Sherwood Forest Mafia - Game Over, Town Wins!

[autoload]

good point, not happy about the insult tho!

Get used to it Junior. This is called Character Development and it will make you better in the long run. I know I have had what seemed like more than my fair share of it while growing up...

[Aegnor]

Why did you say threats instead of threat? Pretty convincing now that we know Mandy wasn't a Merry Man if you ask me...

I said threats because that's what my WC says. What does it say about the game? I don't know. What else can I say? I'm a ranger, and I'm pro town, as proved by my actions already.

[spinwizard]

good point, not happy about the insult tho!

Get used to it Junior. This is called Character Development and it will make you better in the long run. I know I have had what seemed like more than my fair share of it while growing up...

watch it!

[Incandenza]

That's some nice diggin', auto... (other than the part of me being scum, of course )... The thing, tho, is that again, if AK was scum, why would he so publicly align himself with his mafia brethren?

A larger point: has it struck anyone else as odd that the black quarrell killer has taken out 2 mafia in as many nights? Does this perhaps account for the possibility of people switching sides, in that the mafia will no matter what lose a person a night and will need reinforcements?

[wicked]

come on!! I wanna see the archery!!! start shooting people!!

[spinwizard]

pitty u did not get the chance, eh!

[willis]

AK did seem a little defensive in the beginning after mandy's "accusations". But that was just mandy being mandy, and basing them off of practically nothing. So AK looks a little scummy to me at the moment.

[Aegnor]

That's some nice diggin', auto... (other than the part of me being scum, of course )... The thing, tho, is that again, if AK was scum, why would he so publicly align himself with his mafia brethren?

A larger point: has it struck anyone else as odd that the black quarrell killer has taken out 2 mafia in as many nights? Does this perhaps account for the possibility of people switching sides, in that the mafia will no matter what lose a person a night and will need reinforcements?

Actually that's a nice theory there, what are the odds that out of 2 nights, 2 scum would go down? Either we have a psychic Vig, or something weird is going on.

[pancakemix]

Aegnor, have you been watching me?

[pancakemix]

More evidence to come: Pancake has visited no one tonight. Unless he's Robin Hood himself, we can assume he's not scum.

Forget my last post, I missed this one.

[AK_iceman]

Vote-moz

I have a theory on why the night phase lasted so long, and I'm 80% sure I'm correct.

So what is your theory AK? My guess would be that it has something to do with me not being online during the weekends. Is that right?

Yep, you nailed it. You're the only player that I know doesn't log on during the weekend, and this night phase was perfectly timed with your offline hours. Would you like to roleclaim now, or at lynch-1?

Aimless will not hold up the game because some scum didn't get his night choice submitted in time.

FoS: AK_iceman
I'm dangerously close to voting you my friend.

Good work auto, but did you happen to notice that the night phase was 4 days long before he even posted an explanation? Day was supposed to begin on Sunday, but it ended up beginning late Monday night. Something was causing him to wait, and my best guess is that it was moz.

[Incandenza]

Vote-moz

I have a theory on why the night phase lasted so long, and I'm 80% sure I'm correct.

So what is your theory AK? My guess would be that it has something to do with me not being online during the weekends. Is that right?

Yep, you nailed it. You're the only player that I know doesn't log on during the weekend, and this night phase was perfectly timed with your offline hours. Would you like to roleclaim now, or at lynch-1?

Aimless will not hold up the game because some scum didn't get his night choice submitted in time.

FoS: AK_iceman
I'm dangerously close to voting you my friend.

Good work auto, but did you happen to notice that the night phase was 4 days long before he even posted an explanation? Day was supposed to begin on Sunday, but it ended up beginning late Monday night. Something was causing him to wait, and my best guess is that it was moz.

