Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[Iron Butterfly]

I'll write this off as a true newbie mistake.. Do you really think EVERYONE in your city is town? This is not anything new as I am guessing we're all in a city of one or another. Do everyone a favour, do not believe everyone in your city is town. Most likely each city contains 1-2 mafia and 1-2 third party. So what you share there is NOT private.

Again, I'll write off your trusting them as a newbie mistake.

Further down, you do not need to tunnel one person, just mention that they are active. Simple enough (I see HotShot posted a bit after this btw, so my check is clear for now).

Haha, I'm not even remotely a newbie, but thanks.
I do not think everyone in my city is town, and I pointed out in one of my posts the exact same thing. So no, not trusting them, and definitely not a newbie mistake.

My point was, that mafia already have more information than town. They know who town are and who mafia are, while us town players know only ourselves, like whether we are VT or a role, or so on. Coming out and talking about cities I believe gives mafia more information to use against the town. That is why I was wary of talking about cities. Not because I think that all the people in a city is town (though I wouldn't put it past Storr totally mindfucking everyone like that), but because I didn't want to give mafia more information than they already have. They could not have known about the locations. That was my point.

But anyway, I like the activity and questioning so far of people in this game. I am highly impressed.

Question: Someone fosed betiko. Why?

This is the type of post that always sets me off.

First mafia does have the given advantage of knowing who each other are. that does not mean they know who anyone else is as I guarantee that this game is not strictly mafia vs Town.

You are definitely not a newbie? Then why are you making statements that you are Town? Sure sure its a technicality. You may know your Town but no one else does. Your whole presentation of "you are Town" using "us" and" we" rubs me wrong.

To me that's a red flag of someone trying hard to say they are one of the good guys.

So you are claiming a 3p role, then?

Should we go ahead and kill you to get you out of the way?

That's my entire point of that post. I know I'm town, no one else does.

Mafia has more information than I. I was just merely explaining why I thought talking about the cities was a bad idea.

But by all means, if you want to talk about your city, go ahead. While you are at it, tell me who are all in your city, and lets start lynching them off one by one. Bound to get a mafia somewhere in there.

Vote 27 ninjabunnies

Don't even think of putting words in my mouth.

[firth4eva]

I agree with Iron Butterfly's judgement, but not enough to change my vote, betiko is still our best chance of the day

fos 27ninja

[jak111]

So you are claiming a 3p role, then?

Should we go ahead and kill you to get you out of the way?

That's my entire point of that post. I know I'm town, no one else does.

Mafia has more information than I. I was just merely explaining why I thought talking about the cities was a bad idea.

But by all means, if you want to talk about your city, go ahead. While you are at it, tell me who are all in your city, and lets start lynching them off one by one. Bound to get a mafia somewhere in there.

You might claim you're not new Bunny, but on the forums you are (especially here). RT mafia does little for experience when every post isn't picked apart by every single person playing and people are spamming up the thread so quickly that people can't read, here we have such a long time to read that everything you say will be picked apart.

show: Theory

Sorry, went off on some math and made a theory about the numbers. Although if I am correct, the likely-hood of us mislynching today is only 7/12. Leaving a giant 5/12 chance of us hitting Mafia/3rd Party.

So for that reason and for the fact something about Bunny's tone with IB just doesn't sit well with me, Vote Bunnies. (Will put official vote in vote thread, but like I said earlier. I will do this to line up my votes for people better).

[firth4eva]

"Just doesn't sit well with me" does not justify a vote, but it does justify a BANDWAGON


HOS jak111

[Army of GOD]

Yeah now that I realized betiko can know which characters I do and don't like, I'm pretty suspicious of him too

[strike wolf]

Charm posted a few times earlier today.

