The Village of Secrets [GAME OVER] Werewolves Win!

[kgb007]

There's a chance MP is right and sausage is a mafia RB. No one has counter claimed cop and of the two roles, RB is more likely to be a mafia role. Spiesr is correct, MP, with his claim, has basically turned into a MP vs sausage situation. I think the safer play be would be to lynch the RB so that he absolutely couldn't roleblock jak tonight, in theory, it guarantees jak can eliminate MP at night if we mislynch sausage. The flip side is if the majority is more than 50% confident that MP is scum, we press our luck, lynch MP and hope jak gets another scum/anti town/vamp at night. Still haven't decided who I'm playing my vote for though.

[jak111]

Sausage may very well be a mafia roleblocker, but assuming he is, he'd still need me to make a kill. Because simply blocking me and letting a threat to everyone possibly grow would be a bad play on his part.

But you guys are playing on possibilities and playing with complete WIFOM. Play according to how they have been playing. kgb, you brought up the point that MP pushed for Sausage's head while he was on vacation. Would a town player really stoop that low?

I know very well if we kill MP I risk being blocked, which hopefully if Sausage is mafia he decides to try to block a vampire instead. Heck, if we mislynch I run the risk of dying if there's a 3rd mafia out there seeking revenge for the two buddies of his I've killed so far.

But according to how each of them have played, MP is the scummiest of the two.

I can't even shake that loose that he waits until Sausage is on vacation to bring it up. That's such a low blow. Even if you're against the guy.

[spiesr]

I hope pcm and spiesr, two experienced player vets with me can see the timing in MP's claim to coincide when Sausage would be on vacation.

I see that it happened but don't feel like assuming it was a deliberate attempt to get him lynched while he was gone. Whatsausage's expected return was before the deadline and if ever there was a situation where it would be okay to lynch someone when they are away them having already claimed and the reason for the lynch being a investigation that they can really say much in defence of goes a long way towards being it.

I know very well if we kill MP I risk being blocked, which hopefully if Sausage is mafia he decides to try to block a vampire instead.

Since is it pretty much common knowledge that you would be expected to kill whatsausage in the event that Mudpuupy flips town I can't imagine him using a roleblock (if he had one) on anyone else in that situation. Or are you suggesting that you wouldn't kill him?

This doesn't really clear anything up but I might as well get it out there. I am town match maker, during N1 I had to choose two players to be joined. If one died, so did the other. I wasn't prepared to use my action but Mod pointed out that I must, so in a rush I chose IB and Hotshot. Early in D2, I realized my error but at that point it was already done.

Can we get a bit more detail here? Your joining of IB & Hotshot on Night 1 lasted how long? What did you do Night 2?

Jak, can you tell me what exactly you hope to gain from lynching Mudpuppy?

[jak111]

Jak, can you tell me what exactly you hope to gain from lynching Mudpuppy?

You mean BESIDES the real scum of the two? Oh I don't know, maybe buying us a mislynch to use in the future in case we screw up due to stuff like this.

Seriously, I believe MP is not who he says he is. You're not one that usually take claims like this at face value.

Saying what I will and wont do at night will help no-one, we're going under the pretense that Sausage is scum when I don't believe he is.

But hey, let's kill the guy that is basically the doc in reverse of what he looks for. Town roleblockers are as common if not more so than mafia roleblockers. To say that 100% there's a cop in this game is to play the mod. While we're talking about what Sausage may be (mafia roleblocker), what can MP be that would truly screw us over? Mafia busdriver, I've seen those before, they're pretty common and a royal pain in the arse when we're doing night actions. Who knows, maybe he's even a cop but for the mafia instead of the town.

It's all WIFOM to go off of what they could really be. Hell, perhaps Sausage even has a miller perk that makes him show up as anti-town when investigated. No one even stopped to think about that possibility.

But no, I'm dead set on this. I do not trust MP with that claim, I am pretty certain I'm right in this. (Not going to use percentages because I know how much you love to take that at face value).

[Jmac1026]

You were pretty sure me and Jonty were scum too. You aren't infallible.

[spiesr]

Jak, can you tell me what exactly you hope to gain from lynching Mudpuppy?

You mean BESIDES the real scum of the two? Oh I don't know, maybe buying us a mislynch to use in the future in case we screw up due to stuff like this.

