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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:38 pm

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kgb007 wrote:Oh Storr...you try to discredit me by deciding which of my words mean nothing and which are useful for your argument. I hope town sees how hard you are trying to lynch an innocent man if you are successful. Good luck getting 4 more votes...

Not sure how my claim was supposed to lend legitimacy to Sausage's, maybe you don't understand the context of how I used the word "colour".

Again that is why i asked you to explain it.


Whatsausage wrote:I am a town roleblocker. Night 1 I blocked spiesr, and night 2 I blocked storr. I wasn’t prepared to claim Day 2 from just one night’s results, but I feel like the changed results point pretty heavily towards spiesr being a killer and storr not. I got the feeling something was up with spiesr on Day 1, but it was just a feeling so I couldn’t really build a case. So I blocked him and then blocked someone else night 2 to see what changed. And judging from the change and his short posts that add little… I am going to go ahead and vote spiesr

FP'd like 3 times haha


We know Sausage to be scum now. He voted Spiesr yesterday - could be a misdirect but I doubt it. Just an opportunity to lynch spiesr given his fake results and that spiesr had been on jonty both D1 and D2. I find it convenient Sausage tries to clear you at the same time by saying he roleblocked you N2 so you couldn't possibly be associated with HotShot's death. I know that you weren't because of my actions but the rest of the town may have gone along with Sausage's thinking.

Yes i can agree that Spiesr looks very good if there is only 1 mafia faction. Well and by your claim, it wouldn't clear me. Still doesn't change that its likely they both got shot (so stop saying as "matter o fact they 100% died cause i linked them". Rather than "2 protective saves in a row" and if you remember, i made a play to prove him wrong. Yet was forced to retract it. Why do i make that play if i am with him.



Why do you care for my reads on Virus' reads? He's dead, he's town, the only thing he knew that I didn't was that he was masoned to spiesr. I'm not going to try and crawl into his mind to understand the reasoning behind his voting. What does that do for me?

No. not your read on him. His reads. Ok lets not look at dead town reads because they mean nothing. You are right we can not learn anything about dead town people. (ok jokes, you can 100% learn stuff off now confirmed towns. How they pushed who they pushed hard on.) its actually bothersome that you consider it to mean nothing.


StorrZerg wrote:Cool, interesting thought. So why then does my change in behavior mean i've been converted? Wouldn't i keep up the passion? I'll tell you what though. I made a push, i was wrong things like that happen in mafia. Deal is, if you think i was converted, then you have to think i wasn't the original "cult leader" If that is the case, who is the cult leader? Who am i linked to?


Ah...the change in your behavior, at least you acknowledge it. Maybe it means you've been converted or maybe it means that since Jak outed vamps, the recruiter (possibly you) is keeping a lower profile during the day. It's curious that you quickly make a distinction between the possibility of being converted but not being the recruiter. You could be linked to yourself.

like the deal is you keep saying stuff, but you are not explaining what it means if it means anything. I'd like you to comprise your allegations with quotes, so that others can see your points clearly. Cause it doesn't matter what i think to everyone else. I know its bull, and that you are reaching. In fact i'm the hardest person you have pushed all game. THAT IS interesting.

I don't understand how you think I'm implying I claimed before MP did? And I didn't favor Sausage as the "clean guy" that was Jak - he was adamant that MP was the scum after the cop claim so I proposed this scenario to Jak:

Today you made at post, it look like you claimed prior to MP claim. Which is why i was confused, and quoted 3 posts from you that didn't seem to line up.

kgb007 wrote:@jak you value the RB role more than cop right? how would you feel about lynching the claimed cop in MP and seeing which way he flips. If he's town, you get Sausage in the night, if he's mafia, you're free to target spiesr or jmac or whoever.

unvote I'm thoroughly confused



You quote just about every one of my posts from D3 except the one below which is my very next and subsequently last post from D3:

kgb007 wrote:There's a chance MP is right and sausage is a mafia RB. No one has counter claimed cop and of the two roles, RB is more likely to be a mafia role. Spiesr is correct, MP, with his claim, has basically turned into a MP vs sausage situation. I think the safer play be would be to lynch the RB so that he absolutely couldn't roleblock jak tonight, in theory, it guarantees jak can eliminate MP at night if we mislynch sausage. The flip side is if the majority is more than 50% confident that MP is scum, we press our luck, lynch MP and hope jak gets another scum/anti town/vamp at night. Still haven't decided who I'm playing my vote for though.


