[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[betiko]

ok again I'm not sure I get everything, here is my interpretation let me know if you understand the same

The town toasted their victory over the day while the mafia retreated to lick its wounds. Two down so early, they had not anticipated this happening so quickly. Yet the game was still young and everyone was about figure out just how much could happen in one night.

this part is very straight forward and I agree with rug's read

As the drinks went down, a few of the men their only tasted bitter sorrow. Excusing himself from the festivities earlier, he got in the cab with the driver who had brought him there to take off. Before the night was through, he planned to go out for some quick "business". As the cab turned right, one of the revelers was there, the man in back had to focus but he quickly recognized this man as the DEA agent who had brought in Mike the night before.

"a few of the men their only tasted bitter sorrow" is there a typo there with "their" or is it some expression? Who is this paragraph about? Gus? but how can a group of men feel bitter sorrow, Gus is left alone right? who could he be drinking with in sorrow? So gus/? is in a cab with the idea to go kill super/don eladio. On his way he recognizes hank/CD

Outside the cab, Hank toasted his victory with his fellow agents, the captain even mentioned a possible promotions for the big bust. Hank excused himself from the group to go look for his wife, separated from the rest, he did not notice as the cab came barreling down on him until he was flipping over it's front window. Everyone turned to get to the body as the cab sped off but it was too late for Hank.

so hank's killer is depicted as being in the cab/bus but the guy he's been bussed with isn't even mentioned there?

Meanwhile, back in a Mexican villa, a drug lord was sipping on tequila when he had heard the news of the death. Feeling content, he went out for a leisurely walk when he noticed a car in the driveway. He was curious at first but his curiosity turned to fear as the man rushed him. He attempted to flee and call for guards but he tripped and was quickly pummeled to death by the assailant.

so is this supposed to be gus again and in the cab again?


Mob's story seems fishy. Yeah I'd like a name claim please mob.

fp

[Rugbirn]

I think the first part is describing the 14 of us left (at the time) in the game. Most are celebrating, and others (the scum left in this game) are feeling bitter sorrow. There is a typo, I think it should read, "As the drinks went down, a few of the men there only tasted bitter sorrow"

"Excusing himself from the festivities earlier (could indicate TFO and his not being able to vote N2) he got in the cab with the driver who had brought him there to take off". The guy that brought him there is the one that Methed him (i.e. gave him N1 action in return for his vote)? Then it goes to describe that he had some night business to do, (i.e kill Super) but before he can do that he runs over Hank (I think this describes the "change in plans", Super for Gus (as in the bussing that MoB did).

I do NOT think that the scene decribing Super's death is the same cab, but someone else. It would not be Gus' flavor to "pummeled to death"

[betiko]

I think the first part is describing the 14 of us left (at the time) in the game. Most are celebrating, and others (the scum left in this game) are feeling bitter sorrow. There is a typo, I think it should read, "As the drinks went down, a few of the men there only tasted bitter sorrow"

"Excusing himself from the festivities earlier (could indicate TFO and his not being able to vote N2) he got in the cab with the driver who had brought him there to take off". The guy that brought him there is the one that Methed him (i.e. gave him N1 action in return for his vote)? Then it goes to describe that he had some night business to do, (i.e kill Super) but before he can do that he runs over Hank (I think this describes the "change in plans", Super for Gus (as in the bussing that MoB did).

I do NOT think that the scene decribing Super's death is the same cab, but someone else. It would not be Gus' flavor to "pummeled to death"

what are you saying in red there seriously? no sense there.

secondly, so you agree that something doesn't add up between your story, mob's and the scene? strike couldn't ve made it obvious that CD and super were bussed and both dead in the same action I have to say, even though that would be a very bizarre way to describe the scene that you and mob have been selling us.

[MoB Deadly]

To be fair, given that there are fake claims the usefulness of holding the character name is questionable. I m more interested to know what information he got from the meth, because if he dies tonight this information will be gone forever... But at least we ll know the name of his corpse lol.

If you guys want me to fully claim tomorrow I will do it, but I am certain the info is not useful for us Today.
If I have important/relevant information I will try to guarantee my survival by bussing myself
If I don't have important information, then maybe I will do something more noble for the greater good. All part of the WIFOM

I'm inclined to agree here. If mafia have fakeclaims, I don't think town loses a later play by having your claim your name now -- since if they're smart they'll stick to what they're given.

Any extra information the mafia has = them putting the puzzle pieces together faster. And I think it is well worth the risk in case someone DOES mess up their claim. You never know, what if someone was given a really stupid/weak fakeclaim?