What I meant Jak, is that you already know that isn't a vampire. So why are you so set on lynching him since it wouldn't advance your claimed win condition? Maybe you should act like someone with your claimed win condition rather than someone pretending to be town.
(Also if he isn't a vampire then lynching him won't stave off endgame any as even if he is mafia he would be like the only one left.)

[StorrZerg]

what the frak is going on QQ

[Anarkistsdream]

I'd love to get Anark's thoughts on this as he's the only one I fully trust as far as being town goes.

Ive told all of you since Day 1 that whatsausage was scummy....

Unvote
Vote Whatsausage

Told you, guys... Nobody listens to me... It's like being the old man who warns the youngsters, but they never listen until the shit hits the fan...

[jak111]

spiesr, why are you so against me helping town?

Why do I want MP?
1.) If MP is mafia, he's a threat to me as I killed TWO of his buddies.
2.) I believe Sausage is town, what does that do for any of you? It kills one more town member and gives mafia ANOTHER night kill.

We'll be down to 9 people going into the night, I kill someone, MP kills someone and going into tomorrow only 7 people will remain. If vampires are cult and have been successfully recruiting each night, that might be 4 vampires against 2 town + me.

4 is majority over 3, they win.

If I have to kill MP in the night when Sausage flips town, he still has a kill as well.

Unless we got a good doc, someone else besides him will die. It's frustrating trying to keep town from making the wrong bloody lynch with them not thinking about the consequence it has and refuse to dive a bit deeper into the two at play here. The whole "He claims cop, he must be telling the truth" is a mistake only new players make. spiesr is siding with MP because Sausage blocked him on the night of no kill. pcm is siding with MP because the "cop" so happens to clear him.

Go on, place two more votes on him, PROVE ME RIGHT. I want to watch Sausage flip and be able to say "I TOLD YOU SO" tomorrow.

[StorrZerg]

so we are l-1?

[Jmac1026]

Yes. If there are no major objections other than Jak, I'll hammer tomorrow.

[kgb007]

I haven't had time to go back and re read but sausage is only at L2 by my count

[StorrZerg]

yeah miss counted thought we needed 5.

btw jak, unless something else is not being shed i see no reason why we shouldn't be lynching MP. Sure there might be some "shady stuff"

Like pushing on the guy when we know he is not gonna be around.
Or when a lynch almost happened, and he pulled off on jmac "just in time"

Still, no one is counter claiming him as a cop. I am very inclined to think we have a cop in this game...

[spiesr]

Yes. If there are no major objections other than Jak, I'll hammer tomorrow.

Fine by me. Vote Whatsausage to actually get it to that point for you.
As mentioned earlier we basically have to lynch either him or Mudpuppy today. I will follow the cop in this matter. (It helps that I know that whatsauasage's claimed block on me didn't prevent a kill Night 1.)

[jak111]

I find it odd that mafia missed two nights in a row though. Anyone else thinking about kgb's claim (oh wait, everyone is busy trying to hang sausage for a bad reason no one remembered).

I don't think the doc is THAT good. The possibility of a roleblocker is high given the circumstances and no one has counter claimed him either.

I dislike this premature thinking that there must ALWAYS be a cop in a game. Some games there may not even be a doc.

Think about this as well, with the threat of a cult looming over our heads, what would make more sense, a cop/doc setup (meaning BOTH are in it) or a doc/roleblocker set-up. Doc cannot stop cult from recruiting, a roleblocker however CAN.

But yeah, every logical explanation I come up with is pushed aside because "well, MP is the cop claim with no cc so har har har he must be telling the truth". I have no cc, kgb has no cc, Sausage has no cc. No cc does not mean it's not a lie.

Go ahead, lynch him, the more people recruited to the vampires = more people losing when me and the rest of the town wipe them out of the game.

No, in fact, instead of waiting around and waiting for you guys to bicker at me the only guy even trying to think of more than one possibility. Unvote, Vote Sausage.

When he flips roleblocker, the doc better be on me in case MP can harm me. I will swiftly put an end to the fake cop claim tonight once I'm proven right with this flip.

[superkeener]

Official Vote Count 3.6
FINAL DAY 3 VOTE COUNT

Anarkistsdream (0):
jak111 (0):
Jmac1026 (1): virus90
kgb007 (0):
pancakemix (0):
MudPuppy (1): Whatsausage
spiesr (0):
virus90 (0):
LYNCHED Whatsausage (6): MudPuppy, pancakemix, StorrZerg, Anarkistsdream, spiesr, jak111
StorrZerg (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (2): Jmac1026, kgb007


Whatsausage, a Mafia Goon has been lynched.