Jak hammers less than a day later and since my would-be vote from D3 doesn't matter to you, I won't say who I ultimately would have voted for. :D I did find it odd that MP waited as long as he did to reveal his results given that earlier Sausage had announced he would be away but I don't think I mentioned it more than the one time - not sure that qualifies as pushing but ok.

You say one thing, yet actions from you don't happen. Your end result came very late in comparison. Faster than jak sure, but very late regarding others. In the end, you say you are not decided, unsure. Not sure what this even does for you in making you look "townie" since it doesn't.

As to my mistake on my role play - I'm assuming you mean an excerpt during my rambling claim. What I meant by that is the ideal scenario would have been to match two anti-town players instead of scum & town. Back on D2 when Jak was being all mysterious about his reads on VTs and I went back to read D1 and announce, I came to the same conclusion that HotShot was probably a VT. My N1 action was rushed as I stated before since there was a discrepancy between the mod and I on whether I had to use my action or not so I was not afforded the same opportunity to re-read. 1 for 2 ain't bad though! And if you think about it, if mafia performed a kill against HotShot, it would have cost them one of their own. A fair tradeoff given we hopefully outnumber town and HotShot was only a VT.

Idk i Think the picks = "FINE" It would have been better imo to OUT, your claim before the deaths, it could have confirmed you as well. I think its odd that you are "working yourself up" regarding the picks. Now if you really thought hotshot was town then yes, it was probably a very very bad choice. even with you explaining now, it still feels "weird" Deal is, your claim doesn't hold up today or any day forward unless someone claims something to prove they both died because of 1 shot. Or knowing a shot failed. So conclusion then is that your claim means nothing, and i am going to read you based off your actions, and interpret your posts and explain my reasoning as to why you acted "townie" or "scummy"

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kgb007 wrote:vote storr you'll hate my reasoning but let's have a claim, I also didn't care for your joke about not being cleared by jak yesterday


Again, you will notice, he has a habbit of pushing votes with 0 reasoning. I do find it interesting that you bring up the "joke" as "not a reason"


As for my vote against you and the reasoning (or lack of reasoning if you'd like) I'm freely admitting that my vote against jmac and you are to pressure for claims, always have been. Would scum do/admit that? And again you're misunderstanding - you can't say that me bringing up your poorly worded joke from yesterday is "not a reason". It actually IS a reason.

Can you admit to anything else at this point? Can you even conclude to any reason why jmac is scummy in your own words? What how are you saying the joke is a reason now? when in your quote you say you didn't care for it. Is this a joke?

My vote stays pending new information and if Storr isn't lynched and Jmac is, I'd like Jak to target Storr during the night

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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby kgb007 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:13 pm

Unbelievable Storr, it's like we're speaking different languages.

I'm getting tired breaking down your nonsense. Unless other players want to chime in, let's not go off the rails and dominate our daylight by going back and forth 14 times. Feel free to respond, I'm fine with you getting the last word since I know which side of the fence I fall on but I'd rather not engage anymore.

HotShot did NOT get shot, he was matched IB bc of my actions from N1 and IB was killed by Jak during N2.