1. MudPuppy>Jmac
2. Jmac1026>Pancake
3. pancakemix>Neb
4. Nebuchadnezer>Jak
5. Jak111>Hotshot
6. HotShot53>Crasp
7. Crasp>Strike
8. Strike Wolf>Charm
9. charm>Zivel
10. Zivel>Iron Butterfly
11. Iron Butterfly>Jonty
12. Jonty125>Army of God
13. Army of God >KGB
14. kgb007>Epitaph
15. Epitaph1>Jwiedlin
16. jwiedlin >Legion
17. legionnare>Pretender
18. pretender77 >Pershy
19. pershy>Tamburini
20. Mtamburini>Firth
21. firth4eva>Boone
22. boonetown>Betiko
23. betiko>27ninjas
24. 27ninjabunnies >Mudpuppy

So yeah. I am not sure on the bunny case. It could be mafia but I don't see anything in it as definitive as the role fishing case on Betiko right now.

Honestly I looked back for the first time Betiko had role fished and I remember reading that post but somehow it didn't really get my attention until the second time he said it. Once role fishing is bad by itself. Twice role fishing is vote worthy especially on day 1.

[strike wolf]

Err sorry. It slipped my mind that blue is supposed to be reserved for the mod.

1. MudPuppy>Jmac
2. Jmac1026>Pancake
3. pancakemix>Neb
4. Nebuchadnezer>Jak
5. Jak111>Hotshot
6. HotShot53>Crasp
7. Crasp>Strike
8. Strike Wolf>Charm
9. charm>Zivel
10. Zivel>Iron Butterfly
11. Iron Butterfly>Jonty
12. Jonty125>Army of God
13. Army of God >KGB
14. kgb007>Epitaph
15. Epitaph1>Jwiedlin
16. jwiedlin >Legion
17. legionnare>Pretender
18. pretender77 >Pershy
19. pershy>Tamburini
20. Mtamburini>Firth
21. firth4eva>Boone
22. boonetown>Betiko
23. betiko>27ninjas
24. 27ninjabunnies >Mudpuppy

[27ninjabunnies]

Haha, I absolutely love this.

IB case on me is actually bad. Sarcasm people. And I wasn't waving around the fact I am town. My job, while is to portray town, is to find scum, and Ive actually gotten a few fos from it.

IB is town.
Firth neutral.

As for mafia- i like the case on betiko. And im still waiting on a response from him.

Also, 72 hours is short?! We do 48 hour days on TL. 72 hours feels like an eternity for me!

[Army of GOD]

Alright, I voted betiko. Just reading his posts again, its pretty weird how he really wants to know if I like my character.

[charm]

Does anyone have a good method for managing all the communication coming in? I started to print out some key pages, but I still have to dissect, digest, and spit some thoughts out. I don't want to be called out as skimming but I had totally missed the other thread.

Some thoughts I have about this game in particular:
1. Do we think that the abilities that the different GoT players have in the series are the power roles here?
For instance, if we figured out that Zivel likes to drink lots of wine, is short, and horny - does that mean that he is the dwarf?
Does that give us any thought to him being mafia?

I just finished Season 2 and waiting for Season 3 to arrive! Cant wait to see if the dragons have grown up! Hey who has the special fire breathing dragons as a weapon of choice???

[charm]

Hi GOT Mafia Friends!
MY city is Cocoa Beach!! I guess that wasn't what you meant!
Since the 1st page said "All men must die," I would like to suggest all the ladies unite and kill the men!! I've caught at least 4 of us gals so far! Just a thought if a secret alliance needs to form, girls usually can keep secrets or at least use them to their advantage.

Okay, I was just kidding about all the above...well except for living in Cocoa Beach.

Top Town<3

Me, You, Boone, and who else?

Girls unite! Cause we the best!

Isn't pancakemix also female?

[strike wolf]

Don't think so. Unless he's been hiding a secret from us.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Does anyone have a good method for managing all the communication coming in? I started to print out some key pages, but I still have to dissect, digest, and spit some thoughts out. I don't want to be called out as skimming but I had totally missed the other thread.