But doesn't this theory presuppose that either A) moz is a moron or B) Aimless is a vacillating mod?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but day 2 ended Thursday afternoon/evening. Now, even with moz gone during the weekend, he still had plenty of time to send in his night choice. Failing that, he could have sent it in thursday afternoon with a note like "hey, I'm gone during the weekend, but here's who I want dead". If he was scum, and did neither, then he's not that bright. And I think we can agree that 'not bright' doesn't exactly describe him to a T.

And even if moz didn't send in his choice until Monday, would Aimless really hold up the game for him? Aim's stated reasoning for day 3 starting so late was that he had to set up the archery contest. Now, I have no freaking idea what that entails, but it seems like a good enough reason. Plus, this is his second game as a mod, so I don't find it super likely that he's let the deadline expire and still keep us waiting. I have to agree with auto on this one.

Besides, "moz must be scum since he's been away on weekends" seems to come up in every game I've seen him play, so I'm inclined to not look upon such a theory with much charity.

There's another thing that occurred to me. So we already know who two of the scum were: wicked and ank. That's two high-profile players right there. So, given that the roles were assigned randomly, I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that moz is in their ranks. I haven't played this as much as some people, but I haven't seen an all-vet mafia before. It could happen, certainly, but I find it more likely that we will find another mafia in the ranks of the lower-profile players. This is one of the reasons that I've been such a pain in the ass about the submariners.

[AK_iceman]

Damn, you're right Inca. I thought that the Night had started on Friday for some reason and was going off that. I know this'll make me look guilty now, but honestly it was just a mistake. Moz is anything but stupid, and I was just looking for a reason why the Night phase would have lasted longer than usual.

Unvote - Moz

That said, I think auto's case holds the most water for now, although I would like to see how this archery contest plays out first. I am not involved in the contest (ie. not one of the competitors) because I was informed I have no skill whatsoever with a bow. Is there someone who IS in the contest that can explain how it's being done? Do you PM the mod, or is the whole contest going to happen publicly?

[wicked]

moz is a moron

QFT!!

[dominationnation]

Damn, you're right Inca. I thought that the Night had started on Friday for some reason and was going off that. I know this'll make me look guilty now, but honestly it was just a mistake. Moz is anything but stupid, and I was just looking for a reason why the Night phase would have lasted longer than usual.

Unvote - Moz

That said, I think auto's case holds the most water for now, although I would like to see how this archery contest plays out first. I am not involved in the contest (ie. not one of the competitors) because I was informed I have no skill whatsoever with a bow. Is there someone who IS in the contest that can explain how it's being done? Do you PM the mod, or is the whole contest going to happen publicly?

your right ak that does make you look bad. VOTE AK Ive been suspecious of you for a while and now Im nearly sure. and I was just going to ask for some clarity on the archary contest. any nobels with some skill want to enlighten us? im assuming that you pm aimless otherwise we would know who had archary skills and who doesnt. That could help us pick out the mafia easily.

[for dummies]

to AK: yeah your thing about moz makes no sense.

To Incandenza: i see your point about the all veteran mafia, but what it is possible that the mafia is all veterans. This is a big game, most of the best players on the site are playing. you never know what aimless might do.

To anyone: i second the question about the archers contest. i also have zero skill and am wondering what exactly is going on

[pancakemix]

For Dummies, I think we just sit back and watch. Aside from the contest that we don't participate in, today is normal. I would like to know a little more about this contest myself.

[Incandenza]

to AK: yeah your thing about moz makes no sense.

To Incandenza: i see your point about the all veteran mafia, but what it is possible that the mafia is all veterans. This is a big game, most of the best players on the site are playing. you never know what aimless might do.

To anyone: i second the question about the archers contest. i also have zero skill and am wondering what exactly is going on

But it's not about what Aimless would do. The roles are random, right? (right?) I'm not discounting the possibility of an all-vet mafia, I'm just saying that probability doesn't favor it. And you're right, there's a pretty good concentration of the top players in this game, but there's also a decent amount of, well, not-quite-so-top players.