I dont know, I think greg's is pretty weak, I think he is a perfect example of a potential mafia who could have tried something ambitious and played a fake claim better than Combo.

but mostly it's not necesairy to hold the meth result as it could be good information for later. if you die, and I think you are a top target for mafia along with rug, we'll never know about your action that costed you not to vote today.

What if I got something non-investigative like Doc/Bodyguard?
What if I got something investigative and I used it on CD-->Superkeener because I knew how the action would process and now he is dead?

There's plenty of ways I could have useless information. But I don't want the mafia to know and I want that to factor into their night kill decision tonight.

i think both the cartel and the mob are supposed to kill all non-members. cant picture them winning together.

I agree with this I think

I guess I have to ask MoB: Who did you bus N1? Who is your role? Answering these questions should not matter to you at this point, as the only way you stay alive is with my protection (if you are town), or by bussing yourself - and your bussing partner needs to be a better pick next time!!

Not doing it. As stated above before. If you guys want me to do it tomorrow we can talk about it. But I think it will just be a distraction today that we dont need.

Rugbirn was doing pretty well, now hes posting gibberish again throughout page 75.


Wtf?? Okay I will go through my read on Last nights Scene in a couple hours but I think you guys are reading WAY too into it.
Here is my quick tl;dr first impressions.

Bus Executed as planned because CD and Don both had a car in their death scene.

CD "quick business" was his investigation --
Got hit by the car -- strike wanted to keep the Vigi that shot Super anonymous, this is simply one way to do it. Maybe it was Hanks Partner, so he wasn't going to have his own partner shoot him in the scene.

Don - killed by mafia? who tried to shoot CD? Or maybe cartel ending up killing themselves? Again its anonymous.

The third kill was a poison in my eyes. That is why I claimed to clear things up. One minute I think Rugbirn is evil, the next I think he is worth keeping. I am glad I don't have a vote today because I am pretty confused.

I will try again in a couple hours to decipher the scene.

[MoB Deadly]

Night 2 End Scene

The town toasted their victory over the day while the mafia retreated to lick its wounds. Two down so early, they had not anticipated this happening so quickly. Yet the game was still young and everyone was about figure out just how much could happen in one night.
No Need to Explain

As the drinks went down, a few of the men their only tasted bitter sorrow. Excusing himself from the festivities earlier, he got in the cab with the driver who had brought him there to take off. Before the night was through, he planned to go out for some quick "business".
Anyone can feel Bitter Sorrow, Town, Mafia, Cartel all lost people. "Business" means to Kill. Cab (Me), is taking him to his target.

As the cab turned right, one of the revelers was there, the man in back had to focus but he quickly recognized this man as the DEA agent who had brought in Mike the night before.
Cab took him to Hank. Implies Bus.

Outside the cab, Hank toasted his victory with his fellow agents, the captain even mentioned a possible promotions for the big bust. Hank excused himself from the group to go look for his wife, separated from the rest, he did not notice as the cab came barreling down on him until he was flipping over it's front window. Everyone turned to get to the body as the cab sped off but it was too late for Hank.
This is phrased like I literally killed him. To keep the assailant confidential. This is just one way to do it.

Cooldeals-Hank Schrader-DEA Cop has been killed.



Unfortunately for everyone, the night was only just beginning. Elsewhere, a teenage boy on crutches was drinking non-alcoholic champagne to celebrate the occasion. He never noticed as the poison tablet had been slipped into one of the glasses. As he began to feel sick, he staggered to the bathroom but only made it half way at first. Thinking he had just stumbled a party goer went to pick him up but backed up when they saw the dead look in his eyes.
Poisoned. That was my initial read. Not sure if I am over analyzing, or if this is a normal kill.

x-stor-x-Walter "Flynn" White Jr-Town Tracker (and yes Mets, I'm aware this one doesn't make much flavor sense ).



Meanwhile, back in a Mexican villa, a drug lord was sipping on tequila when he had heard the news of the death. Feeling content, he went out for a leisurely walk when he noticed a car in the driveway. He was curious at first but his curiosity turned to fear as the man rushed him. He attempted to flee and call for guards but he tripped and was quickly pummeled to death by the assailant.
Feeling Content, meaning he is happy a Townie died. Or intended person Died. Who knows. Car (Me) took a killer to Don. He died, also confidential.

Superkeener-Don Eladio-Cartel Godfather has been killed.



The town surveyed the damage, three dead in total and one a definitive enemy. How will they react?

It is now Day 3. With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline will be Friday the 28th.