Some thoughts I have about this game in particular:
1. Do we think that the abilities that the different GoT players have in the series are the power roles here?
For instance, if we figured out that Zivel likes to drink lots of wine, is short, and horny - does that mean that he is the dwarf?
Does that give us any thought to him being mafia?

I just finished Season 2 and waiting for Season 3 to arrive! Cant wait to see if the dragons have grown up! Hey who has the special fire breathing dragons as a weapon of choice???

It was stated earlier by someone (I didn't fact check it) that Storrzerg was assigning roles with no relation to character name. If that's true, then Tyrion may not necessarily be mafia...in fact, based on the books, he wouldn't likely be mafia anyway. Unless mafia was the Lannister family only. I'm sure there is some reasonable tie between character names and their abilities, but it's hard to say until we see some flips.

I don't quite get the relationship with Betiko and Army of God, but Betiko did blatantly push twice on the character question. I think he may just be trying to get Army to post more than his one liners, but it's an odd way to push for more posts. However, Army then posts this:

Yeah now that I realized betiko can know which characters I do and don't like, I'm pretty suspicious of him too

So, they must be friends enough to know things about each other...which really makes Betiko stick out then. Days are short. This is the best we have. In my mind it's either Betiko, or an inactive like Jonty. I just don't see how Storrzerg will handle replacements in a game that is as fast-paced as this, and with two forums to follow. But, I'll give Jonty some time yet to check in...and vote Betiko at this point.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Hi GOT Mafia Friends!
MY city is Cocoa Beach!! I guess that wasn't what you meant!
Since the 1st page said "All men must die," I would like to suggest all the ladies unite and kill the men!! I've caught at least 4 of us gals so far! Just a thought if a secret alliance needs to form, girls usually can keep secrets or at least use them to their advantage.

Okay, I was just kidding about all the above...well except for living in Cocoa Beach.

Top Town<3

Me, You, Boone, and who else?

Girls unite! Cause we the best!

Isn't pancakemix also female?

Double post...I played as Pancakemix in CYOC II...his picture is definitely male.

[27ninjabunnies]

So you are claiming a 3p role, then?

Should we go ahead and kill you to get you out of the way?

That's my entire point of that post. I know I'm town, no one else does.

Mafia has more information than I. I was just merely explaining why I thought talking about the cities was a bad idea.

But by all means, if you want to talk about your city, go ahead. While you are at it, tell me who are all in your city, and lets start lynching them off one by one. Bound to get a mafia somewhere in there.

You might claim you're not new Bunny, but on the forums you are (especially here). RT mafia does little for experience when every post isn't picked apart by every single person playing and people are spamming up the thread so quickly that people can't read, here we have such a long time to read that everything you say will be picked apart.

show: Theory

Sorry, went off on some math and made a theory about the numbers. Although if I am correct, the likely-hood of us mislynching today is only 7/12. Leaving a giant 5/12 chance of us hitting Mafia/3rd Party.

So for that reason and for the fact something about Bunny's tone with IB just doesn't sit well with me, Vote Bunnies. (Will put official vote in vote thread, but like I said earlier. I will do this to line up my votes for people better).

I don't play RT mafia. I only play forums, video, and epicmafia. So Yeah, I'm NEW in this forum. But not elsewhere to the game of mafia.

Also, I can tell people here are way more serious than what I am used to. Look like I can't be my usual sarcastic trolly self. And that's fine.

Confirm to the masses!

So sorry if I stepped on any toes.

What do you thing of the betiko wagon?

[27ninjabunnies]

That was supposed to say Conform, not confirm!

[kgb007]

It's already been addressed by others but I have a problem with this post..comments in orangish

I'll write this off as a true newbie mistake.. Do you really think EVERYONE in your city is town? This is not anything new as I am guessing we're all in a city of one or another. Do everyone a favour, do not believe everyone in your city is town. Most likely each city contains 1-2 mafia and 1-2 third party. So what you share there is NOT private.