I too would like to know more about the archery, but I have a feeling that anyone with archery skill won't necessarily want to cop to it, especially since the prevailing mood is pretty trigger-happy toward the possibility of Robin Hood winning the contest. I can totally see a situation where someone explains how they're supposed to proceed in the contest, only for us to holler "mafia!" and lynch him. Let's see how the first round goes.

[Guilty_Biscuit]

I'd like to know if we get the results of the contest today.

[autoload]

That's some nice diggin', auto... (other than the part of me being scum, of course )... The thing, tho, is that again, if AK was scum, why would he so publicly align himself with his mafia brethren?

A larger point: has it struck anyone else as odd that the black quarrell killer has taken out 2 mafia in as many nights? Does this perhaps account for the possibility of people switching sides, in that the mafia will no matter what lose a person a night and will need reinforcements?

To answer your first part, at the early stage of the game maybe wicked and friends were arrogant enough to try and sweep the suspicions under the rug. We have all seen examples after the games are finished of where these events happened. I mean, mafia doesn't always distance themselves.

To address your Black Quarrel killer... It's a seldom used role, but maybe we have a bus driver amongst our midst. I don't know how we can fit that role in this setting, but who knows? I feel almost as foolish suggesting it as I would have suggested we had a Jester in the game.

And the peasants don't switch sides as full recruits. We just have to decide which side looks most likely to win and stick with them. We don't count amongst the numbers of whichever side wins. This has been said before and I'm surprised you would neglect remembering that piece of info.

[autoload]

Actually that's a nice theory there, what are the odds that out of 2 nights, 2 scum would go down? Either we have a psychic Vig, or something weird is going on.

Well it's not too hard to imagine a Vig killing wicked as she is always a prime target and has the impression of always getting scum roles. Anarkist was an antagonistic type of player and maybe whoever killed wicked got mad at anarkist?

In any case, I say we just let the Black Quarrel Bandit do his thing and try not to identify him.

[autoload]

That said, I think auto's case holds the most water for now,

Recap: My main target today for a Lynch is AK. Mainly because he and Anarkist both vehemently urged the rest of us to disregard Mandy's theories. His theories of course being that AK, wicked and Aegnor are scum. He was right about wicked...

Oh really? Did you ignore my attacks on you in an attempt to let the problem float away?

[AK_iceman]

@ Auto - No, Mandy had no idea who was Mafia during Day 1 when he was making claims left and right. He pointed out at least 5 people and tried making cases against all of them, but none of them made any sense. Then wicked gets killed and we find out she was mafia. Mandy was just guessing and it's a coincedence that he got 1 out of 5. You know it, and I know it. BTW, weren't you suspected by Mandy? So according to your theory we would have to suspect you too?

[dominationnation]

Actually that's a nice theory there, what are the odds that out of 2 nights, 2 scum would go down? Either we have a psychic Vig, or something weird is going on.

Well it's not too hard to imagine a Vig killing wicked as she is always a prime target and has the impression of always getting scum roles. Anarkist was an antagonistic type of player and maybe whoever killed wicked got mad at anarkist?

In any case, I say we just let the Black Quarrel Bandit do his thing and try not to identify him.

agreed. all that identifying him would do is give the mafia an easy target to kill.

[got tonkaed]

I have to say that i think Autos efforts are pretty air tight. although id have to do some hunting to day 1 in the thread (and who wants to do that) i remember pointing out that ak and wicked seemed to be defending one another and aligning themselves. Quickly afterward there was a bit of quiet distancing. I think auto has cited numerous bits of evidence which should make Ak the prime suspect today, though im not 100 percent sold by some of the things incandeza has said - his bit about the black quarrel seems to be in an effort to make this game incredibly complex....when its just as likely that the autos vig scenario is possible.

Either way, one would assume the archery contest will help to shed some light on numerous different details in the game. I have to think with robin hood, his charcter is probably compelled to try and win the contest no matter what, and like incan mentions, there possibly is some kind of incentive to protect him if he wins.