I understand that you're asking for my reads on Virus' reads, not my read on Virus. Please re-read before posting because I don't think it's that difficult to understand. I'm not going to go back and look at a dead townie's reads on players. He's town, his guess was as good as mine and if it's all the same to you (which apparently it's not), I'll stick to mine. You complain that I don't explain myself but you're putting words into my mouth by saying that "they (dead players' reads) mean nothing." My quote is right there LOL. Don't paraphrase, it makes you look silly.

Yeah, you're right. You are the hardest person I've been pushing bc you're pushing me when I know I'm town. No one else is questioning my claim except you. Again, good luck getting 4 more votes.

You're admitting that I never tried to imply I claimed before MP. Fix the grammar and make a coherent sentence please as people reading our novels may gloss over this pettiness (I know I sure would). Posts tend not to make sense when taken out of context/order.

As for my indecision - yes I like to be sure of myself before voting in the latter stages of a day. Admittedly, I'm not always right in my decision but that's not really the point since nobody is right all the time. Excuse me for wanting to read everything with the proper mindset before casting my vote. (Btw I still haven't re-read D3 since Sausage flipped). I value my time off during the weekends so I wasn't in the mood to sit in front of a computer on a Saturday/Sunday when the deadline is Tuesday. I can't control the voting of others if they want to hammer in the meantime.

And we come full circle back to Sausage's fake claim. Why would I announce my action ahead of time? It gives mafia the heads up to work around HotShot to save one of their own. You can question it all you'd like and apparently no amount of convincing on my part or anyone else's (since no one will be able to verify my claim) so let's just agreed that you don't believe my matchmaker claim and move on, shall we?

Can I put into words why jmac is scummy? Funny you ask since you quoted the very post where I acknowledge it's nothing but a gut feeling that I don't buy his claim.

I could vote you for any number of reasons (for example: that you changed your CC name, that you posted 236 paragraphs D1 to appear to be helpful, that you made an awful joke D3, that you freely admit your behavior changed on D3 once Jak mentioned vampires, that a known mafia member (Sausage) tried to clear you with his fake claim, that you don't bother to make sure some of your comments are decipherable, that you're trying to shift the focus away from my vote on you onto the fact that I voted Jmac yesterday for no other reason than to pressure for a claim and how you won't succumb to such pressure during your attempted take down of me.) Whether or not you deem them worthy of your consideration and claim is another argument.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby Anarkistsdream on Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:41 pm

Pancakemix is scum... It is obvious... He has shown up at the beginning of every day, thrown a bunch of accusations and bs on everyone, but never stayed around afterwards to keep up with his shit.

He is scum... No one believes me ever... But I can tell... So.... Do with it what you will.

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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:58 pm

So then you are certain he is God father then anark?
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby spiesr on Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:05 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Pancakemix is scum... It is obvious... He has shown up at the beginning of every day, thrown a bunch of accusations and bs on everyone, but never stayed around afterwards to keep up with his shit.

He is scum... No one believes me ever... But I can tell... So.... Do with it what you will.
What sort of scum do you think he might be? We may very well be in a situation where just hitting a scum isn't good enough. If there really is a cult then we need to hit the recruiter today. Unless the hypothetical cult was really bad at recruiting it is too late for us to get by killing the recruits. If Jak's claim is true then pancakemix couldn't be the recruiter since he didn't die to garlic. If Jak's claim if false then he should be our lynch target. So, which of there do you think it is?
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby spiesr on Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:16 pm

MudPuppy wrote:Truth is my crystal ball broke after two reads (my limit)... I'm now effectively a VT.
When were you informed of this?
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kgb007 wrote:I'd like you to answer spiesr's question as to what will compel you to claim if the fear of getting your townie self lynched isn't enough...
Easy, an actual accusation as to why i am mafia, and what makes me scum. screw claiming cause "o i want you to claim cause i can't think for myself"
This answer is not acceptable. In case you are not aware, the "evidence" against you at the time was more than enough to lynch you around here. (Especially with you responding to it with what I will characterise as refusing to cooperate.) So, let me ask again why did you refuse to claim? And if you wouldn't do so at L-2 with an investigation against you when would you claim? I mean it is practically mass claim time then/now anyway.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby StorrZerg on Thu May 01, 2014 12:37 am

So i say when i would claim. and you are mad at me for not claiming when the situation didn't happen? I've never said i would claim at L-2. I've said i would claim if people pushed on me and claimed i was scummy with reasons. And tbh, i would rather claim AFTER i made an attempt to defend myself.