Again, I'll write off your trusting them as a newbie mistake.

Further down, you do not need to tunnel one person, just mention that they are active. Simple enough (I see HotShot posted a bit after this btw, so my check is clear for now).

Haha, I'm not even remotely a newbie, but thanks.
I do not think everyone in my city is town, and I pointed out in one of my posts the exact same thing. So no, not trusting them, and definitely not a newbie mistake.

My point was, that mafia already have more information than town. They know who town are and who mafia are, while us town players know only ourselves, like whether we are VT or a role, or so on. Sorry but this isn't worth the key strokes. Of course mafia know who's in their group and who's not. That's part of the reason why they're in the minority or else it wouldn't be in a fair fight. You're not presenting any original ideas here. Coming out and talking about cities I believe gives mafia more information to use against the town. Such as? What information are you referring to? I got nothing but a quicktopic to my town That is why I was wary of talking about cities. Not because I think that all the people in a city is town Which is it? First you say you don't think everyone in your city is town (earlier in the very same post!) then this statement (though I wouldn't put it past Storr totally mindfucking everyone like that), but because I didn't want to give mafia more information than they already have. They could not have known about the locations. That was my point. Talking about cities? What do you know about your location that's so special? What's really been said other than their existence? I have 6 people in my city. There I said it. I don't want to assume anything but 24 players, 4 cities, you do the math.

But anyway, I like the activity and questioning so far of people in this game. I am highly impressed.

Question: Someone fosed betiko. Why?

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[27ninjabunnies]

Wow, you guys take the mystery out of a closed setup.

Too serious for me.

Okay, let me try and explain ONE MORE TIME, then I'm dropping the conversation, because apparently everythiing I say gets torn apart.

Seriously people, stop trying to make yourself seem badass and actually read what I am saying. K, thanks.

So we all got a qt. But the point is, what if only the 6 people in that certain qt got a qt? And the rest were not in the QT but on their own. He just outed information. What if mafia's win condition was to eliminate all of the town in a certain city?

So I basically said let's NOT talk about cities and who's in them because that is giving information to the mafia. For all we know, all the mafia could be in one city, and the rest of the town in others. WE DONT KNOW. I said it was a possibility everyone in a city is town, not that they are, but it's a possibility.

I like thinking in theories, possibilities, and outside of just plain old reads. I like making connections between people and the things they say. So me stating that information and having people comment on it is giving me reads. You may not like how I play, or the questions I am asking, or the information I am giving, but that's how I play.

And I like being sarcastic. And interacting with others, and getting others opinions. Doesnt make me mafia.

[HotShot53]

I'm going to put a small fos on hotshot and pretender for dismissing bentiko's clear rolefishing, and i'm going to vote bentiko (don't worry i'll do it in the official thread), as he seems our best lead atm

I didn't dismiss his rolefishing, I said that he clearly was rolefishing, I just hadn't been aware that was a scum sign.

So betiko, what do you have to say for yourself? With the short day you should consider claiming now, or else you will be lynched by the looks of things. I will hold off voting until we hear what betiko has to say, or until it gets close to the deadline and I'm forced to vote.

[Zivel]

Wow, you guys take the mystery out of a closed setup.

Too serious for me.

Okay, let me try and explain ONE MORE TIME, then I'm dropping the conversation, because apparently everythiing I say gets torn apart.

Seriously people, stop trying to make yourself seem badass and actually read what I am saying. K, thanks.

So we all got a qt. But the point is, what if only the 6 people in that certain qt got a qt? And the rest were not in the QT but on their own. He just outed information. What if mafia's win condition was to eliminate all of the town in a certain city?

So I basically said let's NOT talk about cities and who's in them because that is giving information to the mafia. For all we know, all the mafia could be in one city, and the rest of the town in others. WE DONT KNOW. I said it was a possibility everyone in a city is town, not that they are, but it's a possibility.