Deadline for NIGHT 3 is: Wednesday, April 30, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

[Anarkistsdream]

TOOOOOOLD YOOOOOOU

[Whatsausage]

ooOOoooOOo...
Well I'll try not say too much from beyond the grave, but I thought I made a decent case in my one post I was able to make before everyone decided to believe a late claim... You'll all see tomorrow or if you're lucky the next day when the vampires have won. You remaining town better hope they choose you to recruit tonight

[superkeener]

The night began after the lynch brought about the 3rd mafia lynch. Before this entire thing happened the Villagers would have been thrilled to see mafia blood being poured. Now it seems the villagers are starting to wonder if maybe things were not so bad as long as the mafia had control of things. No one is safe now, not even a mason…

virus90 a Town Mason has been killed.

Day 4 begins now…


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Official Vote Count 4.0

Anarkistsdream (0):
jak111 (0):
Jmac1026 (0):
kgb007 (0):
pancakemix (0):
MudPuppy (0):
spiesr (0):
StorrZerg (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: Jmac1026, MudPuppy, spiesr, StorrZerg, kgb007, pancakemix, jak111, Anarkistsdream

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Deadline for DAY 4 is: Wednesday, May 7th, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

[jak111]

Hmmm, 3 nights in a row it seems my kills are the only thing getting through.

1.) Mafia had 2 nights to shoot, LOL FAIL!

2.) I think it's a safe bet vampires being cult.

I told virus if Sausage flipped mafia my kill would be in that list of 4.

So now with the new day we need a few things.

[list=]
[*]Cop investigation
[*]Mason claim (I think I know who, but I want it confirmed)[/list]

Final 8 (with their "claims")

• Anark ~ VT
• Jmac ~ VT
• MP ~ Cop
• Storr ~ ?
• spiesr ~ ?
• kgb ~ Matchmaker
• pcm ~ ?
• Jak111 ~ Vampire Hunter

Of the three unclaimed, one of them WILL be a mason. So the other two are up for trustworthy claims.

Thoughts?

[jak111]

^ You don't know how bad I want to edit that just to take the = sign out of the list to make the coding work...

[MudPuppy]

Thoughts?

You'll all see tomorrow or if you're lucky the next day when the vampires have won. You remaining town better hope they choose you to recruit tonight

If there is a recruiting vampire group out there, we're dead.

Why did you choose virus to shoot at out of those four, Jak?

[jak111]

If there is a recruiting vampire group out there, we're dead.

Why did you choose virus to shoot at out of those four, Jak?

You still need to out your results, right now they're to be out on the table EVERY SINGLE DAY at the START of the day. No waiting till we're half through it, I was ready to put an arrow through your head MP. Right now, you do not have the garlic, it is worn off by yesterday and the vampires know it. So if the vampires are a cult, chances of them trying to recruit you are high, because you can effectively "clear" them and cast "guilty" on the town.

I shot Virus due mostly to my lack of choices. But the deciding factors mostly were 1.) No claim. 2.) No reason not to. 3.) His lack of activity towards the end.

kgb and Jmac have claimed and Storr is active. Now with virus dead we have a auto-clear/chance for a counterclaim to find one more false guy left.

There's only three people left to claim. pcm can only be trusted for today (tonight no garlic protection).

@kgb, can you clarify your powers a bit more? Is it a one time use? (If so, the mod effectively made you a VT after forcing it N1).

Another odd thing to note... Scum had no PR's. Not a single PR. In a multi-anti-town game and with so many town PR's not one a single power seems odd and underpowered.

Since I am still alive, I am going to assume Sausage was the last one, but scum is definitely underpowered in this game.

I believe Sausage knew something about Vampires. Perhaps it mentioned them in his WC. I wish I had more cards to know more about them.

With this post, I am getting off for a while.

• MP, what did you find?
• kgb, answer my question.
• Anyone else have info?

[spiesr]

I shot Virus due mostly to my lack of choices. But the deciding factors mostly were 1.) No claim. 2.) No reason not to. 3.) His lack of activity towards the end.

"No reason not to?" The way I see it he had no reason to claim. I am the Mason.

Also Jak, what was your secondary action last Night?

[StorrZerg]

what does that even mean.

Have you guys been linked since the start?
Well virus is dead so we can't ask you both the same questions..

how does your mason power work