No one pushed with anything scummy.

kgb "i want a claim" (so i don't count this)

MP, pulls the "check on me" First reaction is, fk you your scum. Yet, he got a correct lynch on mafia the previous day. So thinking this, and i know im town its a fake play. just has to be. (miller is possible i suppose from the outside view)
and who jumps on it next? The next huge bandwagoner that was nearly lynched BUT SAVED (by a mafia fake claim) previous day JMAC

So With my view of 2 scummy people pushing me and the likely not real cop claim. GUESS WHAT not even a few mins after MP pulls the claim off. Maybe i would have claimed if the push was more. I felt no need to claim.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby MudPuppy on Thu May 01, 2014 5:53 am

spiesr wrote:
MudPuppy wrote:Truth is my crystal ball broke after two reads (my limit)... I'm now effectively a VT.
When were you informed of this?

From the start... nothing happened to make me lose my ability.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby StorrZerg on Thu May 01, 2014 2:46 pm

Well. mp thoughts on today?
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby StorrZerg on Thu May 01, 2014 2:51 pm

Also, hey jak, who do you think the cult leader is
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby jak111 on Thu May 01, 2014 3:36 pm

Hmm, it is possible the garlic does not effect the leader, but that is complete WIFOM and guess work (like a cop would receive innocent on a God Father type role the same could be the vampire leader being old and wise enough or powerful or whatever and not be effected by my actions).

Again, that's WIFOM. I don't believe pcm is a vampire (I'm wrong every other day it seems, so who the hell knows). My best guess at a vampire leader would be Storr, kgb or spiesr.

(Let me explain the spiesr scenario). If spiesr recruited the other mason, that mason which is now vampire could give up that claim to keep spiesr safe. Do I believe it's him, probably not.

kgb's claim, while it explains N2, we have NO docs or any protective roles claimed out there. Which means mafia most likely DID get a kill N2.

N1 cannot be explained without a roleblocker/doc. Everyone except pcm and Storr have claimed, pcm said he was not the doc when I said I believed he was, so that leaves Storr as a protective role of some sort.

That rules him out from being the cult leader unless someone wants to admit to lying and say they're the protective role <.<.

Before we go at each other's necks today. Let's try to make N1, N2 and N3 clearer.

Add to this as much as each person can to give us a clear view.

Night 1, I killed rishaed, mafia somehow did not get a kill.
Night 2, I killed IB (kgb claims HotShot died because he made them lovers). So mafia supposedly did not get a kill again.
Night 3, I killed virus, no other kills because mafia is presumably defeated (seriously, 4 mafia would be OP as hell, even though 3 mafia with no powers is underpowered).
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby MudPuppy on Thu May 01, 2014 3:48 pm

StorrZerg wrote:Well. mp thoughts on today?

My hope is that superkeener created jak's character to basically be a paranoid psychotic vigilante who thinks vampires are invading the town when really there is no such thing as vamps. Either that or he's just an SK with a vivid imagination. I definitely find it odd that we have this Jak The All-Powerful Vampire Slayer claim with half the town dead and no vamps to show for it.

It's possible we have a larger non-killing mafia faction.

Confirming who is town is tricky with the cult and godfather possibilities out there. I think I'd want to keep Jak alive one more day... just in case we do find a vamp today/tonight.

kgb claim is a tough read for me. I'm inclined to believe him since I saw him as town before his claim... but I'd feel much better about it if HotShot had "killed himself." Still have suspicions on jmac but nothing super-strong. Short of a counter-claim, spiesr is my biggest town read. pcm is a good godfather candidate... otherwise I think he's town (assuming not converted to vampirism). I don't completely buy the super-town read on Anark that some do but I'm definitely leaning that way (assuming not converted). If there is a cult then Anark & pcm are top candidates for recruitment.