I like thinking in theories, possibilities, and outside of just plain old reads. I like making connections between people and the things they say. So me stating that information and having people comment on it is giving me reads. You may not like how I play, or the questions I am asking, or the information I am giving, but that's how I play.

And I like being sarcastic. And interacting with others, and getting others opinions. Doesnt make me mafia.

Bunnies is town.

Talking semantics (in this case the cities) about a game is a great scum move, you are posting but the amount of scum hunting involved is nill. All you are doing is promoting town to disclose their information, the little information they have. Unless you can force more interesting discussions from it. In this case Jak111 blurted out about the towns and Bunnies called him up on it. From there Jak111 has OMGUS voted her (surprise sur... fucking...prise) and kgb has got on this band wagon.

What if one of the people were not in a town and were third party cause of it, they were forced to claim and now they know they have to make up a reason they are not in a town. If it was not brought up then they would not of had this information and their claim would of seemed fake.

this here is a crap post:

It's already been addressed by others but I have a problem with this post..comments in orangish

I'll write this off as a true newbie mistake.. Do you really think EVERYONE in your city is town? This is not anything new as I am guessing we're all in a city of one or another. Do everyone a favour, do not believe everyone in your city is town. Most likely each city contains 1-2 mafia and 1-2 third party. So what you share there is NOT private.

Again, I'll write off your trusting them as a newbie mistake.

Further down, you do not need to tunnel one person, just mention that they are active. Simple enough (I see HotShot posted a bit after this btw, so my check is clear for now).

Haha, I'm not even remotely a newbie, but thanks.
I do not think everyone in my city is town, and I pointed out in one of my posts the exact same thing. So no, not trusting them, and definitely not a newbie mistake.

My point was, that mafia already have more information than town. They know who town are and who mafia are, while us town players know only ourselves, like whether we are VT or a role, or so on. Sorry but this isn't worth the key strokes. Of course mafia know who's in their group and who's not. That's part of the reason why they're in the minority or else it wouldn't be in a fair fight. You're not presenting any original ideas here. Coming out and talking about cities I believe gives mafia more information to use against the town. Such as? What information are you referring to? I got nothing but a quicktopic to my town That is why I was wary of talking about cities. Not because I think that all the people in a city is town Which is it? First you say you don't think everyone in your city is town (earlier in the very same post!) then this statement (though I wouldn't put it past Storr totally mindfucking everyone like that), but because I didn't want to give mafia more information than they already have. They could not have known about the locations. That was my point. Talking about cities? What do you know about your location that's so special? What's really been said other than their existence? I have 6 people in my city. There I said it. I don't want to assume anything but 24 players, 4 cities, you do the math.

But anyway, I like the activity and questioning so far of people in this game. I am highly impressed.

Question: Someone fosed betiko. Why?

So now anti town have more information, and why? Cause you are trying to prove a point that does not make sense.

Take the mafia out of it for a min and think about third parties. What about if one person had to recruit a person in each town to win? What about if one person had to kill everyone in a town? You dont know these things, they do, but now you have given them more information than they may of had. Yes it is a bit of a long shot, but give me one way in which it helps town to know these things and I will happily reconsider my slant.

Someone FOS Betiko cause:

I've played over a dozen games on this site in the last 3 years or so, I know almost everybody.
I am a big fan of the show but never read the books.

I know AOG pretty well from the off topics and it s the first time I ever see him play mafia.
So AOG, do you know what you are doing or did you just sign up because it was game of thrones? Are you happy with the character you got or is it a crappy one?

and:

wow there are actually lots of new faces in here....

ninja bunny is staying quite active regarding strike's list.

AOG, i don't like how you answer one liners each time. Do you like the character you've been chosen? how would you define your game style in mafia since I didn't even know you played it?

Seem scummy, like he has seen what he perceives as a weaker player and has tried to get him to disclose information about his character. I have not voted, but I will before deadline if I do not hear from Betiko beforehand.