[Rugbirn]

HANKS KILL SCENE:
The town toasted their victory over the day while the mafia retreated to lick its wounds. Two down so early, they had not anticipated this happening so quickly. Yet the game was still young and everyone was about figure out just how much could happen in one night.

"while the mafia (not cartel) retreated to lick its wounds" Strike is writing this scene from the mafia's point of view. If we believe that Gus is the only mafia left, then it would be Gus' point of view.

As the drinks went down, a few of the men their only tasted bitter sorrow. Excusing himself from the festivities earlier, he got in the cab with the driver who had brought him there to take off. Before the night was through, he planned to go out for some quick "business". As the cab turned right, one of the revelers was there, the man in back had to focus but he quickly recognized this man as the DEA agent who had brought in Mike the night before.

"The town toasted their victory over the day" = Town rejoicing over lynching IAC D2. "As the drinks went down, a few of the men there only tasted bitter sorrow" = Out of the 14 players left in the game some are unhappy (bitter sorrow), these are the scum left in the game.

"Excusing himself (Gus) from the festivities eariler".... This statement is key and indicates who Gus is. It is TFO because he was the only one not allowed to vote and had been sick (reason for his lack of posts) during most of D2.

"He (Gus/TFO) got into the cab with the driver who brought him there to take off. Before the night was through, he planned to go out for some quick "business"" = Gus is in the cab with the driver (MoB) who brought him there. Gus is going to kill Super (quick business) that night, but because of the bussing action he (the cab/bus) ends up killing Hank.

Outside the cab, Hank toasted his victory with his fellow agents, the captain even mentioned a possible promotions for the big bust. Hank excused himself from the group to go look for his wife, separated from the rest, he did not notice as the cab came barreling down on him until he was flipping over it's front window. Everyone turned to get to the body as the cab sped off but it was too late for Hank.

Cooldeals-Hank Schrader-DEA Cop has been killed. (Light Blue/Gray) = Town aligned role.


SUPERS KILL SCENE
Meanwhile, back in a Mexican villa, a drug lord was sipping on tequila when he had heard the news of the death. Feeling content, he went out for a leisurely walk when he noticed a car in the driveway. He was curious at first but his curiosity turned to fear as the man rushed him. He attempted to flee and call for guards but he tripped and was quickly pummeled to death by the assailant.

"when he had heard the news of the death" = I believe it is IAC's death he heard - remember in the show the mafia and cartel are competing against each other and Don is "Feeling content" that a mafia member went down D2. The car in the driveway represents MoB and the cab that just killed Hank because of the bussing action. Super (Don) had targeted Hank that night and was "pummeled to death" (cartel flavor) due to the bus (cab).

Superkeener-Don Eladio-Cartel Godfather has been killed.

Now all the above digested in order to go forward:

1. Mafia (Gus assuming three mafia) had to target Super in order to kill Hank (from scene above).
2. Cartel had to target Hank to kill Super (Town vig would NOT target town cop), or could be Cartel aligned JOAT, or lone SK
3. This leaves Walt Jr's death. We know it wasn't N+1 poison (from Strike and my protection of Xstor N1) although the scene indicates it for flavor. Again, this would NOT be a Town vig killing XStor (unless XStor got bussed N2)
4. So this leaves these theories on who killed Walt Jr.: Cartel aligned JOAT, lone SK, or Cartel (depending on who killed in #2) OR, XStor got bussed and Town vig killed him by mistake, OR maybe he was poisoned FIGURATIVELY by the Meth Dealer (remember Jesse's girlfriend died of Meth OD).

unvote Vote TFO ......and get rid of the mafia faction = 1 NK/night going forward.

[MoB Deadly]

Soooooooo Rugbirn....

Gus (TFO, Mafia) tried to kill super, Killed Hank instead.
Cartel (??? Cartel) tried to kill CD, killed Don instead

WHO KILLED XSTOR then??? Town Vigi? Or are you admitting to be 3rd party poisoner? since you visited him N1?

I don't follow

[MoB Deadly]

Excusing himself from the festivities earlier, he got in the cab with the driver who had brought him there to take off. Before the night was through, he planned to go out for some quick "business".

Honestly.. This sounds like another typo...
What about this??

Excusing himself from the festivities early, he got in the cab with the driver who had brought him there to take off. Before the night was through, he planned to go out for some quick "business".

[Rugbirn]

MoB - yeah you could be right on the typo. To answer your questioin about Walt Jr. read my post above bullet #3

[MoB Deadly]

MoB - yeah you could be right on the typo. To answer your questioin about Walt Jr. read my post above bullet #3

My question is who killed him?
You say mafia and cartel kills are accounted for....