If I were to vote today, it would be for Storr. For pushing Jonty so hard and blowing off my concerns about N1 actions not jiving with his scumness. I initially assumed my anti-town sausage reading meant he was a vamp. So, Storr going along with the Whatsausage lynch made me think he's town... but, if a Storr's a vamp, he'd love to see Mafia Sausage dead.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby StorrZerg on Thu May 01, 2014 4:44 pm

care to relive day 3 at all MP?

facts of what i did do.
yes i did vote against spiesr after the fake role block claim. I honestly thought it was really silly jmac was going to be lynched with "wow bad claim / i want claim / no content / no discussion"
I was then directly asked if my action went. Which my response was "yes my action happened"
Which should have sparked something, instead it just went to another lynch on jmac. At which point i needed to pull the claim off. Can't afford someone to hammer in that situation.

After all that You MP then pulled off jmac. There was imo plenty of time for someone to hammer jmac to push it over before your claim. Specially since Sausage didn't have to claim and pull heat off Jmac.

People who had the option to hammer, StorrZerg, spiesr, pancakemix. Didn't though...
I'm clearly looking for discussion.
I pushed really hard, on "logic" regarding to believe you and go with the lynch.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby pancakemix on Thu May 01, 2014 8:53 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Pancakemix is scum... It is obvious... He has shown up at the beginning of every day, thrown a bunch of accusations and bs on everyone, but never stayed around afterwards to keep up with his shit.

He is scum... No one believes me ever... But I can tell... So.... Do with it what you will.

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Yo, it's finals week. I'm lucky I managed a post in yesterday. Where were you at the start of today, since you're so uppity about where I was?

As far as "keeping up with my shit" is concerned, as far as I can tell jak has yet to really respond to my posts, opting to post insults instead. Now he's straight up ignoring it after I laid it out plain again.

If you believe jak, I can't be scum. If you don't believe jak, you should lynch him because that would make him scum. Pick your poison.

Hmm, it is possible the garlic does not effect the leader, but that is complete WIFOM and guess work


God, because that would be out of the ordinary with you this game... :roll:
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Official Vote Count 4.1

Postby superkeener on Thu May 01, 2014 11:53 pm

Official Vote Count 4.1

Anarkistsdream (0):
jak111 (1): pancakemix
Jmac1026 (1): jak111
kgb007 (0):
pancakemix (1): Anarkistsdream
MudPuppy (0):
spiesr (0):
StorrZerg (2): kgb007, Jmac1026

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (3) spiesr, StorrZerg, MudPuppy

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Deadline for DAY 4 is: Wednesday, May 7th, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby StorrZerg on Sat May 03, 2014 12:41 pm

yes lets lynch some scum...
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby StorrZerg on Sat May 03, 2014 12:51 pm

well i still have my thoughts on kgb...

ill be real now though.
anark wanting to lynch pcm feels weird. yet it doesnt seem to be for scummy motivation imo.it is so against the grain, just cant see a mafia doing that this day imo.

jak is weird. i think we should be calling for his shot and voting on it. it would be great for more people to talk about this.

@mudpuppy say what you have to say. talk to me. you are a smart guy, nearly all claims are out. and its likely they dont matter if a cult is alive. should be looking for a group, i dont have one obviusly. if i was with a cult, i would have others pushing to save me, or push a miss lynch for the win.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby jak111 on Sat May 03, 2014 1:21 pm

StorrZerg wrote:jak is weird.


Yes, I am weird, that's besides the point. What exactly is meant by this stand-alone sentence? "jak is weird" is that supposed to attack my feelings or something? Not very effective.