[jak111]

Don't think so. Unless he's been hiding a secret from us.

IT'S A TRAP! (Sorry, couldn't resist!)

Personally I think Tyrion is more pro-town than most of the people in the movie (aside from a few killed off characters). He's a good hearted guy! But who knows how Storr is playing him in this.

Also Bunnies... Epic Mafia IS RT mafia (RT = Real Time) I play on there as well, it's fun, learning some new roles to mix into my games >:D but it is definitely RT mafia.

I think the case on Betiko is a bit bogus, I mean, my case on you is complete bogus, it's D1, all cases are bogus and just gut feelings. Right now I'm coining between whether we should go for a lynch and see if we can flip a baddie early on or if we should go into the night and see who comes out tomorrow and see if we caught anyone in the night with actions.

If you think we've taken the mystery out, please, tell us which characters are in it, what their roles are and how many are against us? Right now we're trying to get information for the rest of town to work with. If Mafia can communicate like we can in the cities then by now they probably have all the info about each city ready to tell each other any specials or anything people are hinting at toward them being a good PR.

The hidden information is more useful to town so we're not more in the complete dark as the mafia know everything, they probably know who's in each city, if there's anything special in the city, if the "Iron Throne" is in which city. Meanwhile we're in the dark wondering what it all means. So getting some useful info out on the table D1 about the mechanics will help us go into N1 prepared.

I am not asking anyone out their city, but rather if their city has anything special about it or a clue as to what they mean for us.

For now, my vote stays, HotShot has been active.

FP'd twice.

Zivel, do we really need to have the conversation again on the misuse of OMGUS? If you said Bandwagon at least you'd have a word you could use properly. Bunnies didn't FOS me or vote me. Just chatter. I voted her because I find her tone towards IB a little suspicious with her reply to him.

But misusing the term OMGUS is nothing compared to what you brought up in the following posting. Anti-town are IN our cities. Mafia are IN our cities. Right now denying the town the right to ask questions about the cities is denying information that might be critical to a town role out there. Your "recruit one from each town" theory, even if that were true, I have not asked people which towns they were in. Just if the town they're in has anything special about it.

Heck, if we didn't start questioning the city mechanic we would still be in the dark about mafia and anti-town 3rd parties being in our cities.

[MudPuppy]

I thought Strike's list worked pretty well in CYOC mafia. jmac, my watch, just has his hello post in so far.

ninja has definitely raised some flags (perhaps overreacting to Jak's city post; not down with SW's watch list; sarcastic post @ IB; asking betiko why he thinks AoG even has a character??? --- aren't we all characters???) but sarcasm can easily get misinterpreted in a forum and I love her activity... I think the suspicion of her may be due more to being unfamiliar with her play style than actual scumminess... maybe.

betiko was definitely fishing there (twice) and that does seem a tad scummy... definitely fos worthy.

For now, I'm gonna stick with voting the inactives in hopes that they'll become less so: Top candidates are:
jonty with no posts... but he hasn't been logged in to CC since about 15 minutes before the day started on Wednesday... so, I'll give him a break.
boonetown with 1
jmac with 1
jwielin wih 1
mtamburini with 2... no substance
MudPuppy with 2... little substance
pershy with 1

So, I'll vote mtamburini to start since he's been on but hasn't yet said anything.

[27ninjabunnies]

So with SW list, I don't like it because you are basically accountable for another person. I don't want to have to worry about watching to see this one person post, especially in a game this big. I want to be able to focus on my reads on other people and to look at their interactions. If mafia want to lurk, by all means, go ahead. Better way to modkill you with.

Also, the point of my post to Betiko is not whether or not AoG has a character, but why he is so concerned with AoG's character. Tbh, do we all have characters? Idk. Could there possibly be just vanilla towns without a character name everywhere? More than likely. It makes no sense to make all people characters. Mafia would just be hitting power roles left and right. So the fact that Betiko wants to know if AoG is a character and not vanilla town, eh, seems a bit scummy. Sounds like role hunting to me. Hence my questioning to him.