Town? Not likely as xstor was leading and we were fine with it.

3rd party? This makes sense then, which would make you look very guilty.

[Rugbirn]

I do NOT think that we are reading too much into Strike's scenes. If you re-read IAC's scene, you can tell that Strike condensed all the important details leading up to the lynch. I think that we have been ignoring (up to now) alot of clues by skimming Strike's posts. If you agree with the 3/3/3/9 set-up of the game, then we may have 3 - 3rd party members: me, Hank, and a JOAT or SK. Hank was ligh/blue gray, indicating town aligned. I am light green meaning I could (although my loyalties have always been town) help either side. And we may have a pink colored JOAT or SK aligned with the scum side.

[MoB Deadly]

So again I am asking you which faction killed xstor since you have it all figured out?

I just debunked a large chunk of your analysis with a single typo, can you debate against my analysis because I think I am right and you are wrong

*this sounds like I have an attitude, I am just being direct right now* and I am short on time so things sound rude.

[Rugbirn]

After all the posts I have put out in explaining things, if you don't believe my claim, I guess you never will - not much I can do about that. I do NOT know who killed XStor N2. But, I believe I prevented TFO (Gus) from killing him N1.

I don't see how you debunked my whole theory by a typo (that we don't even know exists). No offense taken....

[Rugbirn]

After all the posts I have put out in explaining things, if you don't believe my claim, I guess you never will - not much I can do about that. I do NOT know who killed XStor N2. But, I believe I prevented TFO (Gus) from killing him N1.

I don't see how you debunked my whole theory by a typo (that we don't even know exists). No offense taken....

[MoB Deadly]

After all the posts I have put out in explaining things, if you don't believe my claim, I guess you never will - not much I can do about that. I do NOT know who killed XStor N2. But, I believe I prevented TFO (Gus) from killing him N1.

I don't see how you debunked my whole theory by a typo (that we don't even know exists). No offense taken....

So you think TFO blatantly lied when he said he had a night action and got result(s)? He said that before IAC claimed and said what he did.
What would happen when down the road during massclaim we say hey what night results did you get on N1?
TFO had zero reason to lie at that point of the game so I don't follow your theory.

Another reason I believe him is because I myself received an action on N2 from being methed and I claimed what happened just the same as TFO did. It makes sense. Claim what you got, if you think it is important reveal it right away, otherwise hold it until it gets relevant. And that is exactly what I have been doing.

For the record, I would rather lynch gregwolf today and see tomorrow's scene. But honestly you are making that choice difficult for me, and I 100% understand why some people would rather to lynch you first before Gregwolf

[Rugbirn]

If TFO is Gus, then he has plenty of reason to lie. Look MoB, I believe your story, as my whole theory is based on your bussing story. I also believe that Strike's posts back it up. Our interpretation of the scene is very similar except you don't want to admit that TFO could be Gus - O.K. I can live with that. But, I wouldn't be writing all this stuff if I didn't want to help town. I can see from your reaction I am digging a deeper hole for myself with you, but you know what - I don't care, as I am a deadman walking anyway. You just seem pretty defensive about me accusiong TFO.

[strike wolf]

Official Vote Count

Rishaed (1)-Virus90,
Gregwolf121 (1)-Theforgivenone
Theforgivenone (1)-Rugbirn
mob deadly (1)-Iron Butterfly
betiko
metsfanmax
rodion
virus90
iron butterfly (1)-Betiko
Rugbirn (2)-Rodion, Jonty125
Jonty125

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline will be next Friday.

This is about the time I should say something like "Flavor is flavor". I may or may not put some relevant stuff within a scene, but I would not confirm that anyone was mafia or town in a scene.

[betiko]

my problem here is rug's reaction to the claim and the fact that he "knew" for certain we would lynch him... not to mention that he seems to know the show and that he knew that saul was an important character...

and the scene... yeah it's really strange cause it feels like the bus driver is a killer. I don't see how this could possibly be true, but the way it's written is really strange. If mob is not town that is a freaking awesome stunt to redo the "busdriver" stunt lol

fp

[MoB Deadly]

If TFO is Gus, then he has plenty of reason to lie. Look MoB, I believe your story, as my whole theory is based on your bussing story. I also believe that Strike's posts back it up. Our interpretation of the scene is very similar except you don't want to admit that TFO could be Gus - O.K. I can live with that. But, I wouldn't be writing all this stuff if I didn't want to help town. I can see from your reaction I am digging a deeper hole for myself with you, but you know what - I don't care, as I am a deadman walking anyway. You just seem pretty defensive about me accusiong TFO.

