anti town role....

Fp
Image
User avatar
Major betiko
 
Posts: 10941
Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:05 pm
Location: location, location
22

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby betiko on Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:20 pm

Ebwop night 2 not night 3
Image
User avatar
Major betiko
 
Posts: 10941
Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:05 pm
Location: location, location
22

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby betiko on Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:26 pm

jonty125 wrote:
Rugbirn wrote:Jonty, as I said before, let mafia kill me tonight as I am sure they will try. Why waste a lynch on a pro town friendly second doc? Apparently, you either really don't believe me or you are acting very scummy and not in town interest. If you don't believe me at least explain why...


I'm sure, I've already said this, but hey, I'll bite.Do I believe your claim? Yes, it seems to elaborate to be fake, unless SW gave it to you but with the amount of kills per night, a 2nd doc could be feasible.You describe yourself as pro-town, your allegiance can change at the drop of a hat, which immediately makes me wary of you. Secondly, I dislike the MoB-Rug switcharoo plan/bluff. Lots of things could go wrong, which involves, you/MoB dead, and I don't think we can afford to lose MoB, his busdriving ability could be manipulated into protecting town power roles and lets say the bluff does pull off, but you target scum, you'll mess up a cop result (that's if we have a back-up cop) granted it's unlikely that the two events will happen simultaneously but it has to be considered.

So that's why.


Seriously?? If him and mob survive a night we will all know if rug ended protecting a bad guy. We don t even know if we have a cop. You are basically saying that you believe him.. 3 options:
A) you are out of your mind
B) you are scum
C) you are not very smart

If you think that rug is telling the truth wtf man?? How is an inactive vt more valuable??
Image
User avatar
Major betiko
 
Posts: 10941
Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:05 pm
Location: location, location
22

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby Rugbirn on Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:36 pm

@Jonty - well you make alot of points detailing what we don't know, and I agree there is much. However, as Betty said there is no point in me joining the dark side as my powers for them is useless without a town investigator - which there could be, but I doubt it. Second point, MoB is going to buss himself to stay alive, so I don't see where that helps town other than MoB. The switcheroo is a gamble, but with 11 left, if not now, - when? Town will never get a better shot than now. I'm saying that town has a 60/40 advantage right now, and it town can get Gus it goes up to 75/25 (one night kill only).
Corporal 1st Class Rugbirn
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:20 am

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby betiko on Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:05 pm

What s the basis of those % rug, i m curious?

Again, how many misslynches can we afford with 3 night kills (1 being vig??)? Seems like a lot of people here are really not convinced that we caught scum with rug and greg, yet you are all acting as if we had no choice. There is still a few days left. There could be 7 people left tomorrow with 3 mafia and no more chances for mistakes, then 2/4 the next day with a correct lynch...
I don t know, something is wrong there ballancewise... There should be a massclaim tomorrow I think.
Image
User avatar
Major betiko
 
Posts: 10941
Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:05 pm
Location: location, location
22

Re: [Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 11/18 D3: Busy Night

Postby virus90 on Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:10 pm

MoB Deadly wrote:Virus - We already had 2 claims, and 1 partial claim. We cant possibly choose another lead at this point. We need to pick from the claimed.


well we better lynch greg right away then since he is VT and the 2 of you claim something different.(<--- note the sarcasm) or you are both maffia and back eachother up in this way. "well i got busdrived" --> "yeah it was me..."
Problem is; i want to find scum and i am not sure i find it in greg since it is meta where he has been selected for, which is not that different from usual. Then again his claim is not very solid in my opinion and VT's are expandable.

In order of the 3 targets at hand my pref is: greg - Mob - rugbirn. but i keep my vote where it is for now (on rishead).
User avatar
Major virus90
 
Posts: 46
Joined: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:15 am
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

PreviousNext

Return to Mafia Archives

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users