Also, Zivel, much love to you my friend.

[Army of GOD]

I have to say, having the votes in a separate thread will make it hard to keep track of everything.

I know its unofficial, but if people could put their votes in this thread too it'll help.

[pancakemix]

I agree with Iron Butterfly's judgement, but not enough to change my vote, betiko is still our best chance of the day

fos 27ninja

Suddenly, sheeping! IB's "judgement" is a kneejerk reaction to something he didn't like. Is that really FOSworthy?

You might claim you're not new Bunny, but on the forums you are (especially here). RT mafia does little for experience when every post isn't picked apart by every single person playing and people are spamming up the thread so quickly that people can't read, here we have such a long time to read that everything you say will be picked apart.

That's bull and you know it. Stop playing the "high and mighty" card and give credit where it's due.

This is the problem with this forum (hell, it's BEEN the problem here for way too long), that we don't welcome new blood. Everyone who tries to play here and gets burned says it. I do my best to be respectful of people, especially if they claim to have experience from elsewhere. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who does that, in no small part thanks (or no thanks) to cases like the one you're making right now. Truly, this is what gets me more aggravated than anything. You stand there and try to "show someone the ropes" when a lot of times your play is erratic or just bad (sorry, that's a touch personal, but I need only point to recent history to vindicate myself here).

So you get my suspicion for 1. pretentious tone and manner (and hypocrisy, I might add, what with you citing "tone" as your reasoning and yours was boorish) and 2. chasing the easy lynch. To that second point, as I already said IB's case is nada. It just means there are votes there, and you can follow that, especially since it's D1 and few votes are even going to be cast. So then, jump on the first sign of a case developing. It's simple, yet effective and also pretty sneaky. FOS Jak

It's 3AM, I'm drunk, I just ate 5 tacos and I'm talking myself out of voting jak (mostly because I don't need a Village of Secrets repeat, thank you kindly) if that helps explain any of the above.

Isn't pancakemix also female?

Nope! Though my avvy is female for a particular reason. If you can guess who it is and why, it's bonus points.

Double post...I played as Pancakemix in CYOC II...his picture is definitely male.

How could you tell under that wig?

I think the case on Betiko is a bit bogus, I mean, my case on you is complete bogus, it's D1, all cases are bogus and just gut feelings. Right now I'm coining between whether we should go for a lynch and see if we can flip a baddie early on or if we should go into the night and see who comes out tomorrow and see if we caught anyone in the night with actions.

At least you admitted it. Betiko case definitely has more meat on it than yours though.

Zivel, do we really need to have the conversation again on the misuse of OMGUS? If you said Bandwagon at least you'd have a word you could use properly. Bunnies didn't FOS me or vote me. Just chatter. I voted her because I find her tone towards IB a little suspicious with her reply to him.

Well, technically speaking, OMGUS stands for Oh My God, You Suck and that was pretty much the connotation of your post, so at least in that sense it is a correct usage.

But misusing the term OMGUS is nothing compared to what you brought up in the following posting. Anti-town are IN our cities. Mafia are IN our cities. Right now denying the town the right to ask questions about the cities is denying information that might be critical to a town role out there. Your "recruit one from each town" theory, even if that were true, I have not asked people which towns they were in. Just if the town they're in has anything special about it.

He's not denying you the right to talk about anything. He's just saying it's a scummy move, and to some extent he's right. There's actual debate being made about a case and you'd rather leave your vote on self-acknowledged bull and talk about the alignment of ONE CHARACTER. You're dicking around, and this game has short days. We don't have time for this type of discussion, and I think you're aware of that fact.

Mmm... I talked myself back into it. ##Vote Jak. I don't really want to, but things are mounting up and I can't let that go, especially not this early

Also, voting thread blows.