Interesting though without me posting every other hour activity goes from a post every hour or so to no post for over 24 hours.

That speaks pages for how much others are waiting on me to do/say something. I'll let town have a vote on where I place my shot tonight, not a problem.

But I asked everyone a question in the other page. What the hell happened N1 and N2? Why did mafia fail to kill? Everyone seems to deny being a doc and no real roleblocker or busdriver or anything. I doubt the mafia shot rishaed N1, so their kill HAD to go through.

Right now, either pcm or Storr know something about N1 and N2 and are holding back, or someone who has claimed is lying their ass off.

If you're town and STOPPED a mafia kill, there's no need to continue lying. But we need a better fuller picture about what's going on.

Another scenario I can think for vampires is that they are not cult. That they might be just a 1-2 man killing faction waiting for the numbers to drop to where if I kill someone and they kill someone in the night, they win. I can't prove that claim the same as I can't prove the cult claim. I can't prove it because someone is holding back information that could be vital to understanding this enemy. If you saved someone N1 and N2 it IS a possibility (albeit, very low and rare) that you stopped a mafia kill AND a vampire kill attempt.

Or if you tracked/watched someone visit someone and it seems like it did nothing to you but might very well be a recruitment.

Right now the only protective things I could see are a busdriver, a roleblocker and a doc. Busdriver could not explain the N1 fail kill of mafia though. Roleblocker did not cc Sausage, so I doubt that.

PCM denies being the doc, so unless Storr is the town's doc, we need a better explanation of what the hell is going on. N1 right now I believe is key to what we're up against.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby StorrZerg on Sat May 03, 2014 2:38 pm

deal is protective role cant be sure on what happened.

you claim to be immune to kills yes? thats one option..

and at this point who ever got protected from mafia could have been converted yes?.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby StorrZerg on Sat May 03, 2014 2:38 pm

is it likely when converted to a cult you lose your powers if you had any?
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby spiesr on Sat May 03, 2014 4:02 pm

StorrZerg wrote:jak is weird. i think we should be calling for his shot and voting on it. it would be great for more people to talk about this.
Right now my list of two people to get rid of (lynch & vig) would include Jak.

Anyhow, at this point we clearly need the massclaim to continue going forward, so just claim already Storr.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby StorrZerg on Sat May 03, 2014 7:02 pm

so frustrating to play like this.

no explanation as to WHY we need the last 2 claims today.

considering it doesn't matter if cult has members, we need to hit correctly...
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby StorrZerg on Sat May 03, 2014 7:29 pm

screw it... Nothing is getting done, i can't push my opinions because of crap people wanting claim. So here you have it, happy? can we actually get onto something important now? Like figuring out who the possible cult leader is...

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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby jak111 on Sat May 03, 2014 8:10 pm

Are you shot? If not, I can test that claim easily tonight.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby MudPuppy on Sun May 04, 2014 1:18 am

I'm not sure I'm buying the bulletproof claim... and I'm not so sure I'm buying Jak's offer to test it. They are both unknowns in my book and could very well be working together. With nobody but jak shooting at night (or at least nobody else is killing) then the claim basically makes Storr a VT. I'd prefer to test the claim out in the open with a noose rather than rely on jak's word.

Still, there are other options on the table. The only folks I'm putting my faith in atm, rightly or wrongly, are spiesr & pcm. I don't fully trust jak but I want to give him 1 more day to prove himself. kgb's claim is unverifiable and he was the first to vote Storr today. jmac followed after my fake check on Storr and hasn't yet backed off (jmac also voted Storr on D3). Nobody is standing out as super-scummy to me but I feel that jmac is a very solid bet. Going back to the RD vote, we had two confirmed scum (IB & sausage) on her; two confirmed town (jonty & pancake - based on my N1 investigation, but noting Godfather is still possible); jak (claimed vampire slayer); and jmac (claimed VT).

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