It is not about TFO, it is about you accusing someone by using specifically the scene and no evidence.
SW just confirmed as well, he wouldn't make the game that "easy" where we would be able to deduce who is mafia based on FLAVOR ONLY.

I was just using your own argument against you that if we look at FLAVOR ONLY, you look extremely guilty as the most probable person to have killed xstor.

@betiko Idk why I am so obsessed with bussing in official games

[Rugbirn]

My interpretation of Strike's comment is that the poisoning of XStor (in the scene) was flavor as opposed to anything other than a NK. However, we still do NOT know who killed XStor, but we do NOT have a poisoner N+1.

@MoB - My feelings on TFO is not just from the scene details, but N1 action- him being a watcher of XStor, AND explaining why he choose to watch XStor when nobody asked that question. Just alot of things that do not sit right with me concerning his actions.

[jonty125]

I have stated my distrust in a 3rd party, several times now, I've said what I've wanted. In other news, Rug, the mod won't hide info in a scene, particularly in an Offical game, it can seriously unbalance the game.

[Iron Butterfly]

My interpretation of Strike's comment is that the poisoning of XStor (in the scene) was flavor as opposed to anything other than a NK. However, we still do NOT know who killed XStor, but we do NOT have a poisoner N+1.

@MoB - My feelings on TFO is not just from the scene details, but N1 action- him being a watcher of XStor, AND explaining why he choose to watch XStor when nobody asked that question. Just alot of things that do not sit right with me concerning his actions.

This is the problem I have had with you all game going back to the VT and Doc being able to communicate, which is your interpretation of things. You continually speak as if something is fact when you obviously have no clue or understanding of how things work.

[betiko]

My interpretation of Strike's comment is that the poisoning of XStor (in the scene) was flavor as opposed to anything other than a NK. However, we still do NOT know who killed XStor, but we do NOT have a poisoner N+1.

@MoB - My feelings on TFO is not just from the scene details, but N1 action- him being a watcher of XStor, AND explaining why he choose to watch XStor when nobody asked that question. Just alot of things that do not sit right with me concerning his actions.

This is the problem I have had with you all game going back to the VT and Doc being able to communicate, which is your interpretation of things. You continually speak as if something is fact when you obviously have no clue or understanding of how things work.

Yup I agree and it's tiring.


@ jonty: please elaborate on your point of view as there is no logic to me there. If you have no doubt that rugbirn is a third party doc, why would you see him so much as a threat? Even greg agrees that he d kill the vt over the third party doc lol.
Your demonstrations so far are flawed so I guess you have an agenda. Also, it seems like I the only one here who has a problem with your PR and your lack of explanation as how this happened out of the blue. You are being a pile of oddities so far.

Unvote, vote jonty

[Rugbirn]

My interpretation of Strike's comment is that the poisoning of XStor (in the scene) was flavor as opposed to anything other than a NK. However, we still do NOT know who killed XStor, but we do NOT have a poisoner N+1.

@MoB - My feelings on TFO is not just from the scene details, but N1 action- him being a watcher of XStor, AND explaining why he choose to watch XStor when nobody asked that question. Just alot of things that do not sit right with me concerning his actions.

This is the problem I have had with you all game going back to the VT and Doc being able to communicate, which is your interpretation of things. You continually speak as if something is fact when you obviously have no clue or understanding of how things work.

IB, I don't know what you are talking about! I said it was my interpretation of what Strike said - NOT FACT. And I DO know for fact that unless I was role-blocked N1 (which would be rather strange with 16 players) that there is NO poisoner based on my action N1 and Strike's confirmation. You do NOT have to believe this FACT if you want to ignore it.

[Rugbirn]

My interpretation of Strike's comment is that the poisoning of XStor (in the scene) was flavor as opposed to anything other than a NK. However, we still do NOT know who killed XStor, but we do NOT have a poisoner N+1.

@MoB - My feelings on TFO is not just from the scene details, but N1 action- him being a watcher of XStor, AND explaining why he choose to watch XStor when nobody asked that question. Just alot of things that do not sit right with me concerning his actions.

This is the problem I have had with you all game going back to the VT and Doc being able to communicate, which is your interpretation of things. You continually speak as if something is fact when you obviously have no clue or understanding of how things work.

IB, I don't know what you are talking about! I said it was my interpretation of what Strike said - NOT FACT. And I DO know for fact that unless I was role-blocked N1 (which would be rather strange with 16 players) that there is NO poisoner based on my action N1 and Strike's confirmation. You do NOT have to believe this FACT if you want to ignore it.